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Introducing WYNDHAM Club Pass

To me it seems it's going full circle. Marriott copied the TRUST concept from Wyndham/Worldmark and now Wyndham/Worldmark is copying Marriott's legacy DC exhange program.

Based on this I would expect a grandfather clause similar to Marriott's June 2010 clause. Wyndham/Worldmark can make a lot of money off grandfather enrollment fees just like Marriott.

If Marriott and Wyndham get too much closer maybe they will merge :)

not sure what the legacy DC exchange program is. Based on what I can tell, I'm thinking it will be Wyndham timeshare owners getting access to worldmark, and vice versa. the 9 month window would seem to appease the 10 month reservation window 'owners' would get, so owners of their respective timeshare systems would still get 'first dibs'.

For the retail purchaser, this is obviously a bonus, albeit, a small one. however, for the sales team, just one more reason to buy retail. given the massive price differential between retail and resale, I think it is a good thing. It's good and reasonable for the retail purchaser to get more perks, since they paid a heck of a lot more for it. those who paid a buck (or whatever) for their timeshare and complain about access... I just don't get it. It couldn't cost that little to build the actual condo, so it is obvious that the resale buyer got a screaming bargain. In an ideal world, the retail market and the resale market would not be that far apart, cost wise.

And , IMHO, more retail purchases are what increase availability in various timeshares, and increase the potential # of new timeshares available. So, it's an overall win for everyone (even Wyndham). That is, if you can see the big picture.
 
.... It couldn't cost that little to build the actual condo, so it is obvious that the resale buyer got a screaming bargain. In an ideal world, the retail market and the resale market would not be that far apart, cost wise.

And , IMHO, more retail purchases are what increase availability in various timeshares, and increase the potential # of new timeshares available. So, it's an overall win for everyone (even Wyndham). That is, if you can see the big picture.

It is not the cost of the condo - the retail buyer PAID for that (but less than 50% of their purchase price was the cost of the actual building) ... the RESALE buyer is paying an OPTION to pay the MFs to support the operation of the resort. The retail buyer SOLD his ownership at the BIG DISCOUNT to get rid of the ongoing MFs.

As for Club "PASS" - seems that a poster presented that the Affiliated Resorts in Club Wyndham Plus are being moved into Club Pass (only direct points can be used) with the $99 exchange fee? Who loses on this --- the retail buyer gets to contribute MORE MONEY to WVO bottom line. There has always been comments that their were too few units in the cross-over pool --- I know I never booked an "Affiliated Resort" unit. :ponder:

And I now have a decent collection of Shell Points --- in addition to my Developer Purchased Wyndham points ... will be interesting as to HOW they can count which pot the points come from?
 
... I just don't get it. It couldn't cost that little to build the actual condo, so it is obvious that the resale buyer got a screaming bargain. In an ideal world, the retail market and the resale market would not be that far apart, cost wise.

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See below:


Wyndham's costs and profits circa 2012



Description..................................New Buyer.....Current Owner



Selling price in thousands....................$17K...............$22K

Brick, Stick and Mortar.........................20% .................20%

Selling................................................58......................32


Bad debts...........................................16......................12

Profit..................................... ..............6 .....................36


Source: Main Man at security analysts presentations and SEC 10K


The 58% selling expense vs around 5-6% on a codo adds no value what-so-ever and market reflects this plus glut since "developers" jumped on TS gravy train!.

Like that $1,500 vacuum door to door guy sells. Gives you what you paid originally for trade-in. Yet Consumer Reports found $400 units were comparable.

It well established hard sell tactics can move about anything at outrageous prices like Canadian gold and uranium mines, oil wells, clunkers, etc.
 
not sure what the legacy DC exchange program is. Based on what I can tell, I'm thinking it will be Wyndham timeshare owners getting access to worldmark, and vice versa. the 9 month window would seem to appease the 10 month reservation window 'owners' would get, so owners of their respective timeshare systems would still get 'first dibs'.

For the retail purchaser, this is obviously a bonus, albeit, a small one. however, for the sales team, just one more reason to buy retail. given the massive price differential between retail and resale, I think it is a good thing. It's good and reasonable for the retail purchaser to get more perks, since they paid a heck of a lot more for it. those who paid a buck (or whatever) for their timeshare and complain about access... I just don't get it. It couldn't cost that little to build the actual condo, so it is obvious that the resale buyer got a screaming bargain. In an ideal world, the retail market and the resale market would not be that far apart, cost wise.

And , IMHO, more retail purchases are what increase availability in various timeshares, and increase the potential # of new timeshares available. So, it's an overall win for everyone (even Wyndham). That is, if you can see the big picture.

