Changes coming to VIP

[persia]

I almost got this guy on eBay to agree to call himself my father in law, came close to a deal, but in the end he didn't agree before the auction ended.

What way? What path? What resort?

can you post a link to your prior posts on this topic?

The thing I've been offered twice at Glacier Canyon is they would take my resale dinged contracts, I would buy some more points and they would give me a totally new contract with the combined point total of my resale contracts plus the new points. Not strictly kosher, but apparently doable.

 

[timeos2]

I almost got this guy on eBay to agree to call himself my father in law, came close to a deal, but in the end he didn't agree before the auction ended.



The thing I've been offered twice at Glacier Canyon is they would take my resale dinged contracts, I would buy some more points and they would give me a totally new contract with the combined point total of my resale contracts plus the new points. Not strictly kosher, but apparently doable.

And IMO still WAY too much $ for extremely limited, non guaranteed & non-resellable "benefits ". You're way ahead with cheap/free resale points & proper use of the system. Then you can virtually give them away when you're done - no big loss.

 

[rrlongwell]

I almost got this guy on eBay to agree to call himself my father in law, came close to a deal, but in the end he didn't agree before the auction ended.



The thing I've been offered twice at Glacier Canyon is they would take my resale dinged contracts, I would buy some more points and they would give me a totally new contract with the combined point total of my resale contracts plus the new points. Not strictly kosher, but apparently doable.

This is OK by Wyndham Sales Staff (not the father-in-law trick) I do not know why they do it sometimes and sometimes they do not. One sales rep told me that the Sales Staff has lists of resort units they want back. If you are lucky enough to own one or more of these units re-sale, I think that is when the offer is made.

An interesting challage to the TUG Owner and Moderator's. How many have VIP Status with Wyndham or equilvanant Status with a competitor? Denise and Brian: Would you like to go 1st to set the example?

 

[jjmanthei05]

I just got a second email from Wyndham about my being VIP-

http://media.wyndhamvo.com/insider/clubwyndham/2012/February/landing_vip.html

????

The best part about that insider post is remove the "_Vip" from the address and see the change in the top section. Just funny to read... The weird thing about this is I have been getting wyndham rewards emails to my personal address which has the name William Kraft listed on them but I have no idea who that is. I wonder if that is why i am getting the VIP emails as well?

Jason

 

[Culli]

I just got this email from Franz. It is says how he wants "me" to get the most out of my VIP membership. The only problem is I bought resale so I am approximately 300,000 points away from VIP. Did anyone else (non VIP types) get this?

Jason

View attachment 1066

I had to dig through my deleted emails but yes I got the exact same email. I signed on to my account and sadly I'm just a 651k pt lonely Club Wyndham Plus owner no vip

 

[jjmanthei05]

I had to dig through my deleted emails but yes I got the exact same email. I signed on to my account and sadly I'm just a 651k pt lonely Club Wyndham Plus owner no vip

It doesn't matter to much for you since you put all your points into RCI anyway...lol

Jason

 

[Culli]

It doesn't matter to much for you since you put all your points into RCI anyway...lol

Jason

Well not all of them but yes I did put a bunch into RCI :rofl:

 

[DrBopp]

This is from the Wyndham Online Learning Center

Home/ Help and Learn/ Online Learning Center/ Understanding Ownership

VIP BENEFITS AT A GLANCE
What is it?

Be sure to take full advantage of the exclusive benefits and enhanced service you receive as a CLUB WYNDHAM® Plus VIP. Refer to the VIP chart shown below for a complete listing and description of your benefits.

