Marriott Destination Points...They have done it!!!!!! {Merged}

[caterina25]

David or anyone else, can you find the link for point costs for the other collections?

I went on the MVC site and asked the online assistant

 

[pwrshift]

Happy Father's Day

You guys have been busy since midnight! I haven't had a chance to read all the previous posts, so sorry if this has been mentioned before. Also haven't read all the Marriott documentation, so I'm flying a little bit blind (it's Father's Day, what can I say).

Make a copy of your home resort(s) calendar on your owners page - while it is still there.

Compare your resort calendar to what Marriott is doing with this new plan of 'dates'.

For example, at BeachPlace Towers, the calendar shows Platinum floating weeks as 1-17, 22-34, and 51-52. That includes President's Week, March Break, Christmas and other prime times.

On the new program if you want to exchange into BeachPlace for a 2 bdrm President's Week it's 4,675 points ... yet other 'lower level' weeks in the former Platinum season are as low as 2,400 points. Marriott has decided the President's week is 94.79% more valuable than some other weeks in the old Platinum season! And this is for a week Marriott owners only get 3,225 points.

In other words, they've snuck in a new value system on weeks that were deeded as 'equal'.

We all need to read the fine print very closely before making a decision.

The only trading I do, really, is through II to upgrade from a studio to 1 or 2 bdrm and usually within the resorts I own. Joining the new system looks, at first blush, that this idea goes out the window.

Example 1, I split my two BeachPlace weeks into Studio, 1 Bdrm, 1 Bdrm, Studio from Presidents Day week for 4 weeks in a row. Then I immediately ask II to find me a 1 or 2 bdrm for the weeks I've got studios booked directly. For 2011 they came through with 2 bdrm suites for my first and fourth weeks - netting me out with 3 bdrms for those weeks (which I'll either deposit or rent my studios as I don't need that much space).

Example 2, I've also played the game of splitting my Manor Club Sequel MSE (lockoffs) into two parts and trade them back into original Manor Club MMC (non-lockoffs) for two bdrm suites -- never ever missed that and already got it for 2011. Looks like it won't be possible with the new plan if I join it.

Happy Father's Day

Brian

Also ... it appears if you own 3 weeks bought direct and 1 week resale, you may want to keep your resale week from Marriott due to the much higher price to put that week in the new program.

Also Also ... has anyone seen a 'valuation' on a resale week bought after June 20? Apparently resale weeks bought before this date can join the program for a higher fee than direct purchases, but what about a week you buy today on Ebay?

Also Also Also ... If you want to book 13 months ahead you have to use 2 of your weeks to get it. The new program requirement seems to be so high it will require more than 2 weeks to get that benefit.

The beat goes on...

 

[David10225]

https://www.my-vacationclub.com/en-us/owners/2_resortCalendars.jsp

to find out how many points to reserve at other resorts in 2010, 11 and 12

 

[hipslo]

IMO - those high demand weeks will now go exclusively to the PremierPlus Points people who have over 12000 points and can get anything they want in any number of days at 13 months out if it's available and can also put a request in for same. Therefore, they will always be first in the system for prime or any other weeks.

Not only that, but points inventory is apparently released on Tuesdays, according to the new webiste, whereas weeks inventory is released on thurs or fri (first check in date), so points owners appear to get a jump on even multiple week owners reserving at 13 months out.

 

[wsrobinson]

Also Also ... has anyone seen a 'valuation' on a resale week bought after June 20? Apparently resale weeks bought before this date can join the program for a higher fee than direct purchases, but what about a week you buy today on Ebay?

I bought a BB Silver Oceanside week last night on eBay for $1.25 (One dollar no misplaced decimal point). Can't get much lower than that!!

 

[ondeadlin]

What's interesting is that I don't think it matters to them one bit if current owners join. Why? Well ... First, if that current owner wants to trade, Marriott gets first dibs on that week anyway through II. Second, if the current owner has a weak week, they probably don't have much interest in it anyway.