I didnt see this post in Oct so in the spirit of better late than never

I agree in an ideal world, resale timeshares and retail timeshares would be closer in price but its the retail stuff that needs to come down , not the otherway around.. Resale is much closer to "real value" than retail


And I agree that we need the new buyers to keep our club growing but the club needs us resale buyers too. and the reason Wyndhan has a VIP program, and now Club Pass is to give their salesman something to make that inflated retail purchase price look like its worth it.
 
Thank you Tuggers for all of the information! It really has been helpful in my understanding of this topic! I like to have an insight as to various topics before we attend our owners update. You guys are the best!! :D
 
HI apparently joins Club Wyndham Pass

The point was made in post number 4 below.

http://tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=204605

Wyndham Reservations is confirming that three of the HI resorts are joining Club Wyndham Pass.

I guess the moral of the story is you want HI through Wyndham get it when it becomes available or it might not be there.
 
The point was made in post number 4 below.

http://tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=204605

Wyndham Reservations is confirming that three of the HI resorts are joining Club Wyndham Pass.

I guess the moral of the story is you want HI through Wyndham get it when it becomes available or it might not be there.

Again -- that poster was offering a POSSIBLE reason along with 3 or 4 other possible reasons which had NOTHING to do with Wyndham Vacations Resort in any format.

Your using a POSSIBLE cause to imply at REALITY in some undefined Wyndham possibility that is affecting ALL the Hawaii II and RCI exchange inventory is lunacy and irresponsible ...

Quoting another THREAD incorrectly does not PROVE your HOPEFUL point - to slam resale owners who PAY THE EXACT SAME MAINTENANCE FEES as you do - and should not participate in the Wyndham Vacation properties the same as you.

Resale Owners are NOT second class citizens. If they were, you should be DEMANDING that you sleep in units which had not ever been slept in by a resale family, not owned by any FIXED WEEK resale owner, resale guests have no pools or other resort amenities, and the resale scum have their own check in desk in the basement.

And remember, YOUR special VIP Platinum level can go away at any time, too. Only the original purchaser (you inherited your status) has VIP status --- also, those VIP benefits can and have changed at the WHIM of WVO. And that is FACT and not a rumor -- VIP benefits have decreased and been routinely lessened.....
 
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Again -- that poster was offering a POSSIBLE reason along with 3 or 4 other possible reasons which had NOTHING to do with Wyndham Vacations Resort in any format.

Your using a POSSIBLE cause to imply at REALITY in some undefined Wyndham possibility that is affecting ALL the Hawaii II and RCI exchange inventory is lunacy and irresponsible ...

Quoting another THREAD incorrectly does not PROVE your HOPEFUL point - to slam resale owners who PAY THE EXACT SAME MAINTENANCE FEES as you do - and should not participate in the Wyndham Vacation properties the same as you.

Resale Owners are NOT second class citizens. If they were, you should be DEMANDING that you sleep in units which had not ever been slept in by a resale family, not owned by any FIXED WEEK resale owner, resale guests have no pools or other resort amenities, and the resale scum have their own check in desk in the basement.

And remember, YOUR special VIP Platinum level can go away at any time, too. Only the original purchaser (you inherited your status) has VIP status --- also, those VIP benefits can and have changed at the WHIM of WVO. And the is FACT and not a rumor -- VIP benefits have decreased and been routinely lessened.....

In your haste to keep attacking me, you do not apparently see that I did not confirm poster number 4 in the cited link. What I did was pass on in the context of that post that the reservation people for Wyndham Club Plus/Access and presumably the Wyndham Club pass reservation people confirmed that three HI resorts are joining the Wyndham Club Pass system. I did not write down their names because I was on the Turnpike at the time. If you are interested in the names of the resorts, just give them a call. They have a list of resorts that are joining the Wyndham Club Pass system. I have checked the resorts with them that I go to and at this time, they are not slated for the Wyndham Club Pass program.

I did not check all of the Resorts. I do not actively follow the HI resorts, however, I am not sure where RCI got in the conversation. I do not believe it was referenced on the quoted thread or in my post. I will check again though. I am not sure, but I think poster 4 may have identified the exchange company Wyndham uses in HI.

As for you bald face lie that my post did not have anything to do with Wyndham Vacation Resorts, I would again point out that it was their call center that is confirming three HI Resorts were joining the Wyndham Club Pass program.

For those who do not feel any need to check their facts before attacking people, A simple phone call to reservations would have disclosed that Club Wyndham Pass is a Wyndham Vacation Ownership exchange program and not the Wyndham Vacation Rentals and Exchange Group.

Press on with false accusations and false facts in order to accomplish what ever your agenda might be. If one were cynical, one might believe you are acting as you do in a false belief that you are protecting your rental business.

By the way, as a friendly word to the wise, if your rental operation includes rentals in HI, you might was to use your Shell and Club Wyndham Access/Plus points to scarf up HI rental over the summer before they are gone. You might just make a mint.

I just checked the whole thread, the only reference to RCI was in post 10 (not the first or fourth poster), it indicted that RCI availability was there. I still am confused as to where RCI got in the conversation on my post. I quoted poster number 4 and, by implication, the 1st poster since it was a response to that post.

