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American Travelers Are About to Be Pariahs in This New World

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Hi Brian, I don't dress like that but trust me I don't dress at all like the average American traveler;)
LOVED the pic!!! AAHHHH, BAVARIA!! BAYERN !!! Looks like I'll be seeing you in my dreams awhile longer
 

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Parts of the US are banning Americans due to COVID-19 so what’s the big deal if the EU does?

This to shall pass.

I am starting to think I chose wrong when my DH asked me ....a new kitchen or travel once we retire in November. I chose travel of course. Ugh
 

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Parts of the US are banning Americans due to COVID-19 so what’s the big deal if the EU does?

This to shall pass.

I am starting to think I chose wrong when my DH asked me ....a new kitchen or travel once we retire in November. I chose travel of course. Ugh
Well, parts of the US aren't baning other Americans. Just requiring quarantine. Of course, I don't have any issue if the EU wants to prevent American's from traveling there, but they also shouldn't have complained when we did the same early on with China and Europe. It was wrong to ban travel then but it isn't now?
 

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Well, parts of the US aren't baning other Americans. Just requiring quarantine. Of course, I don't have any issue if the EU wants to prevent American's from traveling there, but they also shouldn't have complained when we did the same early on with China and Europe. It was wrong to ban travel then but it isn't now?
I totally agree. A travel ban on either side is fine.

Your right about the quarantine as well but the quarantine does make travel very limited without a full on ban for the majority. Also fine in my book.
 

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Royal Caribbean Cruise Line is now called Royal Caribbean Group effective now,.
 

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Every country has a right to ban whoever they want. But many countries in Europe have a higher death rate than the USA. Belgium, Spain, Italy, UK, France, Sweden and the Netherlands are all higher than the USA on a per capital basis. Switzerland is almost as high. I assume the bans will be reciprocal.

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Other
Total
Cases
New
Cases
Total
Deaths
New
Deaths
Total
Recovered
Active
Cases
Serious,
Critical
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San Marino643+541161441218,9501,2083,20194,339
Belgium53,981+2028,843+8213,93731,2014204,658763605,23752,222
Andorra760+249+157613539,8366341,67321,653
Spain271,095+1,57527,104+184183,22760,7641,5345,7985802,467,76152,781
Italy222,104+88831,106+195112,54178,4578933,6735142,735,62845,246
UK229,705+3,24233,186+494N/A196,1751,5593,3844892,094,20930,849
France178,22526,99157,78593,4492,5422,7304141,384,63321,213
Sint Maarten7615461571,7733503297,673
Sweden27,909+6373,460+1474,97119,4783512,763343177,50017,576
Netherlands43,211+2275,562+52N/A37,3994322,522325275,72016,091
Ireland23,2421,48817,1104,644724,707301258,80852,414
Isle of Man332+12327237203,9042703,91246,006
USA1,413,630+4,99483,745+320299,0081,030,87716,4734,2712539,985,94230,169
Channel Islands54742455503,1462425,34230,725
Switzerland30,413+331,870+326,8001,743793,514216322,08437,215
These numbers are misleading in the scheme of things. Most of those countries maps could fit inside the map of the US. So, if they were added together, you would see the US doesn't actually have as high of numbers, as it appears on this chart. For instance. all of the UK could fit into the boundaries of the state of KY.
 

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These numbers are misleading in the scheme of things. Most of those countries maps could fit inside the map of the US. So, if they were added together, you would see the US doesn't actually have as high of numbers, as it appears on this chart. For instance. all of the UK could fit into the boundaries of the state of KY.
That is true. We should really be comparing the EU to the USA. The US is one of the largest countries in the world.
 

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Many countries have had travel restrictions. Referring to any country (or its citizens) as pariah is terrible and may reflect more on the author than on what the Europeans believe about the Americans. Worse, she is an American and a CNN contributor.


From the WSJ:
The word "pariah" originally comes from "Paraiyar," the name of a low caste in southern India. Scholars of Indian languages trace "Paraiyar" back to the Tamil word for drum, "parai." Traditionally, members of the caste had a ritual duty to beat the drums at festivals, since the leather used for the drums was considered unclean and thus unfit for higher-caste Hindus to touch.
Many in the Paraiyar caste also ended up working as servants for British colonists, and through this contact, the name of the caste became Anglicized as "paria" or "pariah." Its meaning expanded imprecisely to cover all the lower castes, as well as "outcastes" or "untouchables."
 
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Other countries never liked Americans. It has been even worse since 2016. Covid just gives them an excuse to ban us. We deserve it after the way we have treated other countries.
 

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Other countries never liked Americans.
Right up until they need us (again). Or our money. Or both.
Which they always seem to do.

It has been even worse since 2016.
Oh wow, the return of OMB syndrome.
Look, I understand some people don't like the POTUS. That's fine. But to constantly rip on this country long ago got old. And to continue it in the manner chosen only serves to further the (rapidly growing) divide in this country.

Work toward identifying a nominee that can win the election in 2020. But the left will be owning the slash and burn tactics they have employed...and those tactics have a high cost (as we are seeing).

Covid just gives them an excuse to ban us. We deserve it after the way we have treated other countries.
Since it began its existence, the United States (while not perfect by any stretch) has saved more countries and more people than any other country.

From former Secretary of State and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (among other roles) Colin Powell (comment below made in 2003 and is just as applicable today):
...“We have gone forth from our shores repeatedly over the last hundred years and we’ve done this as recently as the last year in Afghanistan and put wonderful young men and women at risk, many of whom have lost their lives, and we have asked for nothing except enough ground to bury them in, and otherwise we have returned home to seek our own, you know, to seek our own lives in peace, to live our own lives in peace. But there comes a time when soft power or talking with evil will not work where, unfortunately, hard power is the only thing that works.”
 

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Other countries never liked Americans. It has been even worse since 2016. Covid just gives them an excuse to ban us. We deserve it after the way we have treated other countries.
Many view other countries through their political lenses (Pew research). Age, sex and race also play a role. Europe is generally more to the left than the US and a change at the top has changed how favorable they see the US (Pew research) and this is not the first time around. At the same time we have to make a distinction between how favorable is their view about America and how they see the Americans let alone how they treat Americans tourists when they meet or guest them. We have been to Europe every year (except this one!), I have never met an American after 2016 complaining about how he was treated there.
 

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Many view other countries through their political lenses (Pew research). Age, sex and race also play a role. Europe is generally more to the left than the US and a change at the top has changed how favorable they see the US (Pew research) and this is not the first time around. At the same time we have to make a distinction between how favorable is their view about America and how they see the Americans let alone how they treat Americans tourists when they meet or guest them. We have been to Europe every year (except this one!), I have never met an American after 2016 complaining about how he was treated there.
It depend upon how an individual behaves and presents themselves. I have traveled to many countries studied as an exchange student and now retired here. It's always a mixed bag as some people have their own notions of Americans. I try to represent myself and country and explain the many nuances Europeans may not understand or be familiar with. Overall, I feel very welcome and it hasnt depended on whose in office. Europeans are very interested in US politics and like to discuss . I cant say I know so much about EU politics in comparison. I feel people here are quite sad and upset about the ban as it affects the tourism greatly. They are anxious of when travel will be lifted.
 

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@nerodog When my daughter was an exchange student she was taken aback by how openly the Swiss talk about politics and offer their opinions on it.
 
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