They may actually view current owners as little more than a constituency that had to be accommodated so they can hopefully sell them more points, and otherwise incidental to the new system.

I have to grudgingly admit they've done a brilliant job of pushing back against those are are skilled in manipulating the current system.

 

[qlaval]

Points value for an ARUBA OCEAN CLUB Platinum 1 bedroom OV: 2,900pts...

 

[hipslo]

Just noticed a provision in the legal docs for the new program that are available on the new website that says that point levels needed to be premiere and premiere plus are subject to change and that status is not guaranteed after first year.

 

[MRMarriott]

Point Discrepancy Concerns

I wonder if someone could answer a question for me.

There seems to be a lot of concern about how much the week is worth and how much it will be to go to your home club.

For example, my MountainSide week is 5,350 Plat but ranges from 4,450 to 6,900 in season...

Still, I think we have to think about electing points as an enhancement. Points aren't for owners who just go to their home club every year - it's for owners who want to go for a few nights here and there or try the new Explorer program or want to pay less fees.

If you do want to go to your home club, owners have the best of both worlds. I can book the week the way I always have in the home club week pool - a pool that is separate from points exchangers.

So... I'm getting 7 nights as a home club owner for less than someone trying to get the same week using points. And, if I do want to try other clubs or go for a couple of nights to Vegas or something like that, that's a new option which I never had before.

I think it makes sense to see how many points you get and how many points your week is worth, but you would never use points to get 7 days back at your home resort. That's just not what they're for...

 

[Pro]

I went to church this morning and there were 6 pages in this thread. I came home from church and there were 12 pages.

Joe

 

[tahoeJoe]

Points are Not always a good systems

On the new program if you want to exchange into BeachPlace for a 2 bdrm President's Week it's 4,675 points ... yet other 'lower level' weeks in the former Platinum season are as low as 2,400 points. Marriott has decided the President's week is 94.79% more valuable than some other weeks in the old Platinum season! And this is for a week Marriott owners only get 3,225 points.

In other words, they've snuck in a new value system on weeks that were deeded as 'equal'.

We all need to read the fine print very closely before making a decision.

The only trading I do, really, is through II to upgrade from a studio to 1 or 2 bdrm and usually within the resorts I own. Joining the new system looks, at first blush, that this idea goes out the window.

You are exactly right. The point system appears to only benefit Marriott and harms most existing owners.

In addition to Marriott, i also own Hilton and Hyatt (both point based systems). Points do offer SOME flexibility but at a huge cost. For every Marriott owner who has traded a studio for a one bedroom, a one bedroom for a 2 bedroom, or a gold week for platinum week, THAT IS NOW GONE IN THE NEW SYSTEM. You only get what you paid for and in many cases not even that.

IMHO, I don't this new system is a good deal for 75% of the existing owners. I think Marriott will create a lot of unhappy owners.

-TJ

 

[floyddl]

I wonder if someone could answer a question for me.

There seems to be a lot of concern about how much the week is worth and how much it will be to go to your home club.

For example, my MountainSide week is 5,350 Plat but ranges from 4,450 to 6,900 in season...

Still, I think we have to think about electing points as an enhancement. Points aren't for owners who just go to their home club every year - it's for owners who want to go for a few nights here and there or try the new Explorer program or want to pay less fees.

If you do want to go to your home club, owners have the best of both worlds. I can book the week the way I always have in the home club week pool - a pool that is separate from points exchangers.

So... I'm getting 7 nights as a home club owner for less than someone trying to get the same week using points. And, if I do want to try other clubs or go for a couple of nights to Vegas or something like that, that's a new option which I never had before.

I think it makes sense to see how many points you get and how many points your week is worth, but you would never use points to get 7 days back at your home resort. That's just not what they're for...

A well designed program would give owners an opportunity to go to their owned property if they so desire but to trade into other properties after the owners of each property have had an opportunity to reserve their weeks. IMO, this is not a well designed program.

 

[Numismatist]

My Frenchman's Cove shows 2,775 points and appears to allow me to enroll?