Show me

Exclusive Vacation Planning Benefits CLUB WYNDHAM Silver Owner
300,000 - 499,999 Points CLUB WYNDHAM Gold Owner
500,000 - 999,999 Points CLUB WYNDHAM Platinum Owner
1,000,000 Points or More
Points Discounts within 60 Days of Check-in1
25% 35% 50%
CLUB WYNDHAM Plus Resort Unit Upgrades/Instant Upgrade Feature1,3,8
Within 30 days of check-in date Within 45 days of check-in date Within 60 days of check-in date
Worldwide External Exchange Deposit Unit Size Upgrades (value & quiet demand deposits)1
Yes Yes
RCI® Instant Search and Book Feature
Search and book with the amount of CLUB WYNDHAM Plus points immediately available in your account – without making a deposit.
Yes Yes
Complimentary Guest Confirmations
Five (5) 10 15 per 1,000,000 eligible points4
Advance Reservation Policy - Associate Locations1
Two (2) times per year Four (4) times per year Unlimited
Reciprocal Advance Reservation Priority1,5,6
One (1) time per year Two (2) times per year
Ability to Reserve Specific Units1,2
Yes Yes
Adventures Trips
Yes Yes Yes
Extended PlusPartners® Booking Window1
10 months to 45 days in advance of travel date
Free Reservation Transactions
Yes Yes
Points Credit Pool Extension
Up to six (6) months after Use Year Start Date Up to nine (9) months after Use Year Start Date
Unlimited Housekeeping Credits
Yes Yes Yes
Special Benefits During Your Stay at Wyndham Vacation Resorts-managed locations!
Early Check-in (Starting at 2:00 p.m.)1,2,9
Yes Yes Yes
Midweek "Clean and Tidy"2,9
Yes Yes
Exclusive VIP Check-in Area1,2,9
Yes Yes Yes
Complimentary USA Today every weekday a.m. and a local weekend newspaper1,2,9 Yes Yes
Extra Benefits!
Extra Referral Rewards7
Received when your eligible CLUB WYNDHAM Referral joins the CLUB WYNDHAM Plus family.
$300 American Express Reward Card or 50,000 Wyndham Rewards Points $300 American Express Reward Card or 50,000 Wyndham Rewards Points $300 American Express Reward Card or 50,000 Wyndham Rewards Points
Exclusive Toll-Free Reservation Hotline
Yes Yes Yes
VIP ID Card
Yes Yes Yes
Resort Specials Notification
Yes Yes Yes
Avis® and Budget Benefits Package
Yes Yes
CLUB WYNDHAM Plus Points Conversion to Maintenance Dollars
Up to six (6) months from Use Year Start Date Up to nine (9) months from Use Year Start Date All during the Use Year
Perks by CLUB WYNDHAM® Renewal
Yes Yes
New! VIPeek10
Yes Yes Yes
New! VIP Merchandise Collection
Access to purchase a variety of logoed merchandise to show off your CLUB WYNDHAM VIP status.
Yes Yes Yes
New! CLUB WYNDHAM VIP Now Benefits
Yes Yes Yes
New! Cruising the Good Life (Annual VIP Cruise)11
Yes Yes
New! Quarterly CEO Updates
Yes
1Subject to availability
2Available only at Wyndham Vacation Resorts-managed locations
3Upgrades are available within the same resort only, limit of one (1) upgrade per reservation apply
4Eligible points are points associated with ownership interests purchased directly through Wyndham Vacation Resorts or its affiliates, Bonus Points and PIC Plus Points
5The following holidays/special events are blacked out for this benefit: Easter/Spring Break, Fourth of July, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's Eve and June through August at Myrtle Beach locations.
6Eligible Reciprocal resorts include non-CLUB WYNDHAM® Presidential Reserve Suites at UDI locations.
7Some states limit or prohibit participation in CLUB WYNDHAM Referrals.
8 Available only at CLUB WYNDHAM Plus Resorts.
9 Not applicable when a guest is traveling without the VIP Member.
10 VIPeek participants are randomly selected.
11 Cruise can only be redeemed through cash and not through use of points.
VIP Program Benefits are subject to change without notice.

Be wise

"Don't forget about your VIP benefit of receiving discounts on reservations booked 60 days or less from the check-in date. You will also receive this benefit when making reservations online!"
… from Adria, Vacation Planning Center Supervisor, Redmond, Washington

 

[DrBopp]

Here's the link

I apologize fot the bad link.... Didn't realize I was logged in when I posted.



