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How are TX Tuggers making out?

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And if - if’s and an’s were pots and pans, the tinker would never work!
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So true. Texas was “if’d and maybe’d” by “green” energy.
 

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I don't think so, Tim:

“Power companies get exactly what they want”: How Texas repeatedly failed to protect its power grid against extreme weather
Texas regulators and lawmakers knew about the grid’s vulnerabilities for years, but time and again they furthered the interests of large electricity providers.

The chart below says it all: all fuel sources dropped dramatically except natural gas, which jumped by 78%.
 

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I am having trouble matching this graph against other news sources. For example, here is an article from the Austin American Statesman.


Among other things, it states

As of Wednesday, 46,000 megawatts of generation were offline, with 185 generating plants tripped. ERCOT officials said 28,000 megawatts came from coal, gas and nuclear plants, and 18,000 megawatts were from solar and wind. (highlighting added)​

According to your graph, the amount of energy from gas, coal, and nuclear combined increased during the crisis, as opposed to having dropped by 28,000 megawatts.

Also from the article

The issue became critical when several of the grid’s energy generation units began to go offline in rapid progression, affecting more than half of the grid's winter generating capacity, according to ERCOT Senior Director of System Operations Dan Woodfin. These failing sources largely included nuclear plants, coal plants and thermal energy generators. Frozen wind turbines were a factor, too, but Woodfin said wind shutdowns accounted for less than 13% of the outages.​
 

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Windmills work fine in an Ontario Canada winter.

HOWEVER - this can also cost you money. Windmills make power , even when your public utility does not need it.
There are times when Ontario pays the windmill farms AND also PAYS $$$ Michigan to take the excess power.

[Ontario electric power is about 61 % Nuclear , and you cannot turn that off easily]
About 10+years ago those in charge heavily promoted growth in wind & solar so we could (and did) close all remaining coal fuelled power plants.
It works fine and costs everyone more - especially when we have to pay to give it away.
[ sort of like getting rid of a time share you don’t need ]

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Regardless of the worldwide location - there is always plenty of hot air coming from leaders who promote solutions that they don’t fully understand. / as we say on TUG - if their lips are moving ..........
Thanks very much Canada for giving us your unneeded excess wind power. Al from Michigan. :D
 

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Hmmmm
Like I said:
They are getting out while the getting is acceptable.
 

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I read that everyone is rethinking electric cars because of the recent power failures. It would be a bummer to need to use a car but not be able to juice it up for weeks. People with gas cars could stay warm in their cars or drive away to somewhere better.

Bill
 

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Still missing the point. Not surprised. Which oil company do you work for?
I’m retired. Just live in the real world.
 

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I am having trouble matching this graph against other news sources. For example, here is an article from the Austin American Statesman.


Among other things, it states

As of Wednesday, 46,000 megawatts of generation were offline, with 185 generating plants tripped. ERCOT officials said 28,000 megawatts came from coal, gas and nuclear plants, and 18,000 megawatts were from solar and wind. (highlighting added)​

According to your graph, the amount of energy from gas, coal, and nuclear combined increased during the crisis, as opposed to having dropped by 28,000 megawatts.

Also from the article

The issue became critical when several of the grid’s energy generation units began to go offline in rapid progression, affecting more than half of the grid's winter generating capacity, according to ERCOT Senior Director of System Operations Dan Woodfin. These failing sources largely included nuclear plants, coal plants and thermal energy generators. Frozen wind turbines were a factor, too, but Woodfin said wind shutdowns accounted for less than 13% of the outages.​
The graph says it all.
 

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I read that everyone is rethinking electric cars because of the recent power failures. It would be a bummer to need to use a car but not be able to juice it up for weeks. People with gas cars could stay warm in their cars or drive away to somewhere better.

Bill
Tesla's "camp mode" kept owners warm when their power went out in Texas. Of course, if power is out for extended periods would they be impacted.
 

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I’m retired. Just live in the real world.
Hmm... well, I like facts. The facts are that wind power works. Texas invested significantly in wind power, so that ~17% of all power generation in the state is from that renewable resource. Your complaints are way off the mark, and not in the "real world", since you say wind power just doesn't work when it obviously does.

I like how you omitted the part where you admit... "I'm retired [but I had a successful career in the oil industry.]" :)
 

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Hmm... well, I like facts. The facts are that wind power works. Texas invested significantly in wind power, so that ~17% of all power generation in the state is from that renewable resource. Your complaints are way off the mark, and not in the "real world", since you say wind power just doesn't work when it obviously does.

