Complimenting HGVC with other Timeshares

[weems637]

We bought HGVC in Orlando years ago for the parks for our boys. Now taking grandbabies. After the boys tired of Orlando, We did an RCI exchange for Wyndham in Panama City. Liked it so much, we did another exchange in Destin. (been there several times at the now Embarc). Wyndham has several properties in the area, so we bought into their system via resale. I've gotten a good tan out of it!

 

[hurnik]

Not sure about cost, but personally if I were to "expand" past HGV, I'd get something Marriott/whatever as there's a lot of locations they have that HGV doesn't, plus II access.

But it will depend on what you want

 

[buzglyd]

Not sure about cost, but personally if I were to "expand" past HGV, I'd get something Marriott/whatever as there's a lot of locations they have that HGV doesn't, plus II access.

But it will depend on what you want

I looked at that but the entry cost into a mandatory Vistana was so low and I was able to use the points system. I still might buy a Marriott week to use as a Marriott trader but I'm not going to spend the money for the system. I was lucky enough to buy my VSN a long time ago and got Abound for nothing.

 

[alwysonvac]

Each timeshare system has their PROs and CONs. If you decide to purchase another system make sure you understand them.

WorldMark does have several resorts in the West (see screen captures below). As with any timeshare system, expect lots of competition at high demand locations and/or peak travel periods.

WorldMark resale does not include access to

• RCI POINTS
• WYNDHAM Resorts via Wyndham Club Pass (see below)
• TravelShare resorts (see below)

From https://worldmark.wyndhamdestinatio...tory/2022-2023-worldmark-resort-directory.pdf

 

[4TimeAway]

Each timeshare system has their PROs and CONs. If you decide to purchase another system make sure you understand them.

WorldMark does have several resorts in the West (see screen captures below). As with any timeshare system, expect lots of competition at high demand locations and/or peak travel periods.

WorldMark resale does not include access to

• RCI POINTS
• WYNDHAM Resorts via Wyndham Club Pass (see below)
• TravelShare resorts (see below)

From https://worldmark.wyndhamdestinatio...tory/2022-2023-worldmark-resort-directory.pdf

I think this thread it TERRIBLE. Now I want another Timeshare. How will I travel more?

WoldMark does really seem to fill a void for me I never knew existed.

How are they with allowing fmaily members to use the timeshare? I have an 18 year old who would probably like to "help" us use our points.

 

[sponger76]

I have an 18 year old who would probably like to "help" us use our points.

You'd have to be careful with this. Each individual resort has their own policy on a minimum age for someone to be able to check in. There are a lot across many brands that won't allow an 18 year old to do so.

 

[4TimeAway]

You'd have to be careful with this. Each individual resort has their own policy on a minimum age for someone to be able to check in. There are a lot across many brands that won't allow an 18 year old to do so.

Interesting.

Wonder if he's on the deed, seems like they can't discrimate against an owner who's an adult.

Old enough to to vote, fight in wars and die, but not old enough to stay in a timeshare he owns.

 

[prajora]

Each timeshare system has their PROs and CONs. If you decide to purchase another system make sure you understand them.

WorldMark does have several resorts in the West (see screen captures below). As with any timeshare system, expect lots of competition at high demand locations and/or peak travel periods.

WorldMark resale does not include access to

• RCI POINTS
• WYNDHAM Resorts via Wyndham Club Pass (see below)
• TravelShare resorts (see below)

From https://worldmark.wyndhamdestinatio...tory/2022-2023-worldmark-resort-directory.pdf


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Thanks for excellent info. It seems World Mark is worth considering for West Coast locations. What will be good WM location to get TS with low price and MF? Any broker who can help in that. Thx

 

[drucifer]

Great question.
1. DVC and Mariott are both more expensive (secondary market buy-in / higher MFs) than I want to bite off. Also, DVC locations are mostly at the Disney parks, and even with a 15-year-old, we have been to Disney World twice, Disney Tokyo once, and taken one Disney Cruise, so in 15 years, we don't consume enough Disney for that to make sense.
2. So next is going slightly down market, and that puts at Worldmark(west)/Wyndham(east), which makes sense to me (good balance of being nice, well maintained, and reasonably priced.) Hyatt might also fit here.
3. After Wyndham and Hyatt, you get into some that are more downmarket and/or not hotel-affiliated (BlueGreen, etc.). With those, they have a reputation for overselling to people who can't afford timeshare, shady practices beyond the usual salesweasel talk, etc. I'd be concerned about special levies or selling them later.

 

[HitchHiker71]

Thanks for excellent info. It seems World Mark is worth considering for West Coast locations. What will be good WM location to get TS with low price and MF? Any broker who can help in that. Thx

Worldmark is a pure points system - called Worldmark Credits, no deeds. There are a few resorts where you can buy a deeded ownership, but those deeds only allow you to book at that resort - not other WM properties.

