[Closed - new thread started] Will Hawaii Open by [OCTOBER???] [Please use this thread for all Hawaii Coronavirus discussions]

[slip]

Latest data is promising. 100 new cases reported. Here is the graph. Give it another 1-2 weeks.

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Do we have any other choice but to wait two more weeks?

 

[csodjd]

Do we have any other choice but to wait two more weeks?

What is your impression about Labor Day weekend? Is it going to result in another spike, or were residents complying well as best you can tell? That may be the difference between opening and not opening.

 

[slip]

What is your impression about Labor Day weekend? Is it going to result in another spike, or were residents complying well as best you can tell? That may be the difference between opening and not opening.

I only went grocery shopping and a short ride around Waikiki so that observation won’t help much.

But in all the conferences I have listened to from the Mayors, Governor and Lt. Governor, I haven’t heard anything that would even suggest that they will allow Trans-Pacific travel on October 1st. So my guess is that it will be extended to November 1st. I will guess that it will be announced late next week or early the week after next. Only my opinion so it’s not worth much.

 

[Tamaradarann]

What is your impression about Labor Day weekend? Is it going to result in another spike, or were residents complying well as best you can tell? That may be the difference between opening and not opening.

I understand your focus on the infection rate and the Labor Day weekend in Hawaii since you have plans coming up to go there. However, there are some other questions in my mind. Did Labor Day cause another spike in the entire US? How is the opening of schools across the US in September going to effect infection rates? Remember Hawaii had only a few cases from March-June but the 14 day quarantine was put in effect due to the high number of cases across the US.

 

[ljmiii]

Additional 'Good News' for Hawaii is that the recent surge in testing did *not* result in a surge in cases.

(Data is through 9/9...it's still too early for today's data to be reflected)

 

[ljmiii]

However, there are some other questions in my mind. Did Labor Day cause another spike in the entire US?...

We'll know toward the end of next week. Figuring about a week for symptoms to develop inspiring people to get tested and another 3-4 days to get test results back from the lab.

How is the opening of schools across the US in September going to effect infection rates?

Great question. I've been trying to find an August opening state that had most kids return to school *and* has continued to be serious about testing and thus far come up empty. Florida is out since they have gone from over 65K tests per day to below 20K. And I haven't been able to get good data about the percentage of students returning to school in other 'early' states that have maintained testing.

I don't know about Long Island but north of the city many districts are going all remote learning and those that are going 'back to school' are easing into it - our kids will attend one day of school in September.

 

[Tamaradarann]

We'll know toward the end of next week. Figuring about a week for symptoms to develop inspiring people to get tested and another 3-4 days to get test results back from the lab.

We would love to back to Honolulu. We won't go back until there is no quarantine. Even when the quarantine is lifted we don't want to go back until Honolulu is somewhat back to the way it was so we can resume the lifestyle that we love when we are there. We are not beach, water activities, hiking type people. Hawaii is so dependent on Tourism to restart their economy and start to make Honolulu the way it was that I am less concerned about the actual numbers in Hawaii than I am about the numbers in the rest of the US.


Great question. I've been trying to find an August opening state that had most kids return to school *and* has continued to be serious about testing and thus far come up empty. Florida is out since they have gone from over 65K tests per day to below 20K. And I haven't been able to get good data about the percentage of students returning to school in other 'early' states that have maintained testing.

I don't know about Long Island but north of the city many districts are going all remote learning and those that are going 'back to school' are easing into it - our kids will attend one day of school in September.

The schools are open on Long Island. Already many of the Colleges that have opened are seeing many cases. Going back one day in September seems ridiculous. Why have all those kids and teachers to possibly be exposed to the virus for ONE DAY OF SCHOOL?

 

[travelhacker]

We'll know toward the end of next week. Figuring about a week for symptoms to develop inspiring people to get tested and another 3-4 days to get test results back from the lab.

Great question. I've been trying to find an August opening state that had most kids return to school *and* has continued to be serious about testing and thus far come up empty. Florida is out since they have gone from over 65K tests per day to below 20K. And I haven't been able to get good data about the percentage of students returning to school in other 'early' states that have maintained testing.