I like how you omitted the part where you admit... "I'm retired [but I had a successful career in the oil industry.]" :)
Wind power works only if there is the right amount of wind. It should work great if the power grid went down but obviously there are some problems because it didn't work. It's too bad reactors get such a bad reputation in the USA.

Bill
 

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The graph says it all.
Your graphs show a sizeable increase in total electricity during the crisis. We know that is not true.

from ercot

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While Webber said all of Texas’ energy sources share blame for the power crisis, the natural gas industry is most notably producing significantly less power than normal.

“Gas is failing in the most spectacular fashion right now,” Webber said.

Dan Woodfin, a senior director at ERCOT, echoed that sentiment Tuesday.

“It appears that a lot of the generation that has gone offline today has been primarily due to issues on the natural gas system,” he said during a Tuesday call with reporters.
 
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Getting back to the title of this thread about how are TX TUGgers are making out -

DS and DIL live in Houston. I'm pretty sure they are making out as they always have. My only issue is that I wish that their making out would result in at least one grandchild for us to dote on.
 

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Getting back to the title of this thread about how are TX TUGgers are making out -

DS and DIL live in Houston. I'm pretty sure they are making out as they always have. My only issue is that I wish that their making out would result in at least one grandchild for us to dote on.
I have cousins in Houston and they are doing fine, though they also lost power, of course.


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Wind power works only if there is the right amount of wind. It should work great if the power grid went down but obviously there are some problems because it didn't work. It's too bad reactors get such a bad reputation in the USA.

Bill
See my earlier post with details on the Texas wind power systems and requirements.


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Hmm... well, I like facts. The facts are that wind power works. Texas invested significantly in wind power, so that ~17% of all power generation in the state is from that renewable resource. Your complaints are way off the mark, and not in the "real world", since you say wind power just doesn't work when it obviously does.

I like how you omitted the part where you admit... "I'm retired [but I had a successful career in the oil industry.]" :)
I am not against wind or solar power. You seem to enjoy putting words in people’s mouths. Look at the graph. It shows energy sourced from windmills dropping 61% (that means windmills still were producing some energy). It also shows that windmills are a very poor source of energy during an Arctic event that Texas just experienced. That’s an undeniable fact. The chart also shows natural gas ramped up (in one day) 78%. Another fact. Without natural gas there would have been thousands of deaths. Oh, by the way, I did not retire from an oil company.
 

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Your graphs show a sizeable increase in total electricity during the crisis. We know that is not true.

from ercot

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While Webber said all of Texas’ energy sources share blame for the power crisis, the natural gas industry is most notably producing significantly less power than normal.

“Gas is failing in the most spectacular fashion right now,” Webber said.

Dan Woodfin, a senior director at ERCOT, echoed that sentiment Tuesday.

“It appears that a lot of the generation that has gone offline today has been primarily due to issues on the natural gas system,” he said during a Tuesday call with reporters.
I repeat, the graph says it all.
 

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Your graphs show a sizeable increase in total electricity during the crisis. We know that is not true.

from ercot

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While Webber said all of Texas’ energy sources share blame for the power crisis, the natural gas industry is most notably producing significantly less power than normal.

“Gas is failing in the most spectacular fashion right now,” Webber said.

Dan Woodfin, a senior director at ERCOT, echoed that sentiment Tuesday.

“It appears that a lot of the generation that has gone offline today has been primarily due to issues on the natural gas system,” he said during a Tuesday call with reporters.
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I repeat, the graph says it all.
I repeat your graph cannot be true. Thanks for answering the question how your graph shows an increase in power generation when we know that is not true.
 

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I am not against wind or solar power. You seem to enjoy putting words in people’s mouths.
No, just trying to put things in perspective. Thanks for taking it in good humor.

Look at the graph. It shows energy sourced from windmills dropping 61% (that means windmills still were producing some energy). It also shows that windmills are a very poor source of energy during an Arctic event that Texas just experienced. That’s an undeniable fact. The chart also shows natural gas ramped up (in one day) 78%. Another fact. Without natural gas there would have been thousands of deaths. Oh, by the way, I did not retire from an oil company.
Perhaps you missed the part where Texas didn’t winterize the windmills.


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Your graph shows a pretty darn big drop in supply there. You do understand that there is peak production which I assume is mainly for AC in the summer. Your average demand is a pretty meaningless number in relation to the amount of production a power company has total. Of course that peak production for high demand days can not be windpower.
 

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No, just trying to put things in perspective. Thanks for taking it in good humor.



Perhaps you missed the part where Texas didn’t winterize the windmills.


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Didn’t miss that. Didn’t miss the fact that natural gas plants ramped up in spite of being subjected to rolling blackouts. Mismanagement across the board.
 
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