HGV Max in the Club Reference Guide

[pedro47]

Perhaps the trusts remain under either the Diamond Resorts or Sunterra names. The trust were originally formed under Sunterra. Diamond Resorts was headquartered in Nevada. I don’t recall we’re Sunterra had its headquarters

I believe Sunterra was located in Orlando, FL.
That is where all the heavy hitters were headquartered, plus, all the MF's and money were collected. in Florida.

 

[youppi]

I believe Sunterra was located in Orlando, FL.
That is where all the heavy hitters were headquartered, plus, all the MF's and money were collected. in Florida.

Orlando in the beginning but in 2002 they relocated it to Las Vegas

From http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/irol/11/114123/reports/2002 10K.pdf
"We also own an approximately 25,000 square foot building in Orlando, Florida, which, prior to our relocation to North Las Vegas in 2002, was our headquarters."

 

[youppi]

Perhaps the trusts remain under either the Diamond Resorts or Sunterra names. The trust were originally formed under Sunterra. Diamond Resorts was headquartered in Nevada. I don’t recall we’re Sunterra had its headquarters

DRI renamed everything from Sunterra to Diamond Resort I think.
The Hawaii Collection members association certificate showing its rename is

https://owners.diamondresorts.com/webui/doc_load_from_store?pvFileName=F-1709952949/Certificate%20of%20Amendment%20of%20Association%2010-31-07.pdf

 

[HuskerATL]

Just out about Max, https://club.hiltongrandvacations.c...n=hgvmax-slaunch&utm_term=EN&utm_content=link

 

[HuskerATL]

Here are the Max benefits in writing but I am not seeing much that we don't already have:

What Are The Benefits?
On April 4, 2022, HGV Max Members will have immediate access to the following features:

• Existing Club Portfolio of 60+ resorts within the Hilton Grand Vacations Club network.
• One Annual Club Dues Payment, regardless of how many eligible timeshare interests are owned (exclusions apply).
• Complimentary Reservation Transactions when booking within your Club resort portfolio.
• Borrow Points from your next allotment for use within the HGV Club exchange program, without incurring transaction fees.
• Save Current-Year ClubPoints for use the following year (fee and use restrictions apply).
• RCI Exchange Access by depositing Points for immediate or future stays at properties within the RCI network.
• Partner Experiences such as cruises, guided journeys and more.

Benefits coming to HGV Max later in 2022 and beyond include:

• Expanded Portfolio with self-service booking at over 140 properties, featuring a new reservation window starting six months before check-out (exceptions apply).
• Complimentary Reservation Transactions when booking at over 140 resorts.
• Borrow Points for use within the expanded portfolio of over 140 properties.
• Complimentary Guest Certificates allotted annually (based on Member tiers).
• HGV Max Rate with Hilton providing 10% savings off the regularly published rates when making reservations at over 6,800 Hilton hotels and resorts.

 

[HuskerATL]

I’m an HGV Club Member. Am I automatically an HGV Max Member?
If you purchased a vacation ownership interest from HGV after January 14, 2022, you will have the option to opt in to HGV Max. If you made a purchase at an HGV-branded Sales Center after April 4, 2022, you will automatically have access to HGV Max.

 

[Eric B]

If I join HGV Max, will I have access to the Embarc collection?
We are reviewing how to expand HGV Max to include Embarc collection properties. At this time, Embarc collection properties are not part of the HGV Max program.

 

[Mongoose]

Just out about Max, https://club.hiltongrandvacations.c...n=hgvmax-slaunch&utm_term=EN&utm_content=link

Sounds great, but it doesn’t address availability….

 

[Mongoose]

I’m an HGV Club Member. Am I automatically an HGV Max Member?
If you purchased a vacation ownership interest from HGV after January 14, 2022, you will have the option to opt in to HGV Max. If you made a purchase at an HGV-branded Sales Center after April 4, 2022, you will automatically have access to HGV Max.

Well that sucks for anyone that bought in Q1. Wonder how different the prices were?

 

[dayooper]

Well that sucks for anyone that bought in Q1. Wonder how different the prices were?

The opt in is supposedly at no cost.

 

[HuskerATL]

The Max info page from the link in the email sent out this morning is already taken down....

 

[dioxide45]

The Max info page from the link in the email sent out this morning is already taken down....

View attachment 51595

Just means more people will get the email and try Googling it. I notice at least one of these TUG threads come up on the first page of search results when searching for "HGV Max".

It also looks like the sub pages are down. I still have that page open from earlier and when you click on any of the "Learn more" buttons, they get the same 404 error.

 

[Nomad420]

With only one HGVC property owned at HCNY that is pretty much the only place I use so I don't see a lot of benefit to owners like me. My other properties are not HGVC related. But I will withhold judgement until I learn a bit more about the program.

 

[Mongoose]

The new points chart on the member website is up. It’s in the club membership portion. Here’s the chart:

https://d1m2ucn09z2f8d.cloudfront.net/static/documents/0b7ababb-91cc-411f-a8d7-664144eab6ea/CLB-BRCH-796204%20_%20HGV%20Max%20Points%20and%20Open%20Season%20Booklet_WEB.pdf

Besides the 60%, did the revalue some locations? I thought most 2br were supposed to be 11200.

 

[Tamaradarann]

Reservation Window:

View attachment 50919

I seems at the Grand Islander and the Hokolani in Honolulu the HGV Max Club members will have the same booking window as HGVC club members. That will eliminate the advantage the HGVC club members have over HGV Club members with respect to booking at those resorts.

