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I'm not trying to get benefits for anybody other than myself, I just wouldn't mind if someone else got something similar to me as long as the program worked. I'd be more concerned about too many people getting into the Elite program really impacting other benefits (like early check-in/late check-out), than allowing unused rooms to be used by anybody at the resort on a given week.
I'm with you half way on this paragraph. I agree with the first half, but dissagree that the program would work.

Also, you seem to be assuming the unused room is "free". Remember, an upgrade is supposed to be for unit size only, so these "free" upgrades are from studio to 1BR. This is not free. In fact, the cost almost doubles. Going from a 1BR IV to a 1BR OV... now THAT is free. But what is currently defined as an upgrade is not free.

IMHO, our MFs would go through the roof, because all the most expensive units to maintain would have incredibly high occupancy rates and the cheapest units to maintain would have the lowest occupancy.

Again, it's an altruistic suggestion that earns you points on the "good guy" scale, but financially speaking, it's a bomb and could even cost the very people you're trying to help the ability to own. The MFs could get so high as to be unaffordable for many.
 

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The daily usage cost of a 1BR are almost twice that of a studio. Your basis for offering upgrades seems to assume the cost of staying in a studio or 1BR are comparable.

Other than AC usage (which itself is quite variable, depending upon individual considerations), explain to me how they are not. Are additional towels used? Additional housekeeping? Additional water?

Any "extra" costs with regard to furniture, etc. were incurred at the resort's inception; they are sunken costs. Any additional costs required by them will be incremental (according to the mathematical usage of the word) and will be reflected in the MFs (which vary incrementally according to square footage).

Your altruistic suggestion would cost us quite a bit of money each year.

And upgrading elites to better rooms would not, in the end, cost non-elite owners additional money for benefits of which they not the recipients?? How is this fair to the non-elite owners, taken on a resort-by-resort basis? Should I, as a WKORV owner, either have to pay higher MFs (for your upgrades) or get jammed out of a better room simply because you, as an elite, own at Harborside -- a completely unrelated resort?
 

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Other than AC usage (which itself is quite variable, depending upon individual considerations), explain to me how they are not. Are additional towels used? Additional housekeeping? Additional water?
Set yourself up why don't you! :D

Additonal towels? Yes, I believe more towels are provided in a 1BR than a studio.

Additional housekeeping? Absolutely! Unless you're trying to maintain that cleaning one room of 500 square feet takes exactly the same effort as cleaning two rooms and a full kitchen of 900 square feet. :p

Additional water? No

The furniture, carpeting, counter tops, appliances, etc... takes a beating with each guest. Yes, I realize YOU take care of things when YOU are there, but the wear and tear needs to be averaged over the number of stays. Believe it or not, all these "things" wear out faster when the unit is used more. ;) There are more "things" in a 1BR unit than a studio.

Any "extra" costs with regard to furniture, etc. were incurred at the resort's inception; they are sunken costs. Any additional costs required by them will be incremental (according to the mathematical usage of the word) and will be reflected in the MFs (which vary incrementally according to square footage).
This is only true if you assume they will never replace anything on a room by room basis. Once one thing in one room needs replacing the entire resort will be renovated. Only then can you take a single snapshot at inception of the cost and maintain equality with the rest of the facility.

If units need to be "refreshed" your "sunken cost" argument goes out the window because now the extra wear and tear has added a cost outside those "sunken costs".

This is really a simple concept if you just give me the benefit of the doubt for a minute.

Did you ever notice that people change their kitchens and bathrooms way more often then their bedrooms? That's because kitchens and bathrooms are high traffic areas. They wear out faster. People try to take care of their homes... they really do. But usage is usage. Stuff wears out and breaks. Although we spend A LOT of time in a bedroom, we really don't wear things out... other than the blankets, sheets and mattress.

Same thing applies to 1BR units if everyone were upgraded into them. They'd wear out faster than the studios because they'd simply be used more. And since there are more things to wear out in them, it costs much more than wearing out a studio. Hence, each stay in a 1BR costs more in maintenance than each stay in a studio.

Therefore, our MFs would go through the roof if they started to upgrade everyone.

And upgrading elites to better rooms would not, in the end, cost non-elite owners additional money for benefits of which they not the recipients?? How is this fair to the non-elite owners, taken on a resort-by-resort basis? Should I, as a WKORV owner, either have to pay higher MFs (for your upgrades) or get jammed out of a better room simply because you, as an elite, own at Harborside -- a completely unrelated resort?
Answering the last first... Harborside is not a completely unrelated resort. It's in the SVN and you, as a WKORV owner, have as much right to their facilities as they have to ours (I own all my weeks at WKORV).

