HGV Max in the Club Reference Guide

[Nowaker]

resale purchases in Scotland and Southwest Florida that used to count towards elite.. NO LONGER allowed effective April 4

Where is it stated exactly? Can you pleas cite a rule?

BTW, I'm patiently waiting to see if my HGVC UK purchase made a month ago will qualify me to HGV Max. At this very moment, even HGVC UK doesn't know.

<Nowaker> Are you guys considered a "HGV Max authorized sales center", as defined in HGV Club Reference 2022?
<My HGVC UK contact> All details to still be finalised but my understanding at present is that as we are mainly involved with resales not classed as HGV MAX authorised centre.
<Nowaker> Thanks. When you have more information, please let me know.
<My HGVC UK contact> I certainly will. Gradual roll out and still many details to be finalised with integration of resorts and how will be processed. Apologies I am unable to clarify at present as waiting for information coming through.

 

[GT75]

resale purchases in Scotland and Southwest Florida that used to count towards elite.. NO LONGER allowed effective April 4

How are you coming to that conclusion?

 

[clominac]

Question though, if member points went up by 60% and points to stay went up by 60%, isn't this the same as currency adjustment or printing more money? Doesn't that devalue what you had?

 

[brp]

Question though, if member points went up by 60% and points to stay went up by 60%, isn't this the same as currency adjustment or printing more money? Doesn't that devalue what you had?

Nope. It simply keeps parity within HGVC. The same number of points (adjusted) get the same thing (adjusted). What it does do is harmonise with DRI levels, apparently. But all is unchanged within HGVC.

Cheers.

 

[PigsDad]

Question though, if member points went up by 60% and points to stay went up by 60%, isn't this the same as currency adjustment or printing more money? Doesn't that devalue what you had?

Why would it devalue anything if both your points and the points required for a stay went up by the same percentage? This is simple math.

Kurt

 

[CalGalTraveler]

How are you coming to that conclusion?

Told by a sales rep?

 

[iiderman]

How are you coming to that conclusion?

We recently purchased in SW Florida (settled in March). I called my sales person April 4 to ask about Max and elite going forward and he said they had just been notified by corporate that any purchases coming out of their offices would not qualify for EITHER

 

[iiderman]

We recently purchased in SW Florida (settled in March). I called my sales person April 4 to ask about Max and elite going forward and he said they had just been notified by corporate that any purchases coming out of their offices would not qualify for EITHER

Same thing with all the resellers in the Scotland offices. I wish it was a laughing matter but Hilton is finally doing what the others have done making resales restricted

 

[GT75]

We recently purchased in SW Florida (settled in March). I called my sales person April 4 to ask about Max and elite going forward and he said they had just been notified by corporate that any purchases coming out of their offices would not qualify for EITHER

Thanks for the update. Did that also include your recent purchase?

 

[iiderman]

Thanks for the update. Did that also include your recent purchase?

Our purchase was to get us to elite premier and because the sales contract was signed in February it will be honored as such.

 

[natarajanv]

Grandfathered Benefits currently revolve around Hilton Honors points conversion. Grandfathered Legacy members may convert every year. New Members may only convert Every Other Year. There is mention in the Guide about limits on Open Season Usage but the limits are not explicitly listed as they are with Hilton Honors points conversion.

From Page 21:

Persons who acquire their ownership interest from the resale market may receive limited Club benefits, including, but not limited to, restrictions on the ability to convert ClubPoints into Hilton Honors Points on an every-use-year basis and on the use of Open Season rental benefits. Interests acquired on the resale market may not qualify for additional benefits, services or recognition programs or tiers.

 

[GT75]

And then there are these statements from page 17:

The HGV Max program has no pre-determined termination date and may continue until such time as Hilton Grand Vacations decides to terminate the program with or without notice.​

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HGV Max benefits are subject to availability and may change from time to time. There is no cash value or redemption for unused HGV Max benefits.​

 

[GT75]

Same thing with all the resellers in the Scotland offices. I wish it was a laughing matter but Hilton is finally doing what the others have done making resales restricted

The Scotland resorts currently still show up on page 15 as qualifying for elite status. (now I am not saying that can not be changed) Surprisingly, the Florida gulf resorts have never been on the list as far back as 2010 (that is my earliest rule book resource).

