HGV Max in the Club Reference Guide

[iiderman]

Honestly, what we do know is HGV is selling HGV Max. But we don't know what HGV Max really is (the details anyways).

We don’t know what we don’t know we don’t know

 

[brp]

We don’t know what we don’t know we don’t know

Right. But at least we know that.

Cheers.

 

[dioxide45]

The problem with HGV Max and even with Marriott/Vistana is they are selling something that doesn't really exist yet. YOu can buy in but you can't really do anything or book anything within the new program. Timeshare developers used to do this in the past. They would sell a timeshare by showing you an empty piece of land where the timeshare was going to be built. In some cases the resort was never built.

 

[brp]

The problem with HGV Max and even with Marriott/Vistana is they are selling something that doesn't really exist yet. YOu can buy in but you can't really do anything or book anything within the new program. Timeshare developers used to do this in the past. They would sell a timeshare by showing you an empty piece of land where the timeshare was going to be built. In some cases the resort was never built.

Get in on the ground floor
Low pre-development price
Sure to appreciate
You don't want to miss this opportunity
...

Cheers.

 

[Tamaradarann]

Agree on the misinformation that others have mentioned. At this time, there is no documentation that indicates that anyone gets more than a 9-month reservation window, including Max Executive Infinity Plus members. They get searches starting at 10 months. That is all that is documented.

Salesweasels may call it a "reservation" to make it sound more attractive but, well, they're salesweasels.

Cheers.

Are you saying that the Max Executive Infinity Plus Members for the program that they will be coming out with later this year will only be getting search privileges not booking privileges? What good is seaching for something and not being able to act on the time and effort you put into a search?

 

[escanoe]

Oh, but it is also documented that these are "active searches" and not merely passive searches.

I assume they are like OGSs that have the potential to match with some type of priority status right at the 9-month mark.

Again, no one yet fully understands how this will work. Patience, grasshopper.

Are you saying that the Max Executive Infinity Plus Members for the program that they will be coming out with later this year will only be getting search privileges not booking privileges? What good is seaching for something and not being able to act on the time and effort you put into a search?

 

[brp]

Are you saying that the Max Executive Infinity Plus Members for the program that they will be coming out with later this year will only be getting search privileges not booking privileges? What good is seaching for something and not being able to act on the time and effort you put into a search?

Yes, it will act. But I expect not at 10 months. Rather, at 9 months. And I actually don't expect that it will be 9 months to the second as some of us do. Basically, I don't really expect that it will jump the queue, but book at the 9 month mark, within a couple of minutes. So, it saves the need to look at 9 months as the search can go in "whenever" during the 10th month.

Again, speculation.

Cheers.

 

[fys]

Yes, it will act. But I expect not at 10 months. Rather, at 9 months. And I actually don't expect that it will be 9 months to the second as some of us do. Basically, I don't really expect that it will jump the queue, but book at the 9 month mark, within a couple of minutes. So, it saves the need to look at 9 months as the search can go in "whenever" during the 10th month.

Again, speculation.

Cheers.

I agree with brp but for a different reason. The HOME WEEK PRIORITY RESERVATION WINDOW ends 276 days in advance of the CHECK IN date. The CLUB RESERVATION WINDOW requires a 3 night minimum stay and starts 276 days prior to the CHECK OUT date. This would allow HGVC, under the current rules, a 72 hour period after the end of the home week priority window and before the club reservation window opens to fill the ongoing search requests for the MAX Elite (or whatever it will be known as) member. With this 72 hour period, effectively, home week bookings are honoured in full, MAX Elite members get to book ahead of most member (as advertised), and the club reservation window remains the same (as promised) - albeit with less available inventory (not promised). And yes, as such, those "walking a reservation" may find the room they were counting on taken by MAX Elite before they can get to book it.

I've attached the revised HGVC Disclosure Statement (April 2022) [check your HOA documents in your portal]. The definition of home week and club reservation window is defined in this document. Although HGVC can/have amended/changed the definition at any time, they just amended them this month. I would think a further major change is unlikely at this time ... but ...