Yes, my upgrade as a 5* costs you money. No doubt about it. Perhaps thats just another reason Starwood was trying to kill the benefit.

Compared to the differences multi-week owners enjoy in other networks, this upgrade cost forced on the masses is small potatoes, but it is a cost. The only savior is that most people are NOT elite, and if you consider most elites (like everyone else) vacation during peak times, they don't often get upgrades. So there is much restraint in the system that gives away your money to elites like me. Let everyone upgrade and that restraint dissappears. Everyone would upgrade whenever they could, 52 weeks out of the year and costs of their upgraded stays would be nearly twice what it would be without the upgrade.

Think of it like this: If you get a couple of rain drops on you, it's tough to notice and it won't bother you in the least. Have someone dump a bucket of water over your head and you're gonna feel it and be annoyed.

The current system of elite upgrades is like a very light rain. Yes, you're getting wet, but it's hardly noticeable. Giving everyone upgrades would be like getting hit with the bucket.
 

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I do NOT like the idea of upgrade at checkin. And, I do not think it is possible. SVO allocates rooms from their central office. They do not have the systems to do it at check-in.

Moreover, If I have an IV or Studio ..... I would like to know * in advance * what I am going to get.

I like the current policy and want to keep it.

I agree that Starwood's logic makes no sense......Like the pool chair example...I can't find a chair at the pool and complain....so Starwood should remove all the chairs. Bad logic.

And the ELITE program is just what it is ... ELITE. The higher levels should receive more. Buy more and get more!!!
 

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I do NOT like the idea of upgrade at checkin. And, I do not think it is possible. SVO allocates rooms from their central office. They do not have the systems to do it at check-in.

Moreover, If I have an IV or Studio ..... I would like to know * in advance * what I am going to get.

I like the current policy and want to keep it.

I agree that Starwood's logic makes no sense......Like the pool chair example...I can't find a chair at the pool and complain....so Starwood should remove all the chairs. Bad logic.

And the ELITE program is just what it is ... ELITE. The higher levels should receive more. Buy more and get more!!!
You may not like the idea, but why would you think it impossible?

Starwood has a hotel reservation system. That doesn't mean the hotels don't have any flexibility in what you get when you check-in. It's the same with our timeshares. Orlando is simply the reservation system. The front desk at our resorts already have ultimate power in unit location and anything else you can imagine. Why not upgrades?

You may like it the way it is, but it's clear that Starwood feels a change needs to be made. Compromise usually leads to a satisfactory outcome for both parties. Locking in your heels and not budging usually means one party is leaving the table as a loser. And tell me, if it came down between us and Starwood, who would be the losers? The sad truth is they can change almost anything they want. Why not compromise and live to fight another day?

Out of curiosity, why is it so important to know the unit size before you arrive. I've been trying, but have not been able to think of a good reason why I would NEED to know this information in advance.
 

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Set yourself up why don't you! :D

Additonal towels? Yes, I believe more towels are provided in a 1BR than a studio.

Additional housekeeping? Absolutely! Unless you're trying to maintain that cleaning one room of 500 square feet takes exactly the same effort as cleaning two rooms and a full kitchen of 900 square feet. :p

Additional water? No

A whopping two additional towels are provided in the 1BR; hardly a deal- breaker.

And with regard to housekeeping, I have a difficult time believing that paying a minimum-wage housekeeping worker for the extra hour's worth of work required to clean a 1BR (if it is required) is not a deal-breaker. To be honest, I think the amount of housekeeping required for each room depends upon the number of individuals in a room plus their individual habits. My husband and I leave our 1BR much cleaner, I'll guess, than a family of four (with two kids) will leave a studio. JMO. YMMV.

The furniture, carpeting, counter tops, appliances, etc... takes a beating with each guest. Yes, I realize YOU take care of things when YOU are there, but the wear and tear needs to be averaged over the number of stays. Believe it or not, all these "things" wear out faster when the unit is used more. ;) There are more "things" in a 1BR unit than a studio.

And I'm still betting that studios get the most wear-and-tear, based primarily on the fact that it is the studio side of LO(s that are rented out by owners. Plus, when a family of four is cooped up in one....

Answering the last first... Harborside is not a completely unrelated resort. It's in the SVN and you, as a WKORV owner, have as much right to their facilities as they have to ours (I own all my weeks at WKORV).

