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Do you plan to or have you enrolled in the new points program?

Will you enroll in or have you enrolled in the new points program?

  • Multi-week owner; I have joined or I will join.

    Votes: 181 30.2%
  • Multi-week owner; I will not join

    Votes: 145 24.2%
  • Single-week owner; I have joined or I will join.

    Votes: 46 7.7%
  • Single week owner; I will not join.

    Votes: 114 19.0%
  • I'm still not sure what to do.

    Votes: 113 18.9%

  • Total voters
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inactive blog ??

Bill's message and the subsequest posts are now two months old. I wonder if he will provide a response or at least a comment. I have six weeks and joined.
 

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Okay, we joined the DC too mainly to save fees.
 

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The DC is all about flexibility (of course, at a price)...

Just one note about doing the Sun-Fri then supplementing with a hotel stay for the weekend. We just 'experimented' with 3 nights at NCV (Newport), then two nights a Residence Inn, then a move back into NCV for 7 nights. All the moving, unpacking/repacking, checkins/outs (especially with two young kids and boatload of Costco food) - it was a unique experience, but we may not like to make this into a habit/choice of travel every year as the vacation can be taken up with an abundant amout of 'in-transit' time. If it were just two of us with a couple of small luggages, maybe, it would be less 'disruptive'.

There is no way, I would ever do this unless there is just no other option. We tried a watered down version of this also in the summer; We added only ONE additional front-end night at Crystal shores and had to move rooms because the same view as our subsequent exchange week was not avail. This was only within the same resort, a few doors down on the same floor and it was a HUGE pain. We have 3 young kids and we had to be out by 10 and the other room wasn't ready until 4. It was really a mess. Kids had no where to nap, had to change in the bathrooms....we wasted a day because we had to shop twice since we had no where to put the food while homeless and had to go back out to get more once re-situated. I knew it would be hard, but it was far worse than I had even anticipated. Even travelling as a couple, when I go on vacation, I want to minimize inconveniences.

I have not yet signed up for the DC , but plan to ( still a little reluctant, thus dragging my feet), and I am happy for flexibility. That is definitely worth something to me. What I have always hated most about timesharing is the exchanging and not knowing what view you want and the ordeal it can be if the exact check-in dates are not what you want or trying to secure 2 or more units at a time, which we almost always need and having trouble matching the dates. DC ( albeit still somewhat theoretically) largely reduces the exchange angst and view uncertainty.
 
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Now that the program has been around for awhile, has anyone changed their minds about joining?
 

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Now that the program has been around for awhile, has anyone changed their minds about joining?

I'm still not joining. Don't see any significant additional value for us based on our use. There is certainly no way I can see justifying the conversion cost and additional fee.
 

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No, I've been to 3 presentations and do not see the benefit to me. I have to pay marriott again for something I already own?? They also pull out the scare tactics that there will no longer be Marriott exchanges on II (supply). Won't that increase the trading power of my Marriotts ??? I find the whole thing desperate and I don't mind if I have to trade into a Hyatt, Hilton, Disney, Embassy, etc.
 

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Forgot to mention that at one of the presentations the 'Salesman' explained to me how the system would allow me to stay at a one bedroom marriott in kauai for my 2 bedroom marriott in orlando plus $1500 extra for the premium location. I then explained to him how I got a 1 bedroom oceanview marriott in kauai for my 'lockoff' studio in orlando. They can stick the 'Program'!!!!
 

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This poll should have included the choice:
"My Marriott week(s) are not eligible"
 

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This poll should have included the choice:
"My Marriott week(s) are not eligible"

I really think the whole poll needs to be reset. Those that voted I am not sure what to do, may have now figured it out.
 

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I joined last week. I will have 4 weeks in the system and 3 weeks out of the system, so I should be able to nicely work and test both options going forward to achieve our travel choices. Only two of my 7 weeks are developer weeks, so this allowed me an option to "legitimize" two resale weeks to create a nice chunk of Marriott rewards points, if ever desired. I can still exchange, which is not a process I enjoy or use much, but I have retain the option. I can Rent when feasible and use the proceeds to rent something else, use when we want, and still potentially have plenty of DC club points to put to work to get desired views, locations, and dates....we hope.

Now to start really learning the ins and outs of the plan.

Wish me luck!
 

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Heading over to Maui on Saturday. I really don't think I'm going to do it.

Plus, I need to ask them why they haven't mailed me by deeds yet when I paid for them 2 years ago and last year.
 

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Just met with my rep. I have to say, having Maui as my home resort has really made this Points program look interesting. Being able to trade a week for club points can get me a long way with some of the cheaper properties. I can see why those owner might not like this. After all, they'd need to buy a lot of points to have a shot at staying at one of the high demand resorts.
 

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Diane, I would say you have a pretty good understanding of the fee structure and the way you'll be able to do everything in II.

Yes, it appears that if you enroll in the DC and continue to do the same amount of Marriott-to-Marriott exchanges through II using your lock-offs, then your $165 annual Club Dues will be less than the Marriott/II per/transaction fees you'll be paying if you don't enroll. But in any year if you simply use your one Week as a 7-day home resort stay, which would cost you nothing in transaction fees, you will still have to pay the $165 Club Dues to remain enrolled in the DC (similar to paying II annual fees even in years that you don't exchange.)

Yes, we who have enrolled are able to use the same II interface to search and process exchanges and Getaways in our new/corporate II accounts. There are no fees for Marriott-to-Marriott exchanges; the same II fees will exist for outside-Marriott exchanges.

As you know there are no guarantees that either II or Marriott won't increase fees at any time, and that includes whether or not Club Dues will always be less than per-transaction fees for the particular way you use your Weeks. But you're right in that if they each are raised proportionally then you'll be ahead of the game. If at any time you're not, you can choose to un-enroll from the DC.