Note that the definition of home week priority reservation window confirms that a "Club Member has the exclusive right to reserve the use of their Home Week through the Club without competing for such reservation with other Club Members other than those owning the same suite configuration type and Season at the same Home Resort." You need to match: 1. same resort, 2. same season, 3. same suite configuration (a. room size [studio, 1, 2, 3 bdrm, etc], b. room view [reg, plus, premium, etc., and c. setup [king bed vs 2 double beds]). It is 3b and 3c that has been added over the past 25 years.

In conclusion, MAX Elite can search but not book until day 275 before check in.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

We are really getting over our skis on this 10 month search item.

AFAIK there is nothing that says this 10 month search for Max elite is for HGV reservations.

Have you considered that this may be for 10 months DRI reservations and not HGV? @HuskerATL found that these Elite terms were lifted from the current DRI Club Elite benefits. It appears there is a 10 month "club" like window in the DRI system. Perhaps this allows MAX buyers access to DRI resorts at 10 months and has nothing to do with early search on HGV. In addition these benefits were marked "not final."

Hopefully HGV will sort out this confusion soon.

 

[ljmiii]

We don’t know what we don’t know we don’t know

Reports that say that something hasn't happened to HGVC are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of timeshares in our country and in other countries, it is the latter category that tends to be the difficult ones....[presented with tongue firmly in cheek]

 

[pedro47]

I feel Marriott/Vistana are now going to delay their action plans until the HGVC MAX plan is laid out completely for Hilton/DRI members.
This is only my opinion.

 

[Mowogo]

I feel Marriott/Vistana are now going to delay their action plans until the HGVC MAX plan is laid out completely for Hilton/DRI members.
This is only my opinion.

No, Marriott/Vistana locked themselves into June for major information to investors. Hilton is going for a segmented product (HVC vs HGVC vs bHC), while Marriott Vacations offers segmentation on properties, but sells a singular offering (With luxury being available with the same currency as regular) which makes the integration very different. For HVC there was just work needed to make exchanging with the existing HGVC and bHC currencies work relatively easy. Marriott is eliminating the sales of the Vistana Flex products when they move sales to the combined product. HGV is being pushed by the former owners of Diamond to return cash to investors immediately, where MVW has more latitude to try and create a compelling product.

 

[hurnik]

I set up the OGS for it in RCI Points vs HGVC.

The match is for 62,000 RCI Points. Here is what it would have cost me on RCI Points. (My points cost about $0.007 each.)

RCI Resort Fee Disclosure: Resort amenities fee is 770 to 920 local currency. Cash or Credit is accepted.
Escanoe Math: I will assume that is daily and in pesos and 920 is for a 2BR. Using google it converts it to $38.51 per day


MFs $434
Xchange fee $259
Resort Fee $269.57

Total: $962.57

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UPDATE!

There are some in RCI open inventory now. Here are point values in HGVC. And it looks like these values are steady over time. A studio's HGVC point valuation is the same in January as July.

View attachment 52561

I am not going to do an HGVC price calculation. Many of you have better ratios than me. The current HGVC RCI exchange fee is $249 ($10 less than using an RCI Points account). The resort fee is the same.

Which resort code did you use?
I used RF29. Says no units available, and they only have studios and 1 BR (for that resort code).

 

[CalGalTraveler]

No, Marriott/Vistana locked themselves into June for major information to investors. Hilton is going for a segmented product (HVC vs HGVC vs bHC), while Marriott Vacations offers segmentation on properties, but sells a singular offering (With luxury being available with the same currency as regular) which makes the integration very different. For HVC there was just work needed to make exchanging with the existing HGVC and bHC currencies work relatively easy. Marriott is eliminating the sales of the Vistana Flex products when they move sales to the combined product. HGV is being pushed by the former owners of Diamond to return cash to investors immediately, where MVW has more latitude to try and create a compelling product.

