• The TUGBBS forums are completely free and open to the public and exist as the absolute best place for owners to get help and advice about their timeshares for more than 26 years!

    Join tens of thousands of other owners just like you here to get any and all Timeshare questions answered!
  • TUG has now saved timeshare owners more than $14,000,000 dollars just by finding us in time to rescind a new Timeshare purchase! A truly incredible milestone!

    Read more here: TUG saves owners more than $14 Million dollars
  • Follow the TUG Member Banner as it travels the world on vacation with Timeshare owners! Also sign up to get the banner sent to you so you can submit a photo of your vacation with the banner to share with TUG! Banner Thread
  • Sign up to get the TUG Newsletter for free! Join tens of thousands of other owners who get this every week! Latest resort reviews and the most important topics discussed by owners during the week!
  • Our official "end my sales presentation early" T-shirts are available again! Also come with the option for a free membership extension with purchase to offset the cost!

    Read more Here
  • A few of the most common links here on the forums for newbies and guests!

American Travelers Are About to Be Pariahs in This New World

mav

TUG Member
Joined
May 2, 2006
Messages
1,258
Reaction score
265
Points
293
Location
maryland

:cry: This looks like an update on an article from a travel blogger a few weeks ago that said France and the head of the E.U. is thinking of closing their borders to all except Schengen countries until September 1st. The USA was on short list of other countries they don't want coming in because of all the Covid cases . I I told my husband that as long as I can get into Bavaria, Germany I will be happy but that is moving further away . BAVARIA...…" Bitte, let me in, Danke
 
Last edited:

nerodog

TUG Review Crew: Veteran
TUG Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
1,074
Reaction score
296
Points
293
Location
Portugal
Hi from what I'm hearing, it's still under discussion. I'll post any updates.
 
  • Like
Reactions: mav

Luanne

TUG Review Crew: Veteran
TUG Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
14,260
Reaction score
5,079
Points
748
Location
New Mexico
This is another reason dd and I are thinking of postponing our river cruise until 2022.
 

Monykalyn

TUG Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2015
Messages
336
Reaction score
415
Points
173
Location
SW MO
Yes makes total sense considering 'per capita/million of population" there are several Schengen countries with higher counts :rolleyes: - Including right next door in Spain,Belgium and Luxembourg.
 

TravelTime

TUG Member
Joined
Mar 20, 2018
Messages
4,139
Reaction score
3,071
Points
299
Location
Northern California
Resorts Owned
MVC, Westin, DVC, Four Seasons
Every country has a right to ban whoever they want. But many countries in Europe have a higher death rate than the USA. Belgium, Spain, Italy, UK, France, Sweden and the Netherlands are all higher than the USA on a per capital basis. Switzerland is almost as high. I assume the bans will be reciprocal.

Country,
Other
Total
Cases
New
Cases
Total
Deaths
New
Deaths
Total
Recovered
Active
Cases
Serious,
Critical
Tot Cases/
1M pop
Deaths/
1M pop
Total
Tests
Tests/
1M pop
San Marino643+541 161441218,9501,2083,20194,339
Belgium53,981+2028,843 +8213,93731,2014204,658763605,23752,222
Andorra760+249 +157613539,8366341,67321,653
Spain271,095+1,57527,104 +184183,22760,7641,5345,7985802,467,76152,781
Italy222,104+88831,106 +195112,54178,4578933,6735142,735,62845,246
UK229,705+3,24233,186 +494N/A196,1751,5593,3844892,094,20930,849
France178,22526,991 57,78593,4492,5422,7304141,384,63321,213
Sint Maarten7615 461571,7733503297,673
Sweden27,909+6373,460 +1474,97119,4783512,763343177,50017,576
Netherlands43,211+2275,562 +52N/A37,3994322,522325275,72016,091
Ireland23,2421,488 17,1104,644724,707301258,80852,414
Isle of Man332+123 27237203,9042703,91246,006
USA1,413,630+4,99483,745 +320299,0081,030,87716,4734,2712539,985,94230,169
Channel Islands54742 455503,1462425,34230,725
Switzerland30,413+331,870 +326,8001,743793,514216322,08437,215
 

JohnPaul

TUG Review Crew: Expert
TUG Member
Joined
Apr 28, 2011
Messages
1,269
Reaction score
578
Points
223
Location
Sacramento, CA
Resorts Owned
Vacation Internationale, HGVC - NYC, Worldmark, Shell Vacations, Sedona Pines, RCI Points, Starwood (Avon, CO)
The US per capita death rate is rising rapidly. I'm sure we will be #1 soon enough.

