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Guess I was short sighted, was offered this for $1700 at my last owner update and turned them down. I was told well then no accessing Diamond resorts, which really has no appeal to me, they are all pretty old and I have stayed at most of them in driving area. As long as I can get into my home resort, I’m ok.
 

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Guess I was short sighted, was offered this for $1700 at my last owner update and turned them down. I was told well then no accessing Diamond resorts, which really has no appeal to me, they are all pretty old and I have stayed at most of them in driving area. As long as I can get into my home resort, I’m ok.
How was the offer for $1,700? Was it as a fee or upgrade?
 

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Very interesting! Since that is over a year away, it has to be Developer Weeks. None of us have access to our weeks at CA for 7/23 yet. I will have to see if I can get some weeks!

And here is a week for Sept 2023 at Ka’anapali in a
2BR. It would cost me $1,110 in mf for my RCI traders +exchange fees. It looks harder to exchange into than Cabo.

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Fee to join, with access to Diamond resorts, maybe I did not let them get to the 7k punch line. Told them not another cent more And they showed me to the door.
 

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Fee to join, with access to Diamond resorts, maybe I did not let them get to the 7k punch line. Told them not another cent more And they showed me to the door.
Interesting. That number has never come up and isn't in the guidebook but shows that the salespeople have flexibility with that initiation fee.
 

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Just went to try and book a week, but all that are left for now are the studios (hotel rooms) with no kitchens. Just wondering if you saw the "resort fee" and still think it is cheaper on RCI.

Resort amenities fee is 770 to 920 local currency. Cash or Credit is accepted.

The fee (plus tax) is per day/per unit depending on size of unit and covers the use of amenities.

7/29/23 is available in a 2 BR now.

No more than I will exchange into DRI, paying the resort fee will be much more affordable than a developer purchase.

Note on availability: RCI lets anyone set up an OGS to land a match. No elite requirement there.
 

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That is a fantastic price for Maui. I believe the 2 bdrms are on the street side of the resort. My challenges on RCI exchanges:

1) you get the dates and room size they give you. Often shoulder or off-peak. difficult to plan multi rooms for family
2) Resort fees can add up
3) RCIs trades end up with the worst rooms in the building (Lagoon Penthouse has a designated room next to the elevator motor on the roof - noisy)
4) You need to book months in advance. Life happens. If you need to cancel you are out your $249 trading fee.

RCI can be a good way to trade into insanely expensive resorts e.g. Crane but there are tradeoffs.
 
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Don’t disagree with any of this. But will there even be any inventory left through HGV Max at the 6 month mark? I will need some convincing that HGV Max is any more meaningful than RCI access before I would take the plunge.
That is a fantastic price for Maui. I believe the 2 bdrms are on the street side of the resort. My challenges on RCI exchanges:

1) you get the dates and room size they give you. Often shoulder or off-peak. difficult to plan multi rooms for family
2) Resort fees can add up
3) RCIs trades end up with the worst rooms in the building (Lagoon Penthouse has a designated room next to the elevator motor on the roof - noisy)
4) You need to book months in advance. Life happens. If you need to cancel you are out your $249 trading fee.

RCI can be a good way to trade into insanely expensive resorts e.g. Crane but there are tradeoffs, you get what you pay for.
 

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I don't want to go too far on a tangent, but will provide some info on the below:
And here is a week for Sept 2023 at Ka’anapali in a2BR. It would cost me $1,110 in mf for my RCI traders +exchange fees. It looks harder to exchange into than Cabo.
If you really want to go to KBC, here's the order in which I'd make a purchase based on ability to exchange/reserve: 1. Resale deeded KBC week, 2. HI Collection points, 3. Resale deeded DRI week elsewhere and use DeX, 4. HGV Max purchase. 5. Resale week outside of DRI and HGVC, and use RCI. I did #3, and I'm very happy with ability to exchange into KBC during most of the year; I can select the view category when I exchange. MFs for #1 and #2 far outweigh the benefits for me. In time, we'll see if #4 moves up.
 

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Don’t disagree with any of this. But will there even be any inventory left through HGV Max at the 6 month mark? I will need some convincing that HGV Max is any more meaningful than RCI access before I would take the plunge.
HGV Max also has to show that the combined company is worth continuing to do business, since the entire program marks a major shift in how HGV is treating owners. To put penalties on resale was expected and appear to be appropriately harsh but still allows for exchange within your program (When the loss of Open Season really starts hitting I see some holdings losing even more resale value.) The requiring of retail owners to make another purchase in order to access is an indication that many of the issues that inflated Diamond maintenance fees may be on their way to HGV in order to satisfy private equity.
 

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Or you can Rent with no obligation: I see plenty of KBC availability for $240 - $350/night on average for a 1 bdrm for the exact dates.


We can also expect to see it offered for points on Hilton's website in the future. Remember with HGVC we can convert to Honors points. Would have to evaluate the economics of this approach vs. others. IMHO...I would rather stay at the Grand Wailea...
 

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Which Facebook board was this on? I would like to follow that conversation.
I can't find the $7k one but this posted today on the general HGVC FB group:
We went to a presentation today and were informed that the 50-1 conversion no longer exist and that it is now 32-1. As well the 25-1 has now become 16-1 with the new Diamond resorts acquisition. We previously owned in New York central with 6700 points studio and had the 50-1 conversion. We got a Miami property today 2bed 2bath with hgv max for 8k out the door and upgraded to 11k points. I’d love to hear thoughts? Did we loose a benefit as a previous Diamond owner prior to the conversion with our purchase today? I want to ensure we got the best offer. Thanks for any insight.
 