I don't think MVC is driven primarily by the HGV announcement, Shareholders of MVC want to see returns on the investment in Vistana, II and Hyatt because they have been taking too long. Wall Street pressures are no better than HGV.

Perhaps HGV is modeling themselves more like the Worldmark/Wyndham/Shell model where each operates semi-autonomously but if you want access to trade in another pool you pay a fee instead of one massive points program. IMO I am in favor of more efficient MF in some pools and grandfathering of deeds, so I am not required to pay for mud weeks can choose my fees, rather than spreading the MF and fees across all = expensive. MVC and Vistana are grandfathering deeds too.

 

[escanoe]

Which resort code did you use?
I used RF29. Says no units available, and they only have studios and 1 BR (for that resort code).

#DN82

 

[hurnik]

#DN82

Ah, that's why. Great, thanks!
Interesting that RCI has some availability but my Interval account does not.

 

[Diana333]

(This is my post from a different thread. I figure this should have a post in it’s own.)

Looks like it’s $7000 to join HGV Max without a developer purchase. Here is a screenshot of the reference page from my account.View attachment 50866

Here’s another statement from the reference page about resale.

View attachment 50867
Does this mean if you own resale you can’t be part of HGVMax or does it mean the purchase doesn’t qualify?

To me, it doesn’t matter. We won’t buy from the developer nor will we pay $7000 to join. I’m really disappointed in HGV, but not surprised. The desire to soak owners for even more money is too great. There will be plenty of people who will join and they will make their money, but all of the speculation a year ago was correct, this merger is a negative for many owners.

I signed up for HGVMax, and I was told that if you bought your Timeshare on a resale, then you would not qualify to buy HGVMax.

The thing I see here that looks likely to devalue what I own is HGV Max owners having "unlimited home resort priority."

I assume that means in a matter of time until us commoners will not be visiting Ocean Oak, Lagoon Tower, or ski resorts in ski season unless we own there.

I perceive the value of my Vegas ownership going down soon.

If I owned Ocean Oak and was eligible for HGV Max, I would think about purchasing.

Hello Escanoe. I hope the value of your Las Vegas timeshare will go up. Since there is now a Major League Football Team in Las Vegas, the value of all Timeshare in Las Vegas will hopefully increase.

 

[Diana333]

IMHO...At $7k I believe they are going to sell a lot of these. Most buyers are not Tuggers and won't know the downsides of a 6 month reservation especially since there is no other MF obligation beyond the higher club fee (which is a nice annuity stream for HGV).

Compared to the crazy $20 - $30k buy-in + high DP annual MF cited in the MVC/Vistana boards, anything under $10k as a one time cost is not bad.

Diamond Owners: Does Diamond have the equivalent of last minute Open Season Rates? Are they worth it? Is there is availability at 6 months for Cabo Azul, Maui and Sedona during regular season.

For us, Max could be a good strategy to get access without more MF. Once enrolled, we could buy another resale for more points to use in the Max program. (We already have a retail unit so qualify for MAX and already pay the higher AI fee so no change). Unless they provide us with a great deal, it seems we could hold off and call and enroll in the program just before we want to stay at a Diamond property vs. buying right now. So can wait and see how this turns out in terms of availability before pulling the trigger.

I expect the Diamond program for Diamond owners may be similar at 6 months (with the exception of bHC windows), but may require the purchase of additional points unless Diamond Elite. To get 9 months HGVC club, they would need to convert to HGV with a Diamond trust trade-in value.