Although Sweden just passed the US.
 

bnoble

TUG Member
Joined
Nov 14, 2006
Messages
7,867
Reaction score
1,562
Points
448
Location
The People's Republic of Ann Arbor
Resorts Owned
Wyndham Sea Gardens, Peppertree at Tamarack, Kauai Beach Villas
Yes makes total sense considering 'per capita/million of population" there are several Schengen countries with higher counts :rolleyes: - Including right next door in Spain,Belgium and Luxembourg.
That there might be other countries on my short list doesn't mean that the US doesn't rightfully belong on it.

c.f. whataboutism.
 

mav

TUG Member
Joined
May 2, 2006
Messages
1,258
Reaction score
265
Points
293
Location
maryland
Brian,
I do agree with you because I wouldn't want us either, but I am VERY sad about it :bawl:. When its all said and done, Bavaria is hands down my favorite country and we have been to over 40 countries . We go there twice a year.
 

Luanne

TUG Review Crew: Veteran
TUG Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
14,260
Reaction score
5,079
Points
748
Location
New Mexico
Brett: I don't think too many New Yorkers have manners that are good enough to pass as Canadiens. And we give ourselves away with jaywalking and pronouncing "out"
When traveling in Europe my dd would just wear her UBC or Canada hoodie and keep her mouth shut.
 

cman

TUG Member
Joined
Jun 15, 2005
Messages
229
Reaction score
289
Points
273
Today, the EU Commision issued their guidance on how to reboot Europe's tourist industry in 2020. I skimmed through it and was impressed. It is a comprehensive plan that provides detailed guidelines for tour operators, hoteliers, transportation providers, restaurants, and just about anyone else associated with the travel industry. From what I can gather, the approach is to first allow tourism among the 27 EU nations, then hopefully expand it later. It's appears to be a solid plan driven by science. It's a lot of info, but here's the link to download the pdf's; https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_20_854
 

dioxide45

TUG Review Crew: Veteran
TUG Member
Joined
May 20, 2006
Messages
29,268
Reaction score
3,669
Points
699
Location
NE Florida
Resorts Owned
Marriott's Grande Vista
Marriott's Harbour Lake
SVV - Bella
SVV - Key West
I am not sure many Americans are jumping at the chance to go to Europe right now or in the near future anyway. I am sure there will be travel bans based on citizenship for a long time to come.
 

CanuckTravlr

TUG Member
Joined
Apr 23, 2016
Messages
1,045
Reaction score
1,100
Points
224
Location
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Resorts Owned
HGVC Ocean 22
Oh thank goodness.
I keep hearing about US citizens pretending to be from Canada when traveling, wearing "maple leaf' hats !
Naahh! It's just us Canadians in our Maple Leaf hats (or sometimes Yankees hats...OMG, did I just say that!?!), pretending to be Americans in case we commit a faux pas and don't want anyone to "blame Canada"!!! LOL!!! :p
 

CanuckTravlr

TUG Member
Joined
Apr 23, 2016
Messages
1,045
Reaction score
1,100
Points
224
Location
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Resorts Owned
HGVC Ocean 22
Every country has a right to ban whoever they want. But many countries in Europe have a higher death rate than the USA. Belgium, Spain, Italy, UK, France, Sweden and the Netherlands are all higher than the USA on a per capital basis. Switzerland is almost as high. I assume the bans will be reciprocal.