 

[hipslo]

If you want to book 13 months ahead you have to use 2 of your weeks to get it. The new program requirement seems to be so high it will require more than 2 weeks to get that benefit.

that depends where you own. its no longer a question of how many weeks you own, its now a question of how many points you have.

on the flip side, seems like no "concurrent or consecutive" requirement in the new system , so long as you own enough points.

however, if the goal is to use points to reserve prime weeks at home resort, that will not work well in most cases since cost in points to stay at home resort during prime week exceeds points granted for owned week. in my case, I own 4 weeks at mountainside and 1 week at fairway villas. under the current point chart, points generated by all 5 of my weeks get me only 3 weeks and a couple of days at mountainside, no thanks!

using weeks at 13 months, outside of points, to book home resort may be negatively impacted as well, depending on how inventory is allocated, as Premiere plus owners appear to get a jump on multiple week owners under 13 month booking window (even for fri, sat or sun check in days - to sday nothing of the ability of premiere plus owners to add a couple of days in front and check in on wed or thurs and get a jump that way). havent seen anything at all that would give guidance on the inventory allocation question.

looks like worst of all worlds for those of us who own multiple platinum weeks at home resort for personal use - so the age old advice, buy where you want to vacation - seems perhaps potentially to fail here - whether purchased developer or resale.

time will tell.

 

[natstr]

Quick check of my Desert Springs I red week 2 bedroom Villa -- = 3,200 points essentially.

But when I look to see what it would take to book a prime week at the same resort from late January to April -- it would take 4,200 points.

So while I like the flexibility of using my time by night, doesn't seem like a fair trade to start off.

Am I reading this right?

Paul

 

[Aviator621]

For every Marriott owner who has traded a studio for a one bedroom, a one bedroom for a 2 bedroom, or a gold week for platinum week, THAT IS NOW GONE IN THE NEW SYSTEM. You only get what you paid for and in many cases not even that.

IMHO, I don't this new system is a good deal for 75% of the existing owners. I think Marriott will create a lot of unhappy owners.

-TJ

Just an observation--for every TUGer that has traded 'up' means out there was an owner willing to trade down--2 for 1; 1 for studio. I suspect there will be owners out there who look at this and say "Last year I gave up my 2 bedroom for a one to get the dates I wanted and was left with nothing, but I can now make the same trade and have points left over for next year? Sign me up!" Most didn't take the time to learn the system before, or have the patience to wait for a trade; to them this will be an easy up-sale.

 

[KathyPet]

Expect to close on our St.Kitts week purchased through a private 3rd party soon. We received closing docs Friday and have to sign and return with a check. This week will never be eligible for the new program. We will get 3325 pts for our Grand Ocean gold week and 2375 for our Manor Club platinum. I really don't see why this is so great except that you can tailor your vacation to be a little more individual. If you only want to stay at a Marriott for three nights you can do that. I need to check out the options to use the points for other things but those links are not working right now. According to the MVCI rep I spoke to they are hoping to have them up tomorrow

 

[OWMBGV]

I have been following the "parent" and now this one since I am the owner of GV silver week (1,225 points) at Ocean Watch and aside from the fee to convert, this system may/potentially work for me - I think - got to weed through the details. In our case, we drive from NJ (during teachers week - late Oct/Nov in NJ -now spring break has opened up for us) and typically arrive late Sat - too late for the kids to enjoy anyway. To get a beat on traffic and for the kids to get back to school we leave Friday. Now we will just check into a Residence Inn (using free nights from the marriott visa) for the Sat night and then Ocean Watch on Sunday with same Fri check out - doing this will save me 500 points per year, which in a few years comes in handy. I haven't thought this through fully yet, but I think in conjunction with the Marriott Rewards program, I can maximize my limited points (if I convert). One of the reasons we havent done St. Kitts is that I just cant imagine being there 7 nights - 5 would seem ideal even with young kids. Now we can stay on another island for the weekend to avoid the huge weekend markup and then fly over to St. Kitts for 4/5 days. I could never get an exchange to Hawaii so nothing lost there.