Resale buyers are exactly the same in terms of rights and benefits provided by the Club - same WM resorts they can book, same ability to book 13 months out at all resorts, same ability to exchange with II and/or RCI, and same cash booking options. Buying Worldmark Credits directly from Wyndham offers a few benefits that you do not receive if you buy resale - access to exchanges directly booked with Worldmark South Pacific and the Club Pass (access to Club Wyndham resorts). Buying resale, as always here on TUG, is recommended.

 

[brp]

Great question.
1. DVC and Mariott are both more expensive (secondary market buy-in / higher MFs) than I want to bite off. Also, DVC locations are mostly at the Disney parks, and even with a 15-year-old, we have been to Disney World twice, Disney Tokyo once, and taken one Disney Cruise, so in 15 years, we don't consume enough Disney for that to make sense.

Yeah, DVC only makes sense for someone who wants to go do Disney and, really, Disney World on a regular basis. We don't have kids, but we go 2-3 times per year because we very much enjoy Disney. But it really only works in that sort of situation.

Cheers.

 

[prajora]

Worldmark is a pure points system - called Worldmark Credits, no deeds. There are a few resorts where you can buy a deeded ownership, but those deeds only allow you to book at that resort - not other WM properties.

Resale buyers are exactly the same in terms of rights and benefits provided by the Club - same WM resorts they can book, same ability to book 13 months out at all resorts, same ability to exchange with II and/or RCI, and same cash booking options. Buying Worldmark Credits directly from Wyndham offers a few benefits that you do not receive if you buy resale - access to exchanges directly booked with Worldmark South Pacific and the Club Pass (access to Club Wyndham resorts). Buying resale, as always here on TUG, is recommended

 

[prajora]

When you book with WM, can you book RCI 1 and II properties? Do you pay same booking fees or less with WM? How much is booking fee for WM properties? Thx

 

[sponger76]

Interesting.

Wonder if he's on the deed, seems like they can't discrimate against an owner who's an adult.

Old enough to to vote, fight in wars and die, but not old enough to stay in a timeshare he owns.

I think the reason a lot of timeshare resorts do it, similar to hotels, is to prevent young people from using it as a place to throw wild parties that cause damage. Apparently younger people are more likely to do that sort of thing. And you, as the owner, could be on the hook for any damages that might arise from that sort of thing.

Up to you if you'd want to spend the time and money to challenge that in court just so your 18 year old can stay in timeshares without you. Keep in mind that there are lots of things that 18 year olds who can vote and fight in wars (I'm in the military myself) can't do, including buy alcohol/cigarettes and rent cars in a lot of places.

 

[GT75]

What will be good WM location to get TS with low price and MF?

When you book with WM, can you book RCI 1 and II properties? Do you pay same booking fees or less with WM? How much is booking fee for WM properties? Thx

I think that you would be must better off asking WM questions in the WM forum.

 

[4TimeAway]

I think the reason a lot of timeshare resorts do it, similar to hotels, is to prevent young people from using it as a place to throw wild parties that cause damage. Apparently younger people are more likely to do that sort of thing. And you, as the owner, could be on the hook for any damages that might arise from that sort of thing.

Up to you if you'd want to spend the time and money to challenge that in court just so your 18 year old can stay in timeshares without you. Keep in mind that there are lots of things that 18 year olds who can vote and fight in wars (I'm in the military myself) can't do, including buy alcohol/cigarettes and rent cars in a lot of places.

I don't plan to worry about it.

Thankfully he's not the type to thow a party like that (currently) and he knows it will be his $$$ paying the bills.

It is amazing how a little skin in the game makes people behave responsibly.

 

[dayooper]

If I were to purchase into another system for my family, I would go either a Marriott trader (Grand Chateau) or Vistana mandatory week. Would give me access to II and those resorts are on par with HGVC. I like the flexibility Hyatt system, but the locations are limited and it seems MVC is driving everybody toward the trust product and removing value from the resale weeks. Ideally, I would purchase a MVC week at the resort next to Ocean Oak, but those are just as expensive as OO weeks. Might as well just buy OO at that price.

As far as the OP, I would rent a couple of Worldmark weeks to see if I liked the resorts and go from there. I would also look at Grand Pacific just because they are on the West Coast. I am wary of any Wyndham product as they seemed to really be pushing resale down. I know Worldmark is owned by Wyndham, but it seems their charter has protections against the dismantling of the system (like Embarc does).

 

[SteelerGal]

Vistana. We own HGVC and MVC/Vistana and a couple of Independents. We are a family of 7 who require 2bdrm. Vistana allows us to trade into Marriotts. We do own a Marriott trader as well but utilize for the harder to get resorts or for prime time Desert weeks.
I have stayed at WM and Wyndham and they tend to be too small for our family

 

[alwysonvac]

When you book with WM, can you book RCI 1 and II properties? Do you pay same booking fees or less with WM? How much is booking fee for WM properties? Thx

Yes, WorldMark is affiliated with both RCI and Interval International (II).
The RCI exchange fee is the same as HGVC.