Yes, my upgrade as a 5* costs you money. No doubt about it. Perhaps thats just another reason Starwood was trying to kill the benefit.

Compared to the differences multi-week owners enjoy in other networks, this upgrade cost forced on the masses is small potatoes, but it is a cost. The only savior is that most people are NOT elite, and if you consider most elites (like everyone else) vacation during peak times, they don't often get upgrades. So there is much restraint in the system that gives away your money to elites like me. Let everyone upgrade and that restraint dissappears. Everyone would upgrade whenever they could, 52 weeks out of the year and costs of their upgraded stays would be nearly twice what it would be without the upgrade.

Think of it like this: If you get a couple of rain drops on you, it's tough to notice and it won't bother you in the least. Have someone dump a bucket of water over your head and you're gonna feel it and be annoyed.

The current system of elite upgrades is like a very light rain. Yes, you're getting wet, but it's hardly noticeable. Giving everyone upgrades would be like getting hit with the bucket.


You are really far off the mark here. What is small potatoes to someone can be a whole crop to someone else. What's more, according to my understanding, there are approximately 20,000 elite owners. If upgrades are given out constantly, your assertion of the costs of elite upgrades is hardly the light rain you postulate. Think severe thunderstorm, especially in terms of MF.

Again, why should I pay -- at all -- for your upgrades simply because you own more than one week of a SVN TS? I'm more than happy to pay my freight. But the idea that I should pay yours, too, is a lot of horse hockey.
 

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You are really far off the mark here. What is small potatoes to someone can be a whole crop to someone else. What's more, according to my understanding, there are approximately 20,000 elite owners. If upgrades are given out constantly, your assertion of the costs of elite upgrades is hardly the light rain you postulate. Think severe thunderstorm, especially in terms of MF.

Again, why should I pay -- at all -- for your upgrades simply because you own more than one week of a SVN TS? I'm more than happy to pay my freight. But the idea that I should pay yours, too, is a lot of horse hockey.
You should really to pick one or the other to maintain a rational argument.

You can't trivialize the costs of upgrading from a studio to a one bedroom, then complain about the high cost of an elite doing the same exact thing.

Either it's trivial or it's not. Pick one.

I believe the cost per event is trivial... like a single drop of water. I believe the current cost of elites getting upgrades might test the limits of trivial... like a light drizzle. I believe if EVERYONE were upgraded, the water would burst the dam and flood the whole darn town.

You obviously believe a lot of people rent out their studios. I don't see any evidence of this. Sure, I see some adds on TUG, Redweek, etc... but even if we looked everywhere and found hundreds, do you realize how many units are out there? Even hundreds, which I don't see BTW, would be a drop in the bucket.

Am I missing something? Is there some vast repository of studios for rent somewhere that I missed?

You also believe renters trash the places they rent. Did you trash places when you rented? I certainly didn't. Nobody I know did. Although there are some inconsiderate people out there, I'll tell you from experience (my family has owned a resort hotel and rental homes since I was a kid) most people DO NOT trash their units.

It's my experience that most people want to do the right thing. Some renters trash. The VAST MAJORITY do not. I suspect the owners that trashed when they rented, still trash as owners.

The bottom line is this: If you don't like the program, call up and complain about it. I've been rallying owners around the "stop requals" banner, which is quite unpopular here on TUG. Why not start rallying owners against elite upgrades?

We all have our opinions and we are all right. Fight for what is right to you. Just don't let it get to you if you fail. I don't like requals, but if I fail at stopping the practice I'm not going to be bitter. If you fail at taking away perks for elites, let it go and be happy.

Of course, if you're successful I'll sell my weeks for dirt cheap to the filthiest people I can find.

Nah... only kidding. :)
 
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This has taken away a primary incentive for people to buy multiple units along with discrediting Starwood.
 

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I’ve often wondered what ever happened to: 1) the management team that approved “New Coke,” and 2) all of those Radio Shack TRS-80 and Commodore 64 computers that were all the rage 30+ years ago. I’m glad to know that they all found a nice, comfortable home at SVN.

Anyone for a game of Pong?

-nodge
 

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The bottom line is this: If you don't like the program (elite changes), call up and complain about it. I've been rallying owners around the "stop requals" banner, which is quite unpopular here on TUG. Why not start rallying owners against elite upgrades?