I don't know about Long Island but north of the city many districts are going all remote learning and those that are going 'back to school' are easing into it - our kids will attend one day of school in September.

Colorado has had quite a few in person students (not all districts), but a good chunk open since August 17th. There has not been an increase in cases. Overall, new case count has gone down since then.

There have been a lot of high schools that have had a student or two, some middle schools and some elementary schools. There really haven't been outbreaks that have been seen yet, but we'll see how that goes as the school year goes on.

Personally, I think the elementary model (1 teacher 20 students spaced away from each other for most of the day) is a lot more sustainable than High School where you have thousands of kids walking through halls to get to their next class.

 

[csodjd]

Lt. Gov. just said he believes they can and will open up October 1. He said they are working on details, including testing and possibly an option for two antigen tests (fast), but he doesn't see Oct. 1 being a big problem as things stand right now. I think this is the link to it, he says it about 6:25 into this:

www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1875428385942999&extid=3z4pMXnKoU6dOeYF

 

[rickandcindy23]

Lt. Gov. just said he believes they can and will open up October 1. He said they are working on details, including testing and possibly an option for two antigen tests (fast), but he doesn't see Oct. 1 being a big problem as things stand right now. I think this is the link to it, he says it about 6:25 into this:

www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1875428385942999&extid=3z4pMXnKoU6dOeYF

I will believe it when I see it. We will be going in February, and hopefully Hawaii will be open by 2/15. That is our arrival date. Fingers crossed.

 

[csodjd]

I will believe it when I see it. We will be going in February, and hopefully Hawaii will be open by 2/15. That is our arrival date. Fingers crossed.

I'd imagine we will have to hear from the Governor one way or the other sometime in the next week, maybe sooner. It's only about 20 days from the current opening date. It'll be interesting to see how many actually can and do come the first few weeks after opening given the lack of much advance notice, lack of certainty, the need to get a test and quick results, etc. - not to mention the challenges once they arrive (closed restaurants, etc.) I find it unlikely that, even if they stick with Oct 1, that'll result in more than a few hundred people in the first week or two.

 

[Tamaradarann]

I'd imagine we will have to hear from the Governor one way or the other sometime in the next week, maybe sooner. It's only about 20 days from the current opening date. It'll be interesting to see how many actually can and do come the first few weeks after opening given the lack of much advance notice, lack of certainty, the need to get a test and quick results, etc. - not to mention the challenges once they arrive (closed restaurants, etc.) I find it unlikely that, even if they stick with Oct 1, that'll result in more than a few hundred people in the first week or two.

You did hear that the Hilton Hawaiian Village, the largest Resort in Hawaii, is closed until December 15th. They are probably hoping to open for the Christmas/New Years Peak Event Weeks. While there are certainly other resorts open, that is the one we normal stay at.

 

[amy241]

You did hear that the Hilton Hawaiian Village, the largest Resort in Hawaii, is closed until December 15th. They are probably hoping to open for the Christmas/New Years Peak Event Weeks. While there are certainly other resorts open, that is the one we normal stay at.

I heard all of the Hilton Grand Vacation Club resorts (except Hokulani) are presently closed in Hawaii but have not heard any reopening dates. We are holding a reservation for HGV Kings Land on the Big Island for December. I don’t know if we will be receiving a cancellation notice soon or not.

 

[frank808]

I heard all of the Hilton Grand Vacation Club resorts (except Hokulani) are presently closed in Hawaii but have not heard any reopening dates.

You can try moving your reservations to Kohala Suites or Bay Club as they are open right now.

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[amy241]

You can try moving your reservations to Kohala Suites or Bay Club as they are open right now.

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Thanks for the suggestion. I have only 5000 points to work with so I have to see if that will work for our dates.

 

[csodjd]

You did hear that the Hilton Hawaiian Village, the largest Resort in Hawaii, is closed until December 15th. They are probably hoping to open for the Christmas/New Years Peak Event Weeks. While there are certainly other resorts open, that is the one we normal stay at.