• II Annual Membership fee is $99, exchange fee is $229, guest certificate is $79
• RCI Annual Membership fee is $109, exchange fee is $289, guest certificate is $89

WorldMark doesn't have a reservation fee but there are housekeeping fees and resort taxes (see links below).

• WM Resort taxes - https://tugbbs.com/forums/attachments/wbw-tax-resort-alerts-pdf.79435/
• WM Housekeeping Fee - https://tugbbs.com/forums/attachments/current-rates-and-fees-pdf.77819/
• WM 2023 Dues (aka MF) - https://tugbbs.com/forums/attachments/wm_2023_dues-pdf.77836/

@prajora 9/29 Update: corrected links above for WM Resort Taxes and 2023 Dues​

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Here's an example.​

WorldMark Anaheim is expensive to book. I see $313 in fees for a one bedroom unit.

I looked it up on the website's resort gallery and saw the reason for the high fees. 15% tax + occupancy tax of $28.09 a night. I was hoping to book for us and our kids, but the fees are too high to even consider it for now.

tugbbs.com

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The TUG ADVICE page provides a basic overview on WorldMark.
- https://tug2.net/timeshare_advice/worldmark-the-club-timeshare-information-overview.html

Additional information can also be found in the sticky thread under the TUG WorldMark Forum - https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/worldmark-information-and-advice-articles.59141/

 

[Mongoose]

Interesting.

Wonder if he's on the deed, seems like they can't discrimate against an owner who's an adult.

Old enough to to vote, fight in wars and die, but not old enough to stay in a timeshare he owns.

It’s accepted and common, even in the hotel industry. Many car rental companies require you to be in their 20’s.

 

[alwysonvac]

Tug member Clifbell has posted several WM resort videos.
They can be found under the TUG WorldMark Forum. Just use the search function.

Here's his latest.

Studio at Worldmark Windsor review in Windsor California

Located 40 Minutes from the Pacific ocean and about 2 hours north of San Francisco sits the Worldmark Windsor in Windsor, California. What I love about the Studio is that it has all the features of the one bedroom except the bedroom is in the living room(and it folds up during the day). You...

tugbbs.com

 

[prajora]

Yes, WorldMark is affiliated with both RCI and Interval International (II).
The RCI exchange fee is the same as HGVC.

• II Annual Membership fee is $99, exchange fee is $229, guest certificate is $79
• RCI Annual Membership fee is $109, exchange fee is $289, guest certificate is $89

WorldMark doesn't have a reservation fee but there are housekeeping fees and resort taxes (see links below).

• WM Resort taxes - https://tugbbs.com/forums/attachments/ii_fees_01012023_final-pdf.77951/
• WM Housekeeping Fee - https://tugbbs.com/forums/attachments/current-rates-and-fees-pdf.77819/
• WM 2023 Dues (aka MF) - https://tugbbs.com/forums/attachments/current-rates-and-fees-pdf.77819/

Here's an example.​

WorldMark Anaheim is expensive to book. I see $313 in fees for a one bedroom unit.

I looked it up on the website's resort gallery and saw the reason for the high fees. 15% tax + occupancy tax of $28.09 a night. I was hoping to book for us and our kids, but the fees are too high to even consider it for now.

tugbbs.com

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The TUG ADVICE page provides a basic overview on WorldMark.
- https://tug2.net/timeshare_advice/worldmark-the-club-timeshare-information-overview.html

Additional information can also be found in the sticky thread under the TUG WorldMark Forum - https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/worldmark-information-and-advice-articles.59141/

 

[prajora]

Thanks so much. This is the information I was looking for. Appreciate it,

 

[dioxide45]

IIf you use getaways, last call or extra vacations, I think the best complementing system is one that exchanges through a different exchange company. This is what we recently did when acquiring a Club Wyndham contract. It will fgive us access to a different set of resorts that we can't currently book through Interval International getaways with our Marriott and Vistana ownership. If you don't usually book those types of weeks, then the best complimenting system is probably the one that has resorts in locations you most want to go to. The top five systems (HGVC, Hyatt, Wyndham, Marriott, Sheraton/Vistana) are all mostly comparable in terms of quality with perhaps wyndham being a notch down from the others. There are certain systems I would never buy into on the resale market and thus I didn't list them previously in this post.

 

[sigpijwu]

bBeing in northern CA, Worldmark has been great. Lots of drivable getaways like Yosemite, Tahoe and Monterey and lots of other places in the west coast. It compliments my HGVC ownership well. Places aren’t as high end but they are really nice rooms and great locations.