Country,
Other
Total
Cases
New
Cases
Total
Deaths
New
Deaths
Total
Recovered
Active
Cases
Serious,
Critical
Tot Cases/
1M pop
Deaths/
1M pop
Total
Tests
Tests/
1M pop
San Marino643+541161441218,9501,2083,20194,339
Belgium53,981+2028,843+8213,93731,2014204,658763605,23752,222
Andorra760+249+157613539,8366341,67321,653
Spain271,095+1,57527,104+184183,22760,7641,5345,7985802,467,76152,781
Italy222,104+88831,106+195112,54178,4578933,6735142,735,62845,246
UK229,705+3,24233,186+494N/A196,1751,5593,3844892,094,20930,849
France178,22526,99157,78593,4492,5422,7304141,384,63321,213
Sint Maarten7615461571,7733503297,673
Sweden27,909+6373,460+1474,97119,4783512,763343177,50017,576
Netherlands43,211+2275,562+52N/A37,3994322,522325275,72016,091
Ireland23,2421,48817,1104,644724,707301258,80852,414
Isle of Man332+12327237203,9042703,91246,006
USA1,413,630+4,99483,745+320299,0081,030,87716,4734,2712539,985,94230,169
Channel Islands54742455503,1462425,34230,725
Switzerland30,413+331,870+326,8001,743793,514216322,08437,215
Here are the statistics for Canada. Based on the ranking of the chart by deaths/1M of population, Canada would be right at the bottom with 141 deaths/1M. That is an important part behind the general consensus not to reopen the Canada/US border anytime soon, or to permit the arrival of international travellers from overseas. Currently only essential commercial traffic or essential workers are permitted to cross the border in either direction. The first time in over 150 years.

Total
Cases
New
Cases
Total
Deaths
New
Deaths
Total
Recovered
Active
Cases
Serious,
Critical
Cases
/1M
Deaths
/1M
Total
Tests
Tests
/1M
Canada 72,2781,1215,30413335,16431,812 1,9171411,172,87231,111
 
Last edited:

nerodog

TUG Review Crew: Veteran
TUG Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
1,074
Reaction score
296
Points
293
Location
Portugal
Brian,
I do agree with you because I wouldn't want us either, but I am VERY sad about it :bawl:. When its all said and done, Bavaria is hands down my favorite country and we have been to over 40 countries . We go there twice a year.
Mav, check flights. I see flights from Frankfurt to USA according to US Embassy. I'm not sure which cities. More flights will be opening up and the date I'm hearing is June 15th
 
  • Like
Reactions: mav

nerodog

TUG Review Crew: Veteran
TUG Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
1,074
Reaction score
296
Points
293
Location
Portugal

:cry: This looks like an update on an article from a travel blogger a few weeks ago that said France and the head of the E.U. is thinking of closing their borders to all except Schengen countries until September 1st. The USA was on short list of other countries they don't want coming in because of all the Covid cases . I I told my husband that as long as I can get into Bavaria, Germany I will be happy but that is moving further away . BAVARIA...…" Bitte, let me in, Danke
When are you planning to travel ?
 

mav

TUG Member
Joined
May 2, 2006
Messages
1,258
Reaction score
265
Points
293
Location
maryland
:love:THANK YOU!!! Nerodog! I'll see what I can find out, I am not sure but I think you have to have official business to go there from the USA, but it gives me hope. I have a flight to go to Bavaria, Germany on July 3rd, but at this point I will go even sooner if I can. This gives me hope I will get there
 

dioxide45

TUG Review Crew: Veteran
TUG Member
Joined
May 20, 2006
Messages
29,268
Reaction score
3,669
Points
699
Location
NE Florida
Resorts Owned
Marriott's Grande Vista
Marriott's Harbour Lake
SVV - Bella
SVV - Key West
:love:THANK YOU!!! Nerodog! I'll see what I can find out, I am not sure but I think you have to have official business to go there from the USA, but it gives me hope. I have a flight to go to Bavaria, Germany on July 3rd, but at this point I will go even sooner if I can. This gives me hope I will get there
July 3rd 2021?
 

nerodog

TUG Review Crew: Veteran
TUG Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
1,074
Reaction score
296
Points
293
Location
Portugal
:love:THANK YOU!!! Nerodog! I'll see what I can find out, I am not sure but I think you have to have official business to go there from the USA, but it gives me hope. I have a flight to go to Bavaria, Germany on July 3rd, but at this point I will go even sooner if I can. This gives me hope I will get there
Germany is looking into travel bubbles rightvniw with Austria and Switzerland. It appears that EU countries don't want to lose the summer season yet alotvhas to do with flights espmfrom North America. I agree, probably need a reason right now. I would not give up hope just yet...keep an eye on the news and watch Lufthansa site for info.
 
  • Like
Reactions: mav
Top