Hi CalGalTraveler. You are pretty knowledgeable about this program already. We just bought into HGV Max, and did a Diamond Trust Trade-In. What I am noticing already, is that there is TONS of available resorts in Hawaii with HGVMax, sixteen pages of them, so that is a big thing, because a Diamond Representative told me I won't have enough points to go to Hawaii with HGVMax, but I am seeing plenty of options there. Sure, if you want to stay at a Hilton with points you may have to save up points for two years, but there is so much more than just Hilton Resorts there. There are no yearly fees to have access to RCI trades, or Direct Xchange trades. You just pay the Xchange fee per vacation, and you can go MANY places in the U.S., Europe, Canada, Asia, Africa Etc. So, yes, I guess some people would consider me a sucker for buying into HGVMax, but I think there is going to be a lot of access to many different resorts at many different Tier levels. I had expected changes to pricing structures anyway since Hilton bought out Diamond Resorts, and as you pointed out, I am paying the same amount to Hilton on monthly payments as I was paying to Diamond, and my Maintanance and Taxes are actually Lower!!!

 

[HuskerATL]

Hi CalGalTraveler. You are pretty knowledgeable about this program already. We just bought into HGV Max, and did a Diamond Trust Trade-In. What I am noticing already, is that there is TONS of available resorts in Hawaii with HGVMax, sixteen pages of them, so that is a big thing, because a Diamond Representative told me I won't have enough points to go to Hawaii with HGVMax, but I am seeing plenty of options there. Sure, if you want to stay at a Hilton with points you may have to save up points for two years, but there is so much more than just Hilton Resorts there. There are no yearly fees to have access to RCI trades, or Direct Xchange trades. You just pay the Xchange fee per vacation, and you can go MANY places in the U.S., Europe, Canada, Asia, Africa Etc. So, yes, I guess some people would consider me a sucker for buying into HGVMax, but I think there is going to be a lot of access to many different resorts at many different Tier levels. I had expected changes to pricing structures anyway since Hilton Bought out Diamond Resorts, and as you pointed out, I am paying the same amount to Hilton on monthly payments as I was paying to Diamond, and my Maintanance and Taxes are Lower!!!

I am curious how you are seeing what properties are in HGVmax when the Max portal isn't up yet? Are referring to the DRI portal?

 

[jabberwocky]

I signed up for HGVMax, and I was told that if you bought your Timeshare on a resale, then you would not qualify to buy HGVMax.

Sounds like buying resale is a win-win!

 

[Diana333]

I am curious how you are seeing what properties are in HGVmax when the Max portal isn't up yet? Are referring to the DRI portal?

I'm watching the new Direct Xchange Portal for HGVMax being built by checking availablility every day. I have a view of Traditional DEX and the New Dex for HGVMax on my Diamond Portal.

 

[HuskerATL]

I'm watching the new Direct Xchange Portal for HGVMax being built by checking availablility every day. I have a view of Traditional DEX and the New Dex for HGVMax on my Diamond Portal.

That is interesting. So in the Diamond portal, there is a view into the new Max portal? I had heard that it would not be available until August. So you are seeing which DRI properties will be made available to HGV Max members when it is available to them?

 

[Diana333]

That is interesting. So in the Diamond portal, there is a view into the new Max portal? I had heard that it would not be available until August. So you are seeing which DRI properties will be made available to HGV Max members when it is available to them?

That is interesting. So in the Diamond portal, there is a view into the new Max portal? I had heard that it would not be available until August. So you are seeing which DRI properties will be made available to HGV Max members when it is available to them?

Yes, I believe that's what I'm seeing. But I was told they are not available for booking until August.

 

[cindyc]

So, @diana323 did you initially buy your DRI deeded week resale?

I have 3 resale weeks and developer US Collection Points. They offered us HGV Max at a presentation in February. Interestingly, they offered to "launder" my 3 resale weeks for 10,000 points each with a purchase, but I declined.

In essence they had already done that when I made my developer.purchase which got me Platinum and 13 month booking window. I am not interested in giving up my deeds.and since I.also own HGVC resale, I just don't foresee an upside for me.



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[geist1223]

Under the previous releases it said if you bought resell after the Announcement Date you could not join HGV MAX. But if you bought resell before the Announcement Date you could go HGV MAX for a minimum of $7K.