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I can't find the $7k one but this posted today on the general HGVC FB group:
We went to a presentation today and were informed that the 50-1 conversion no longer exist and that it is now 32-1. As well the 25-1 has now become 16-1 with the new Diamond resorts acquisition. We previously owned in New York central with 6700 points studio and had the 50-1 conversion. We got a Miami property today 2bed 2bath with HGV Max for 8k out the door and upgraded to 11k points. I’d love to hear thoughts? Did we loose a benefit as a previous Diamond owner prior to the conversion with our purchase today? I want to ensure we got the best offer. Thanks for any insight.
I believe what you are seeing is a result of the 1.6X points expansion for the HGV/DR merger. HGV Club owners are getting a 1.6X revision of their previous points level to bring the points in line with what the point levels are in DR. If you previously owned 10,000 HGV points or a deed with an equivalent value, that point level is now 16,000 points. I don't believe that you lost anything on point buying power as this was just a revaluation.
 

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I can't find the $7k one but this posted today on the general HGVC FB group:
The $7,000 Initiation Fee is shown on page 26 of the HGVC Club Reference Guide updated on April 4, 2022. I am not an HGVC owner but someone posted the link to the document when it was released and I downloaded a copy.

Fee Schedule for HGV Max Members
ACTIVATION FEES
Activation Fee (per contract) $199
Ownership Change Fee $450
HGV Max Initiation Fee $7,000
 

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I believe what you are seeing is a result of the 1.6X points expansion for the HGV/DR merger. HGV Club owners are getting a 1.6X revision of their previous points level to bring the points in line with what the point levels are in DR. If you previously owned 10,000 HGV points or a deed with an equivalent value, that point level is now 16,000 points. I don't believe that you lost anything on point buying power as this was just a revaluation.
The HH conversion just needed to be explained to them since that hasn't changed, but interesting part was that a) he may have just "upgraded" from a 6700 old point to a 11k new point, barely gained and lost HH conversion amounts and b) he upgraded for only $8k and received Max so that tells us that the story of minimum $25k or $50k to upgrade into Max isn't true.
 

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I hope s/he rescinded. That is a bad deal. In addition to losing 32:1/50:1 conversion, s/he also lost AI reservations, and priority reservation windows by giving up NYC

The lies these reps spin amazes me.
 

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I hope s/he rescinded. That is a bad deal. In addition to losing 32:1/50:1 conversion, s/he also lost AI reservations, and priority reservation windows by giving up NYC

The lies these reps spin amazes me.
This is still being discussed in FB but sounds like his prior points were new points so he did gain. He is asking what else he loses by doing this. Since you own in NYC, what all did he lose?
 

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Also loss of lounge privileges in NYC. Does he still want to go to NYC? If so the priority window is a big deal. Every presentation we attend, they want to trade in our NYC. We say No. However if they don't use NYC, then switching to an efficient MF/pp Club makes sense.

Is Miami where they want to travel? How do the MF compare on a cost/pp basis? I believe Miami is an older building. Would take a look at the reserves and financials to avoid an assessment surprise.
 

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Also loss of lounge privileges in NYC. Does he still want to go to NYC? If so the priority window is a big deal. Every presentation we attend, they want to trade in our NYC. We say No. However if they don't use NYC, then switching to an efficient MF/pp Club makes sense.

Is Miami where they want to travel? How do the MF compare on a cost/pp basis? I believe Miami is an older building. Would take a look at the reserves and financials to avoid an assessment surprise.
Are you part of the HGVC FB group, https://www.facebook.com/groups/HGVCowners? Maybe respond to his post and provide some thoughts? I don't know enough about NYC properties.
 

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I hope s/he rescinded. That is a bad deal. In addition to losing 32:1/50:1 conversion, s/he also lost AI reservations, and priority reservation windows by giving up NYC

The lies these reps spin amazes me.

I do believe that Max gives you unlimited bookings. They may have not lost that. Otherwise, I agree, bad deal.
 

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@dayooper Good point, however we still don't know what MAX is yet.

The poster mentioned that he uses NYC. The loss of the priority NYC booking window will be a big loss when Diamond can book at < 60 days when the booking window opens. Also loss of Open Season which is only available to NYC owners.
 

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That is a bad deal.... s/he also lost AI reservations
I am not sure all that many bHC owners know about the AI option. We bought resale W 57th last year, and there was nothing about it in any of the paperwork - even our agent, one frequently recommended here at TUG as knowledgeable about HGVC, seemed unfamiliar when we mentioned it during the purchase process.
I knew about it only because of TUG, and knew I had to ask to have it added after our deed was activated.
 

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I sent an email to them indicating that I’m upset that as a retail owner from 2018 I’m not automatically grandfathered into the new program. This was their response:
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Good, so that means that DRI members who purchase into HGV Max will be able to book normal HGVC at 6-month mark and HGVC member will still be able to book at 9-month mark. I don't have a problem with that.

That is true at this time. However, there is a new and improved HGV Max Elite which will be launched with allowing a 10 month mark for reservations. That will kill the most sought after weeks for legacy HGVC owners.
 
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