We all have our opinions and we are all right. Fight for what is right to you. Just don't let it get to you if you fail. I don't like requals, but if I fail at stopping the practice I'm not going to be bitter. If you fail at taking away perks for elites, let it go and be happy.
Kor5star

Why don't you like requals?
 

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I'm not KOR5Star, but I can see a problem with making it too easy to join the Elite ranks with requals.

The Elite program is supposed to reward those that are loyal SVO customers and have made a significant investment in SVO properties. As anything else, the program costs something and is funded out of the money used to buy the additional time required to become Elite. Part of the extra money that is paid for a developer week goes towards this program. When you buy resale you don't give Starwood the money that goes to fund this program. You are basically sneaking in through a back door and are not one of the invited guests. If enough people requal, then the program will have to be reduced or eliminated since it will no longer be appropriately funded. There will not be enough food for everyone if there are too many party crashers.

Some might say that there shouldn't be an Elite program at all since that could potentially reduce the price of all the units. Others, however, find that they benefit from the program and that it enhances the desirability of being a multiple week owner. I fall in the latter camp and would rather Elite benefits were set aside for those that have actually earned/bought them. A room upgrade is one thing, but the rest of the benefits and future enhancements could be greatly curtailed by too many people getting them without having paid for them.
 

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I'm not KOR5Star, but I can see a problem with making it too easy to join the Elite ranks with requals.

The Elite program is supposed to reward those that are loyal SVO customers and have made a significant investment in SVO properties. As anything else, the program costs something and is funded out of the money used to buy the additional time required to become Elite. Part of the extra money that is paid for a developer week goes towards this program. When you buy resale you don't give Starwood the money that goes to fund this program. You are basically sneaking in through a back door and are not one of the invited guests. If enough people requal, then the program will have to be reduced or eliminated since it will no longer be appropriately funded. There will not be enough food for everyone if there are too many party crashers.

Some might say that there shouldn't be an Elite program at all since that could potentially reduce the price of all the units. Others, however, find that they benefit from the program and that it enhances the desirability of being a multiple week owner. I fall in the latter camp and would rather Elite benefits were set aside for those that have actually earned/bought them. A room upgrade is one thing, but the rest of the benefits and future enhancements could be greatly curtailed by too many people getting them without having paid for them.

I am brand new to timesharing and what little I already know tells me that you are not sneaking in through the back door uninvited. You have requalified a week through the developer and as such, have that invitation. The weeks were all paid for at developer prices at some point in time, and actually, due to transfer fees, the developer has probably realized more income from resales. As such, to say that Starwood has not realized the income to fund the Elite program is a flawed arguement.
 

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Kor5star

Why don't you like requals?
Because I think requals are incredibly unfair to the people that bought from the developer.

There are people that can not afford to become 5 Star and would desperately like to be, yet others have become 5 Star for as little as $89K. That "requal'ed 5 Star Elite" now trumps the Starwood customer who bought from the developer, paid more money, but has less status.

It is my opinion that Starwood should stand behind it's official claims. Sounds like a no-brainer, but clearly they don't.

This is NOT the result of people believing salesman's lies. It is the official stated position of Starwood. I've spoken to several managers as well as a VP. The salespeople are officially instructed by Starwood to tell customers that the only way to get the perks is to buy from the developer. Many of the salespeople that learn about requals feel duped.

The requal program was intended for people that bought a week on the open market and realized they wanted the whole package and were willing to pay for it. It was a way to be inclusive and accomdating. It became nothing more than a loophole that is exploited. It should be closed, or at least fixed.

I'd like to see a requal program that is at least one-to-one and is subject to approval by a high level manager, to make sure it's being used in the manner it was intended... not as a loophole to be exploited.
 

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I'm not KOR5Star, but I can see a problem with making it too easy to join the Elite ranks with requals.

The Elite program is supposed to reward those that are loyal SVO customers and have made a significant investment in SVO properties. As anything else, the program costs something and is funded out of the money used to buy the additional time required to become Elite. Part of the extra money that is paid for a developer week goes towards this program. When you buy resale you don't give Starwood the money that goes to fund this program. You are basically sneaking in through a back door and are not one of the invited guests. If enough people requal, then the program will have to be reduced or eliminated since it will no longer be appropriately funded. There will not be enough food for everyone if there are too many party crashers.