Gordon

 

[Doug7856]

I received the email regarding enhanced benefits this morning and wondered what enhancements I might be missing (154K resale) and I'm glad there's nothing that I'm interested in. I can't believe a quarterly email is listed as a benefit. Really, an email is a benefit. I think not.

I purchased my points from a member on TUG in 2010 and we've enjoyed our $400 purchase so far! Don't see any need for VIP status.

 

[tugimsote]

Thanks. Got it. From the way they worded it, maybe existing members that are not VIP Status but have VIP eligable points may be grandfathered also. It talks in terms of "New Member". That could be new members to Club Wyndham Plus/Access or new members to VIP Status. I hope it is the former.

If I purchase resale points will that make me eligible for any of the VPI levels? During one of their "presentations" a salesman told us that we could 'pass down' our points/vpi status to our heirs. Can Wyndham tell the difference between an heir or just a resale purchase?

 

[timeos2]

If I purchase resale points will that make me eligible for any of the VPI levels? During one of their "presentations" a salesman told us that we could 'pass down' our points/vpi status to our heirs. Can Wyndham tell the difference between an heir or just a resale purchase?

No.

Yes.

VIP is a joke - don't ever pay to get it as you'll NEVER get the cost back in the non-transferable and non-guaranteed "benefits". You can get all the points you'll ever want or need virtually for free now on resale. No reason whatsoever to ever pay incredibly inflated price for retail points that are worth less than $.01 each the minute the rescind period ends.

Don't fall for it. Look around for all the threads on the negative changes to the VIP program and the value of Wyndham points. They are at or near zero resale. That despite the fact that it's a great system but poorly managed and the only way to get value is to go resale OR just rent.

 

[Cheryl20772]

I'm a 308K point vip and I still have not received any emails about these supposed changes. I would have been livid if it's wasn't being reported that we would be grandfathered in to the new structure.

On another hand, this month I have recieved two different snail mail letters offering me preapproved loans of $25K to purchase additional "ownership interest".

The interest rate being offered is anywhere between 11.49% to 17.99%. The "lender" is listed as one of the following: Towers on the Grove, Reunion Grande and Villas, Emerald Grande, or Smugglers' Notch Management Company. Sorry, though, I am not interested

I continue to wonder why we didn't get this vip info email? Thank goodness for TUG. I won't have to stare slack mouthed if a sales rep later asks me if I know about the changes to VIP.

 

[persia]

90%+ of the points that have reached Ebay are already marked resale. Once points are marked resale there is no way back, it can't be undone. Transfer of points to relatives is possible and there are people who have lied about relationships and succeed in transferring points without getting the resale mark, but it really is questionable morally and legally.

If I purchase resale points will that make me eligible for any of the VPI levels? During one of their "presentations" a salesman told us that we could 'pass down' our points/vpi status to our heirs. Can Wyndham tell the difference between an heir or just a resale purchase?

 

[Cheryl20772]

90%+ of the points that have reached Ebay are already marked resale. Once points are marked resale there is no way back, it can't be undone. Transfer of points to relatives is possible and there are people who have lied about relationships and succeed in transferring points without getting the resale mark, but it really is questionable morally and legally.

Wyndham can and very well may require the new owner to present a death certificate and/or obituary showing the relationship for qualification for VIP inheritance.

 

[rrlongwell]

Wyndham can and very well may require the new owner to present a death certificate and/or obituary showing the relationship for qualification for VIP inheritance.

A couple of years ago, when I took over the Estate timeshares with Wyndham, I was required to provide the appropriate legal documents showing I was related.

 

[vacationhopeful]

Wyndham can and very well may require the new owner to present a death certificate and/or obituary showing the relationship for qualification for VIP inheritance.

I only have 1 word: PHOTOSHOP.

 

[ace2000]

I only have 1 word: PHOTOSHOP.

I only have 1 word: FRAUD.