Regarding your comments pertaining to my VIP status (by the way as you already know, I have also purchased directly from Wyndham. My best price was $700 dollars plus closing costs at Westwinds). I was not aware until now that you connections with Wyndham Sales was that strong. Yes, I have felt what apparently is the heat from your wrath on this point at Shawnee Village, among others. Nice thought but it has been tried by sales a number of times.

A elitist Wynham VIP Platinum Owner that apparently supports the concept of VIP rights only for VIP Original Owners, a former Wyndham Sales Rep, perhaps?

Again, maybe you would want to check your facts, the Members Directory provides for ways to get and retain VIP Status other than through direct purchase.
 
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Just noticed, this thread went over 6,000 views. Impressive. Wyndham Club Pass must be drawing a lot of interest.
 
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Sort of, but not quite. There are a number of owners who have both resale and developer points. Presumably only the developer points would be eligible to be traded outside of their home system. But you would still be enrolled in the system automatically, even if none of your points were actually eligible to book a Worldmark resort (if you're a resale Wyndham owner).

This is another way to attempt to differentiate resale from developer purchased points... I can hear the sales weasels spinning this already...

Ron's right that it wouldn't have much impact for someone who was willing to invest in ownership in both systems. It clearly may impact those who only have resale Wyndham points who have traded in to Worldmark previously and may no longer be able to do so without making an investment in Worldmark credits.

I do read this as home SYSTEM and not home resort. I wonder if this is the "grain of truth" that some sales weasels were getting people spun up on a week or so ago about, "resale owners will only be able to use their home resort".

Most definately can here the Weasels squealing! I'm guessing that we are going to have to be even a little more "strategic" while booking In my case, I use the resorts I have deeds in and have Wyndham Access. Soooo, to insure that I will be able to get into the Worldmark I gotta make sure that I save the developer purchased points for those trades.
 
Most definately can here the Weasels squealing! I'm guessing that we are going to have to be even a little more "strategic" while booking In my case, I use the resorts I have deeds in and have Wyndham Access. Soooo, to insure that I will be able to get into the Worldmark I gotta make sure that I save the developer purchased points for those trades.

Any Worldmark owners out their know or can speculate which Resorts that are part of the Club Wyndham Plus/Access system that will become available to them under the Club Wyndham Pass system? Or, any of the posters that own in both systems might be able to share that information.

Also, for the posters that own in Club Wyndham Plus/Access and Shell, has Shell released any info on upcoming availability in the Club Wyndam Plus/Access Resorts that would result from the reported short term arrangement of 8 Shell Affiliates hooking up with Club Wyndham Access?
 
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Partial Listing of Club Wyndham Plus/Access Resorts joing Club Wyndham Pass

Just got off the phone with Owner Care. They checked the list of Resorts joining the Club Wyndham Pass program. Here is a partial list:

- 3 HI resorts
- Skyline Tower
- Kingsgate
- Nashville
- A few Fl resorts
- Smokey Mountain
- Fairfield Glade
- St. Thomas
- Ocean Blvd

There apparently is a expanded list not released yet that may include most if not all of the Club Wyndham Plus resorts.
 
It might also interest you to know that Worldmark owners are really concerned that this program will suck up all their short stay availability at 9 months
 
This particular group of owners can out-paranoid anyone---though it is perhaps with good reason.

The Short stay availability at 9 months has only been in effect for a year, prior to that it was limited to booking 90 days before check in.

We are not paranoid, just protective
 
The Short stay availability at 9 months has only been in effect for a year, prior to that it was limited to booking 90 days before check in.

We are not paranoid, just protective

My point is that Wyndham owners feel the same way
 
All,

Page 12 of first attachment in Ron's dropbox indicates 3 types of Worldmark credits: Class A, B and C. Class C appears to be excluded from this exchange.

Any idea what the difference in Classes means?

Thx!
 
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All,

Page 12 of first attachment in Ron's dropbox indicates 3 types of Worldmark credits: Class A, B and C. Class C appears to be excluded from this exchange.

Any idea what the difference in Classes means?

Thx!

Found it in in the TEN Summary

Class A -- TravelShare Qualified
Class B -- Prior to Nov 5, 2006
Class C -- Post Nov 5, 2006, not TS qual'd

Interesting.
 
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It might also interest you to know that Worldmark owners are really concerned that this program will suck up all their short stay availability at 9 months

Don't you consider yourself Worldmark owner, Ron? I've not seen you show much of the concern, or it would not have much heated debate in Club Wyndham Pass at all

http://www.wmowners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=38789

http://www.wmowners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=326896#p326896

Johnvancouver is Worldmark BoD director John Henley. He stated point conversion ratio is WM 1:16.4 WVO in next post.

It is definitely a curious topic...
 
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