 

[natarajanv]

Links to the Rules/Club Reference Guide has been replaced temporarily by "NEW NAVIGATION ITEM"

 

[Nowaker]

Links to the Rules/Club Reference Guide has been replaced temporarily by "NEW NAVIGATION ITEM"

Sound engineering!

 

[escanoe]

So the basic crux of the situation is that us HGV members (pre grandfather phase) continue (so far) to book HGV like usual.
If we want DRI resorts, we'll either have to buy DRI, Purchase Max, or possibly if the resort is in RCI, book it that way.

It seems it doesn't (IMO) make sense to spend $7k for DRI access and I'd be better off using RCI (if possible) or buying resale DRI?

Although I know I tried to put an OGS in for Cabo Azul in RCI (last year, maybe?) and the system wouldn't let me. Called and the rep tried doing it as well and it wouldn't let her. She dug into it and said the resort wasn't "in" the RCI system or something similar (I know it's in Interval) so I wonder if that was something to do with DRI/HGV merger? Dunno. But she thought it was weird that the resort was in the list, but unable to be booked/OGS'd.

BUT that was a while ago (that's one of the few DRI resorts I'd be interested in)

I've never been able to book via Interval for that resort, either. (shows up in the list, but never get a match with my trades)

The Cabo Azul OGSs I set up in RCI just matched for 2BRs in early and mid July 2023. RCI is going to be a much cheaper way for me to do my DRI visits than making a new HGV developer purchase.

 

[GT75]

The Cabo Azul OGSs I set up in RCI just matched for a 2BRs in early and mid July.

How many HGVC pts is that going to require and additional fees?

 

[escanoe]

I set up the OGS for it in RCI Points vs HGVC.

The match is for 62,000 RCI Points. Here is what it would have cost me on RCI Points. (My points cost about $0.007 each.)

RCI Resort Fee Disclosure: Resort amenities fee is 770 to 920 local currency. Cash or Credit is accepted.
Escanoe Math: I will assume that is daily and in pesos and 920 is for a 2BR. Using google it converts it to $38.51 per day


MFs $434
Xchange fee $259
Resort Fee $269.57

Total: $962.57

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UPDATE!

There are some in RCI open inventory now. Here are point values in HGVC. And it looks like these values are steady over time. A studio's HGVC point valuation is the same in January as July.

I am not going to do an HGVC price calculation. Many of you have better ratios than me. The current HGVC RCI exchange fee is $249 ($10 less than using an RCI Points account). The resort fee is the same.

 

[tk25]

I suspect that the HGV Max Initiation Fee of $7000 (listed on page 26 of Club Reference 2022 rules and fees) is just a sales tool or prop/ploy that is being routinely waived when someone buys direct from authorized HGVC/Max sales center.

The HGVC/Max sales person says that if you buy this week/deed/points "Right Now today" we will waive the usual $7000 initiation fee which will apply if you don't buy right now but later. HGVC/Max is trying to make the retail purchaser think he is getting even a better deal by buying right now.

HGV at this time has no intention of selling Max membership for $7000 to anyone with resale only deeds regardless of when they were purchased. No grandfathering of resale purchases before April 2022.

 

[Talent312]

HGV at this time has no intention of selling Max membership for $7000 to anyone with resale only deeds regardless of when they were purchased. No grandfathering of resale purchases before April 2022.

Everyone who buys a TS directly will eventually sell (except for those "returned" or kept in-family), so at least the existing stock, available for direct sales will likely diminish over time. Max may be their new cash-cow for the moment, but by excluding resales they are, as the saying goes, "Cutting off their nose to spite their face."

 

[tombanjo]

They ROFR all day long as long as they can keep selling the MAX magic to punters.

 

[HuskerATL]

I suspect that the HGV Max Initiation Fee of $7000 (listed on page 26 of Club Reference 2022 rules and fees) is just a sales tool or prop/ploy that is being routinely waived when someone buys direct from authorized HGVC/Max sales center.

The HGVC/Max sales person says that if you buy this week/deed/points "Right Now today" we will waive the usual $7000 initiation fee which will apply if you don't buy right now but later. HGVC/Max is trying to make the retail purchaser think he is getting even a better deal by buying right now.

HGV at this time has no intention of selling Max membership for $7000 to anyone with resale only deeds regardless of when they were purchased. No grandfathering of resale purchases before April 2022.

Probably but they have announced that anyone who purchases or upgraded after April 4th is automatically in. So upgrading a resale could be a good route to get in, if you have good trade in value and find the right deal.

 

[dayooper]

Probably but they have announced that anyone who purchases or upgraded after April 4th is automatically in. So upgrading a resale could be a good route to get in, if you have good trade in value and find the right deal.

My thought is why would I put the kind of cash HGV wants when they have now shown they are willing to change the system at a whim and charge existing clients more money to play in the new sandbox. It’s a slap in the face to all those that put, in some cases 6 figures into their ownership. Who’s to say they don’t have a series of changes lined up to soak owners for even more?

I’m not even talking about me. I haven’t put that kind of money that others have (about $2200 directly to HGVC) for my ownership. I understand why a resale owner like me might be left out (don’t agree but understand), but to force those that spent a considerable amount of income to pay even more is a slap to the face. They have already gone back on their word that they put their owners first by not accommodating those that they built their company on. Then they have the audacity to allow the sales weasels full control over the narrative by not specifying what the program actually is. Sales is allowed to throw whatever crap they want against the wall and see what sticks. As long as the buyer goes past the recession period, they are stuck. Then, sales is ignoring the $7000 opt in fee, pretending it doesn’t exist so they can coerce prospective buyers to purchasing even more. The DRI sales tactics are permeating into HGV.