It is always interesting what can be found (or not found) in the rules.

 

[GMan82]

The Scotland resorts currently still show up on page 15 as qualifying for elite status. (now I am not saying that can not be changed) Surprisingly, the Florida gulf resorts have never been on the list as far back as 2010 (that is my earliest rule book resource).

It is always interesting what can be found (or not found) in the rules.

But is that for retail purchases only?

 

[GT75]

But is that for retail purchases only?

Scotland resorts only have resale (they were originally sold about 30 years ago).

 

[iiderman]

The Scotland resorts currently still show up on page 15 as qualifying for elite status. (now I am not saying that can not be changed) Surprisingly, the Florida gulf resorts have never been on the list as far back as 2010 (that is my earliest rule book resource).

It is always interesting what can be found (or not found) in the rules.

I guess there’s no knowing for sure until you attempt to purchase Scotland today and see what your sales contract confirms. All I can tell you is I did get elite through Southwest Florida resale via HGV sales person but was told that with the new changeover I could not purchase anymore points that would qualify me for the higher tier Centum.

 

[natarajanv]

The Scotland resorts currently still show up on page 15 as qualifying for elite status. (now I am not saying that can not be changed) Surprisingly, the Florida gulf resorts have never been on the list as far back as 2010 (that is my earliest rule book resource).

It is always interesting what can be found (or not found) in the rules.

I see Bay Club as well on page 14

 

[iiderman]

I guess there’s no knowing for sure until you attempt to purchase Scotland today and see what your sales contract confirms. All I can tell you is I did get elite through Southwest Florida resale via HGV sales person but was told that with the new changeover I could not purchase anymore points that would qualify me for the higher tier Centum.

Also to clarify.. I was elite plus with points from ALL developer purchases.. purchased in 2000 and before TUG.. so our developer prices have paid for themselves in the last 22 years. I believe rules are different when you have already purchased some or most of your points retail and then buy in-house resale to get to the next elite level.. this again is all before the HGV Max train wreck

 

[audirt]

10 month booking date for Elite members

Wait... I think I missed something. What is this 10-month window for Elite members? I don't see that outlined on the Club Reference PDF. Sorry if I missed it -- I'm trying to keep up

 

[GT75]

Wait... I think I missed something. What is this 10-month window for Elite members? I don't see that outlined on the Club Reference PDF. Sorry if I missed it -- I'm trying to keep up

Yes, you are way behind. No, seriously, that is current information coming from sales. I would speculate that something might be announced on rule changes on April 15.

 

[audirt]

Yes, you are way behind. No, seriously, that is current information coming from sales. I would speculate that something might be announced on rule changes on April 15.

Welp, guess I'll never get to use my points to go skiing again

 

[CalGalTraveler]

What are the points levels and tiers for elite under the new points system? Do they expect to announce the new benefits on April 15 as well?

 

[audirt]

What are the points levels and tiers for elite under the new points system? Do they expect to announce the new benefits on April 15 as well?

I might ask this in a separate thread, but a salesman once told me that direct family members were allowed to add other direct family members to their deeds. Anyone know if this was/is true? My wife's parents own 5500 (old) retail points. Those points, combined with my current ownership, would put us less than 2k (old) points from the (old) Elite status -- if I can find a way to combine the accounts. (Both ownerships -- mine and theirs --were retail purchases, FWIW.)

 

[PigsDad]

What are the points levels and tiers for elite under the new points system? Do they expect to announce the new benefits on April 15 as well?

What I saw was that they are just adding a new elite level on top of the existing three elite levels, and renaming all of them. I saw the new top level was 100K points, and the second to top was 54K points (which equals the 34K Elite Premier level pre- point inflation).

Kurt

 

[CalGalTraveler]

Thanks Kurt, Do you know the lower tiers for the rest of us? e.g. was it 14,000 old points and 24,000? I can do the 1.6x math but cannot find this easily in the guide or the stickys.