Many of us who have enrolled our Week(s) have not purchased additional DC Points but have still managed to use the 800 PlusPoints bonus. You could try to add a couple days to existing reservations, maybe do an unexpected weekend away within driving distance, maybe offer a night or two as a gift to family or friends. The PlusPoints cannot be transferred or banked so their use is limited, but I'm sure we could help you figure out how to use them instead of having them expire.

The one variable that is most unknown at this time is the effect of the DC on availability of both Marriott and II inventory. There are quite a few threads going with folks trying to figure out if we're already seeing effects or will in the future. But my thinking is that if there are adverse effects on availability, enrolled Owners will be able to choose among more usage options to try to counter such effects.

Good luck with your decision. The DC works for some and not for others depending upon what's owned and how it's used most often. Generally speaking it makes less sense for owners of one Week who rarely exchange, and most sense for multi-week Owners who exchange often or want to take advantage of the less-than-7-days-stay opportunities.

This really is a great post.
 

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This really is a great post.


I agree and Sue made it months ago to me and I've still not made a decision. So I'm wondering, Sue to you in particular, do you still stand by your well crafted response or has anything happened to change your mind?

We're at the point where we normally reserve our 2012 year and I'm trying to decide if I want to pay for the DC with cash that is tight this year or not.
 

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Likely will not join the points system

At this point I can't see the advantage to paying to join a points system.
We own one resale purchased week at Hilton Head in an old be very well kept complex. Seems that joining the points system would give us the option of paying more to stay with II and use the Marriott points system as well or dropping II and paying to use the Marriott system. Does not seem like a value to me.

But, not sure I really understand the points system yet, either. Seems like a way for Marriott to make more $$ and take some business from II and/or RCI.
Where is the value in this points system for someone like me?
Thanks!
 

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This really is a great post.

I agree and Sue made it months ago to me and I've still not made a decision. So I'm wondering, Sue to you in particular, do you still stand by your well crafted response or has anything happened to change your mind?

We're at the point where we normally reserve our 2012 year and I'm trying to decide if I want to pay for the DC with cash that is tight this year or not.

Thanks. :) It is difficult to understand everything so I'm glad I could help a little.

Diane, I still think the same as I did then especially with respect to the future of availability of II exchanges. I'm convinced the DC is having a negative effect on it, but don't know if the effects we're seeing now will continue at the same rate. Most of us think that as time goes on and Marriott gets a good idea of how much inventory needs to be available for DC exchanges, then more intervals will be available in II. Right now it seems like Marriott is holding on to intervals and not depositing them into II until 10 months or so before the check-in dates.

You could reserve your 2012 Weeks as usual and hold off on your decision until you're certain. (Just keep in mind that there is a deadline of 6/30 for the current enrollment pricing - no idea if this will be extended again or not.) My 2011 Weeks were already booked when I enrolled and it was no problem to cancel one of those reservations and convert the Week to DC Points.
 

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We own 3 Marriott weeks in US, 2 in Spain, and 2 in Phuket. First issue is that Europe and Asia are not in the DC. Second issue is that you lose value (the same week costs more points than you get for deposit), not that you necessarily would do that, but it shows the "gift" you give to Marriott for the privilege. So, no, we won't join. I think it is bad business and it makes me think less of Marriott as a company.
 

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I've already posted my "NO" for the poll, but I have noticed that the price of marriott resales has dropped since the program began. If you check ebay and other resale markets you will see a firesale going on. I am wondering why marriott is not grabbing them up (ROFR) to expand their inventory for the program? It appears that they would rather have us pay them for their inventory needs...... 'P T Barnum' ~ "One every minute".:ponder:
 

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I've already posted my "NO" for the poll, but I have noticed that the price of marriott resales has dropped since the program began. If you check ebay and other resale markets you will see a firesale going on. I am wondering why marriott is not grabbing them up (ROFR) to expand their inventory for the program? It appears that they would rather have us pay them for their inventory needs...... 'P T Barnum' ~ "One every minute".:ponder:

Until they run out of trust points to sell, they won't be ROFR much.
 

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I have joined but not a good exchange unless you own platinum..the "old" Interval exchange offers a much much better deal to lower value shares. .Marriott has assured me (ha ha) that the inventory to Interval will be the same (ha ha-for how long) so I may still do the exchanges (as I continue to do).
As timeshares (or if and when) gain value again I can see Marriott and others witholding inventory to build up point only sales-it will be their onky option to sell timeshares....soooo if a majority of timeshare owners opt into the program their shares will auto be deposited into the Marriott destination club and we lower value owners are hurting ourselves as near as I see. Id timeshare market still declines for a long time-then we are really in for it (higher maintainence and closing of unsold units- being closed or put into hotel type rentals.
 

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I have joined but not a good exchange unless you own platinum..the "old" Interval exchange offers a much much better deal to lower value shares. .Marriott has assured me (ha ha) that the inventory to Interval will be the same (ha ha-for how long) so I may still do the exchanges (as I continue to do).
As timeshares (or if and when) gain value again I can see Marriott and others witholding inventory to build up point only sales-it will be their onky option to sell timeshares....soooo if a majority of timeshare owners opt into the program their shares will auto be deposited into the Marriott destination club and we lower value owners are hurting ourselves as near as I see. Id timeshare market still declines for a long time-then we are really in for it (higher maintainence and closing of unsold units- being closed or put into hotel type rentals.

I would agree, people who own a few Hawaii weeks or other prime properties can pull off some great exchanges. Those of us with a single or couple of weeks that don't have a bundle of points, don't have nearly as much flexibility unless we want to use up three years of timeshare weeks by banking and borrowing.
 
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