Some might say that there shouldn't be an Elite program at all since that could potentially reduce the price of all the units. Others, however, find that they benefit from the program and that it enhances the desirability of being a multiple week owner. I fall in the latter camp and would rather Elite benefits were set aside for those that have actually earned/bought them. A room upgrade is one thing, but the rest of the benefits and future enhancements could be greatly curtailed by too many people getting them without having paid for them.
I responded to Bill4728 already, but if I would have read your response first, I would have simply wrote "Yeah. What he said!".

You may not be me, but you have my permission to play me on TV anytime. :rofl:
 

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I am brand new to timesharing and what little I already know tells me that you are not sneaking in through the back door uninvited. You have requalified a week through the developer and as such, have that invitation. The weeks were all paid for at developer prices at some point in time, and actually, due to transfer fees, the developer has probably realized more income from resales. As such, to say that Starwood has not realized the income to fund the Elite program is a flawed arguement.

The Elite program works only if there are a limited number of people that buy into it. If you cheapen it through requals, then the number of Elites can increase to a level that makes the program become unsustainable.
 

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I am brand new to timesharing and what little I already know tells me that you are not sneaking in through the back door uninvited. You have requalified a week through the developer and as such, have that invitation. The weeks were all paid for at developer prices at some point in time, and actually, due to transfer fees, the developer has probably realized more income from resales. As such, to say that Starwood has not realized the income to fund the Elite program is a flawed arguement.
Not all that flawed. The funding for the program is more than just the price paid.

Why do you think Starwood wants to entice people to own multiple weeks? Why would they care? Think about it. Why would it really matter to Starwood if people owned a bunch of weeks or if everyone just owned one. They have no problem selling them. That's for sure.

It's the same reason Las Vegas caters to "whales".

I'm opening myself up to flames here because I'm going to get into class distinctions that I'm sure will ruffle some feathers. I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings. I'm just speaking the truth. It's the way of the world.

I think people that become 5 Star through the developer fully recognize the lack of real value their purchase has. It is an indulgent luxury bought with disposable assets. Those able to dispose of a few hundred thousand in this way are more likely to have Starwood stock their fridge, book not just one or two, but many excursions and activities through the concierge, make multiple visits to the spa, etc... In other words, spend a lot more money with Starwood using its services.

If someone needed to go through the hassles of purchasing, then requal'ing, often fighting.... yada, yada, yada... to save a few bucks. I'm sure they are NOT as likely to use Starwood's services. These are the people that run off to Star Market as soon as they arrive and pinch pennies all along the way to their next trip to Hawaii possible.

In other words, they are not actually "elite". They just maneuvered their way into getting some of the perks of elite, but they do not enjoy an elite lifestyle and they do not represent the income stream to Starwood that a true elite represents.

Now please! Don't read what I just wrote and think that I believe the wealther person is a better person. That's not what I'm saying at all. All I'm saying is the wealthier person tends to spend more money on vacation... therefore generating more income for Starwood... therefore enticing Starwood to "sweeten the pot" and try to attract that type of clientele with an "elite" program.

Why do I open my mouth? I just know I'm going to get flames for simply speaking the truth. :wall:
 
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The Elite program works only if there are a limited number of people that buy into it. If you cheapen it through requals, then the number of Elites can increase to a level that makes the program become unsustainable.
Yeah. What he said! :p

Basically what I said, but with far fewer words and not opening himself up to flames. Doh!
 

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The Elite program works only if there are a limited number of people that buy into it. If you cheapen it through requals, then the number of Elites can increase to a level that makes the program become unsustainable.

Don't worry about the fact that there are too many riff-raff Elites in the SVN program.

I am sure the marketing minds at SVN are actively coming up with new incentives when they create brand-new Elite levels 6 star & 7 star(just like Cat 6 & 7 levels in SPG) :(
 

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Back in May, the "marketing minds" sent a letter:

"We are pleased to report that construction is progressing beautifully...based on our pace we are on track for an on time opening of the resort in the fall of 2007." When we bought at WKORV-N we were told that it would open end of May. Do they really think that the buyers forgot that?

Now we get a letter "There’s no better way to celebrate the three-year anniversary of the Starwood Vacation Network(SM) Elite program than by enhancing your membership benefits." So we are not supposed to notice what was removed?

Unfortunately, deception is a major part of the Starwood program.
 

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Not all that flawed. The funding for the program is more than just the price paid.

Why do you think Starwood wants to entice people to own multiple weeks? Why would they care? Think about it. Why would it really matter to Starwood if people owned a bunch of weeks or if everyone just owned one. They have no problem selling them. That's for sure.

It's the same reason Las Vegas caters to "whales".