Curious because I just changed some reservations I had in the Grand Islander (canceled them) into the Lagoon Tower (made them) for Oct 26 - Nov 7. Had no problem booking the room and received my confirmation.

Edit: Here is what it says on the website. I gather from that message that it's closed and awaiting opening when they can.

 

[csodjd]

Updated data is, again, fairly promising.

Infection rate is down to 2.4% over the past 7 days:

ICU beds remain very available. 244 total beds, 50 being used by COVID (about 100 being used by non-COVID), and that number is staying stable.

7-day trend on cases remains downward:

 

[csodjd]

One more bit of going the right direction. Rt is remaining below 1.0. This implies a slowing infections, which is what is being seen. IF (big if?) Labor Day weekend didn't/doesn't screw up the momentum, this should bode well for Hawaii as October continues with Honolulu restricted to essential businesses.

 

[Tamaradarann]

Curious because I just changed some reservations I had in the Grand Islander (canceled them) into the Lagoon Tower (made them) for Oct 26 - Nov 7. Had no problem booking the room and received my confirmation.

Edit: Here is what it says on the website. I gather from that message that it's closed and awaiting opening when they can.

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Did you book on line or by phone? I just went on line again and see NO Availability until December 15th.

 

[jabberwocky]

Did you book on line or by phone? I just went on line again and see NO Availability until December 15th.

I just checked as well. Nothing available until Dec. 15th online.

 

[csodjd]

Did you book on line or by phone? I just went on line again and see NO Availability until December 15th.

I booked on-line on 9-4. They even charged the $69 reservation fee.

I too just went on the website and, as you say, it no longer allows the booking. Instead, this comes up. Note the new check-in rules they have there.

 

[csodjd]

This story today:

HONOLULU, Hawaii (HawaiiNewsNow) - There are just three days left to get a free COVID-19 test on Oahu as surge testing wraps up Monday. As of Thursday, nearly 34,000 surge tests were administered, with only 187 coming back positive. Experts say that indicates COVID-19 is likely not spreading rapidly in the community.

That's a remarkably low infection rate, 187 out of 34,000. Makes me wonder where the 167 new cases came from?

 

[PearlCity]

Well. Lt gov is positive https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/...-tested-covid-after-positive-case-his-office/



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[jabberwocky]

This story today:

HONOLULU, Hawaii (HawaiiNewsNow) - There are just three days left to get a free COVID-19 test on Oahu as surge testing wraps up Monday. As of Thursday, nearly 34,000 surge tests were administered, with only 187 coming back positive. Experts say that indicates COVID-19 is likely not spreading rapidly in the community.

That's a remarkably low infection rate, 187 out of 34,000. Makes me wonder where the 167 new cases came from?

I think the surge totals are being counted in a separate bucket from the regular testing they are doing (from contact tracing and those with symptoms.). The total cases include the surge tests, but the surge test totals don’t include those from contact tracing.

This probably partly explains the large drop in the positivity rate and why we are starting to see it rise again.

If true this is good news. It means that they can probably open up and that they are chasing down the cases with contact tracing. I’m particularly pleased they the hospitalization figures are staying within reasonable bounds.

 

[csodjd]

I think the surge totals are being counted in a separate bucket from the regular testing they are doing (from contact tracing and those with symptoms.). The total cases include the surge tests, but the surge test totals don’t include those from contact tracing.

This probably partly explains the large drop in the positivity rate and why we are starting to see it rise again.

If true this is good news. It means that they can probably open up and that they are chasing down the cases with contact tracing. I’m particularly pleased they the hospitalization figures are staying within reasonable bounds.

Yes, ICU figures have been very stable over many weeks, suggesting that even if people are getting COVID, they are getting less serious cases. But that’s been the case with Hawaii all along, as it’s deaths per capita continues to be among the lowest in the US since pretty much day 1. Whether that’s because there’s more outside transmission (with lower viral loads?) or a more resistant population (genetic or other innate differences in susceptibility?) or something else, I don’t know.