It seems like every enhancements Marriott announces just serve to devalue their once pretty good programs. The program is what it is, so now my objective to best maximize the benefits I can extract.

 

[pfrank4127]

I wonder if someone could answer a question for me.

There seems to be a lot of concern about how much the week is worth and how much it will be to go to your home club.

For example, my MountainSide week is 5,350 Plat but ranges from 4,450 to 6,900 in season...

Still, I think we have to think about electing points as an enhancement. Points aren't for owners who just go to their home club every year - it's for owners who want to go for a few nights here and there or try the new Explorer program or want to pay less fees.

If you do want to go to your home club, owners have the best of both worlds. I can book the week the way I always have in the home club week pool - a pool that is separate from points exchangers.

So... I'm getting 7 nights as a home club owner for less than someone trying to get the same week using points. And, if I do want to try other clubs or go for a couple of nights to Vegas or something like that, that's a new option which I never had before.

I think it makes sense to see how many points you get and how many points your week is worth, but you would never use points to get 7 days back at your home resort. That's just not what they're for...

I tend to agree with this line of thinking. What concerns me is that the total point amounts to stay at a resort is not locked to stay the same.

 

[l2trade]

Marriott sure is looking out for its owners. If you paid the vastly overpriced developer price, even very recently, they hose you for another $600. If you decided to save some $$ and buy resale, they hose you even more.

Now its going to be interesting to watch the effect on resale prices.

I would love to see this thing fail miserably.

I agree that I would love to see this points system fail miserably and go back to the way things were. Unfortunately, as we learned from the Starwood fiasco, owners wanting to vote with their feet will get hurt the most. If we complain loudly on this board like we did with Starwood, watch out for falling resale prices.

The more I read the fine print, the happier I am that I didn't buy Marriott resale before this change. If I buy someday, I see no reason to buy until resale prices bottom out. Or beyond that and better yet, Marriott has given me the warning to never buy. With Starwood, that warning came too late.

I do not want to see existing owners of any timeshares stuck with an unwanted ownership. That is the ugly, ugly and all too common part of the timeshare world. I love my vacations and traveling to timeshares. I am a big fan of timeshares, but changes like this validate the craziness & BS that the timeshare industry is all too notorious for. These developers are too short sighted and greedy to recognize the benefits of a healthy & competitive resale market.

 

[hipslo]

For example, my MountainSide week is 5,350 Plat but ranges from 4,450 to 6,900 in season...

Still, I think we have to think about electing points as an enhancement. Points aren't for owners who just go to their home club every year - it's for owners who want to go for a few nights here and there or try the new Explorer program or want to pay less fees.

If you do want to go to your home club, owners have the best of both worlds. I can book the week the way I always have in the home club week pool - a pool that is separate from points exchangers.

this is only the case if the allocation of inventory between the two pools is done on some sort of pro rata basis based on each check in date under the current system. if the allocation is done that way, i agree with you. if it isnt, prime weeks potentially become much more difficult to reserve. none of the materials specificy the basis on which the allocation is to be done.

 

[qlaval]

 

[abdibile]

Ability to transfer points to other owners

There seems to be the ability to transfer (rent out?) points to other MVC members.

Under "Book my vaction" on vacationclub.com, the following option is offered:

Transfer

Transfer all or just some of your Vacation Club Points to another Marriott Vacation Club Points Owner or Enrolled Owner.

 

[tombo]

Some things about the new points system I was right about, some things I postulated weren't even close, but the main thing myself and many other TUGGERS were correct about was that the new points systems would be bad for resale owners, bad for resale sellers, bad for resale prices of what you own whether you purchased retail or resale, and that the new benefits for points owners would come at the expense of owners who won't pay to convert to points. This points program is as expected, only good for Marriott, and bad for everyone else.

 

[1965]

if you only have 2000 Marriott Destination Vacatiion Club points
and
you only want (1) night in a studio at a MVC Resort

when can you make this reservation?
how many days out??