I'm opening myself up to flames here because I'm going to get into class distinctions that I'm sure will ruffle some feathers. I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings. I'm just speaking the truth. It's the way of the world.

I think people that become 5 Star through the developer fully recognize the lack of real value their purchase has. It is an indulgent luxury bought with disposable assets. Those able to dispose of a few hundred thousand in this way are more likely to have Starwood stock their fridge, book not just one or two, but many excursions and activities through the concierge, make multiple visits to the spa, etc... In other words, spend a lot more money with Starwood using its services.

If someone needed to go through the hassles of purchasing, then requal'ing, often fighting.... yada, yada, yada... to save a few bucks. I'm sure they are NOT as likely to use Starwood's services. These are the people that run off to Star Market as soon as they arrive and pinch pennies all along the way to their next trip to Hawaii possible.

In other words, they are not actually "elite". They just maneuvered their way into getting some of the perks of elite, but they do not enjoy an elite lifestyle and they do not represent the income stream to Starwood that a true elite represents.

Now please! Don't read what I just wrote and think that I believe the wealther person is a better person. That's not what I'm saying at all. All I'm saying is the wealthier person tends to spend more money on vacation... therefore generating more income for Starwood... therefore enticing Starwood to "sweeten the pot" and try to attract that type of clientele with an "elite" program.

Why do I open my mouth? I just know I'm going to get flames for simply speaking the truth. :wall:


I, for one, am not going to flame you.

However, don't you think Starwood would be better off simply charging an initiation fee and then subsequent yearly dues for a true "Elite" program? What I'm sort of thinking of here is similar to Universal Studios/Islands of Adventure's "Front of the Line" access.

Let's face it: how many timeshares can a person own? My husband and I are already maxed out (with vacations, schools, etc.) with regard to timeshares. So, there's no way we're going to buy another TS at this point in our lives.

And yet, when we do go on vacation, we tend to do "premium"-type things (powered hanggliding, parasailing, horseback riding, etc.). The only time we eat in our room is lunch (and then, not always). We're the lazy, cash-dropping customers whom Starwood loves to see pull up to the door. And if Starwood offered some sort of true "Elite" program like the "Front of the Line" access offered at Universal, we might very well go for it -- simply for early check-in and delayed check-outs.

Anyway, just thinking outside the box here for a true "Elite" program: You get what you pay for... and pay for... and pay for... and pay for.... It's the American way!! :)
 

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I, for one, am not going to flame you.

However, don't you think Starwood would be better off simply charging an initiation fee and then subsequent yearly dues for a true "Elite" program? What I'm sort of thinking of here is similar to Universal Studios/Islands of Adventure's "Front of the Line" access.

Anyway, just thinking outside the box here for a true "Elite" program: You get what you pay for... and pay for... and pay for... and pay for.... It's the American way!! :)
Yes, we think alike, but I was afraid of bringing it up for fear of a REAL flaming. What we're suggesting here would not be taken lightly by existing members.

I was thinking more in lines with a Country Club model. You initially buy in at some "going rate" price. You then have annual dues and a commitment to spend a certain amount of money with the facility. If you want out, you can sell your membership for the going rate price to the next person on the waiting list.

Right now they have less than 1500 5 Stars, so make the the max membership 2000 and let it ride.

But even if they did something like this, I still believe they need to live up to their promises. They promised a very valuable perk to thousands of people and now they think they can just pull that perk because it didn't work out like they planned... opps! No. They need to reinstate the perk.

I'd like to see Starwood reinstate the upgrade perk AND I'd like to see an internal "club". Of course it should have tennis and golf privledges and a built-in discount for food, merchandise and services (since there would be a bond and a mandatory minimum spend agreement).
 
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if starwood sells 500 units at full developer prices to 200 families and getting their money for each, then 50 families sell to other people .starwood already received their money for the units then the 50 people buy 50 other units and starwood allows the resale units that they already received payment on to be brought back into the system and they get 50 extra sales out of it, then they are ahead of the game. starwood is happy and so are the new owners.

when we go on vacation we are spenders, would i love to get to 5* using the requal system ,yes i would. i would love the platinum perk and of course is reinstated the upgrades. it has become a game, how to get there for as little as possible. $120-$130 thousand is certainly not a little bit of money. we have bought 4 developer weeks,paid my dues and now want to get to the finish line with some extra help with requals.

hope my rambling didn't confuse you all. i am watching a movie while i am writing
 
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