 

[vacationhopeful]

My intended point was that as a security measure, a document such as a newspaper clipping is NOT A SECURE GOVERNMENT DOCUMENT. If a business has a valuable feature passed on by secession of linage, it should require something that can not be generated by a 3rd grader and a printer.

rrlongwell's post about certified death certificates and wills probated by the courts is more likely used/required by a major corporation.

 

[rickandcindy23]

I only have 1 word: FRAUD.

I agree, and the PCC's are doing something to get some of these transferred. They make more money, if they can transfer VIP in the sale.

But it is also not right that Wyndham sells the product and doesn't allow status in the transfer. It devalues the product, while the salespeople are telling you how valuable it is. How assinine!

I always feel like playing the SNL game, "Really? Really? Oh, Really?" with the salespeople, when they tell you how much value this benefit has.

"But the benefit is not transferrable? Really? I cannot sell this benefit, should I want out? Really? So it's going to have no more value than the free eBay timeshares, if I resell? Really? Oh, Really? Why would I buy from you then, I mean REALLY!"

That word is so funny and seems to lose its meaning when used so many times. :rofl:

 

[jjmanthei05]

The fun part would be to put a quantifiable number to VIP benefits because everything a VIP gets (besides the news paper) can be gotten with resale for an extra fee(Housekeeping and reservation transactions) or Extra points (early check-in, upgrades and discounts). I have been to lazy to sit down and figure out what would the maximum potential benefit you could get out of VIP and the ROI if nothing changed on the VIP side which we all have seen happens regularly. I think the best you could probably get out of it is maybe 10 to 15 years.

Jason

 

[am1]

But it is also not right that Wyndham sells the product and doesn't allow status in the transfer. It devalues the product, while the salespeople are telling you how valuable it is. How assinine!

If VIP transferred then everyone would be VIP. Wyndham has the right to not let VIP transfer. It does hurt people who do not know what they are getting into and then sell. It is great for people who keep their ownership.

It separates resale and retail points. Yes resale points sell for $1. Points that are VIP eligible do not. So when someone purchases retail they do not lose 90% of what they paid once the recession period is over. This is one of many points that the anti-Wyndham VIP crowd on here do not get.

 

[ace2000]

wrong location...

 

[jjmanthei05]

If VIP transferred then everyone would be VIP. Wyndham has the right to not let VIP transfer. It does hurt people who do not know what they are getting into and then sell. It is great for people who keep their ownership.

It separates resale and retail points. Yes resale points sell for $1. Points that are VIP eligible do not. So when someone purchases retail they do not lose 90% of what they paid once the recession period is over. This is one of many points that the anti-Wyndham VIP crowd on here do not get.

Don't put me in the anti-vip crowd but I think your 90% figure is probably pretty close. Say there was a way around the system (forged death certificate, adoption, ect) what would you be willing to pay for VIP benefits as a resale buyer? if you had the choice would you be paying someone $50,000 for VIP gold benefits? I would think the price would be closer to $10 to $20/k that include VIP. That is significantly more than they are going for now but still no where close to what Wyndham charges.

Jason

 

[ronparise]

Wyndham can and very well may require the new owner to present a death certificate and/or obituary showing the relationship for qualification for VIP inheritance.

according to the small print on page 287 of the current directory "Only Club Wyndham points associated with ownership interests purchase directly through Wyndhamor its affliates, ownership interests aquire by will or intestate succession, ownership interests aquired by "Immediate Relative" of Members, or through PIC conversion count toward VIP status"

so thats 4 ways to get VIP status

1) ownership interests purchase directly through Wyndhamor its affliates
2) ownership interests aquire by will or intestate succession
3) ownership interests aquired by "immediate Relative" of Members
4) through PIC conversion

regardong #2 If I aquire an ownership via a will; certainly I have to prove that the prior owner is dead...but I dont have to prove that I was related to him to keep the VIP status of the account

There is no requirement that the new owner has to have been related to the prior, now dead owner