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[ 2008 ] SVO eBay Sales

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I was wondering what this one would sell it, with the high closing costs (~$775, with a $25 Westin transfer fee (huh?)).

Not sure why it sold so much less than the one from a few days ago. Certianly it's not just the $200 extra in fees...
 

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WKV EY 2Bd LO - Platinum - 148K SO - $17,100 (Dec 3, 2009)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320454410331

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WKV EOY 2Bd LO - Silver - 56K SO EOY - $1660 (Dec 7, 2009)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350287864249

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WKORV EY 1BR Platinum (1-50) 81K SOs Ocean View $5251 (Dec 16, 2009)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370304369138

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WKORV EY 1BR Platinum (1-50) 81K SOs Ocean View $5100 (Dec 19, 2009)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350293472240

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WKORV EOY 1BR Platinum (1-50) 81K SOs EOY Ocean View $4050 (Dec 8, 2009)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290376415704

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The sad part is the owner didn't even get the full sale price, since they would have had to pay redweeks4less to list the week. I hope they didn't pay someone $$$$ to take the timeshare off their hands.

It appears the sale did not go through as the unit is relisted on eBay.
 

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Please remember - as stated in post #1 - that just because an eBay auction goes through does not mean the sale completed. In tracking these over the years - many end up getting relisted, or the same seller puts the same unit up for sale.
 

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Please remember - as stated in post #1 - that just because an eBay auction goes through does not mean the sale completed. In tracking these over the years - many end up getting relisted, or the same seller puts the same unit up for sale.

But even if the sale doesn't go through, does that mean the price at the end of the auction is biased in either direction?

If the auction is competitive enough I don't think it really matters if the sale closed. And if anything, it's probably a buyer who is more likely to walk away if they think they overpaid (sellers are generaly motivated to close the deal, and can always have a reserve price) so the prices may be biased upwards in those auctions that don't close.

Am I missing something?
 

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But even if the sale doesn't go through, does that mean the price at the end of the auction is biased in either direction?

If the auction is competitive enough I don't think it really matters if the sale closed. And if anything, it's probably a buyer who is more likely to walk away if they think they overpaid (sellers are generaly motivated to close the deal, and can always have a reserve price) so the prices may be biased upwards in those auctions that don't close.

Am I missing something?

Certain unscrupulous sellers are believed to list timeshares with low starting prices and no reserve with the expectation of starting a spirited bidding war (evidence suggests that low starting prices and no reserve encourages bidding). If the auction closes at a low price, these sellers are believed to tell the lucky buyer that the item was not described correctly or is no longer available, but will frequently list an identical unit shortly thereafter (identical down to the same unit number and week).

To the outside world, the eBay result appears to be a very low price, but no one was able to buy at that price.

Of course it is impossible to verify that this actually happens, but eBay is a strange place -- even stranger with private bidding.
 

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Certain unscrupulous sellers are believed to list timeshares with low starting prices and no reserve with the expectation of starting a spirited bidding war (evidence suggests that low starting prices and no reserve encourages bidding). If the auction closes at a low price, these sellers are believed to tell the lucky buyer that the item was not described correctly or is no longer available, but will frequently list an identical unit shortly thereafter (identical down to the same unit number and week).

To the outside world, the eBay result appears to be a very low price, but no one was able to buy at that price.

Of course it is impossible to verify that this actually happens, but eBay is a strange place -- even stranger with private bidding.

I guess that can happen. Didn't think of that...

But on second thought - shouldn't that be reflected in a seller's feedback?
 
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I guess that can happen. Didn't think of that...

But on second thought - shouldn't that be reflected in a seller's feedback?

Does happen - especially with a few sellers.

Perhaps a reason the certain common eBay sellers do have low ratings - but there are ways to wiggle out w/o a buyer giving a bad rating.

tbh - If I sold a VOI on eBay - I would not set a reserve, nor a high starting price - they just do not sell (history clearly shows this - I don't even bother tracking them anymore) However - if I got lowballed - as a seller - I would back out. I would not take a large $ hit - I wouldn't care about my eBay rating. But of course - I would make sure the auction had correct info and was appealing, and I would have reasonable expectations of its worth.
 
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This is a voluntary resort, so staroption doesn't transfer to a new owner.
And it is every other year (odd years) use.
This auction was ended higher price than I thought.

Copy and paste... fixed to EOY in my original post. Also removed the OV (no deeded views at WPORV)

Yes, a bit surprisingly high for an EOY. Not much different from WKORV. Just shows the "value" of these comes from usage, not SVN trading (unlike the price difference between SDO and WKV)
 

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The ad misstates (misleads) fess. Says fees are payable January 1st, every other year in the amount of $1,185.
 

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To be clear the MF for an EOY WPORV (as of Jan'10) is $ 1,147.68 and is paid annually. This includes a $50 Princeville resort fee (includes use of St Regis facilities - except for the pools and hot tubs). This MF does not contain the SVN fee (if any).

There have been 2 completed eBay auction for EOY WPORV - at around $8K. These are being sold by SVO for ~$36K with around 80K SP incentives.

I paid ~$25K for ours and got around 225K SPs at the end - back in March 2007 (used our SPG AMEX, and a same-day Explorer Package) - plus I retro'd our WKORV VOI and got 3* (no big deal).
 
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To be clear the MF for an EOY WPORV (as of Jan'10) is $ 1,147.68. This includes a $50 Princeville resort fee (includes use of St Regis facilities - except for the pools and hot tubs). This MF does not contain the SVN fee (if any).


To be clear, clear, the 1147.88 is paid annually.

The closed auction represents the fees as payable every other year in the amount of $1185.
 

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WKV 2BR Gold - 2 bids with winning bid of $1005 + 2010 MF's

:eek: :eek: :eek:

I assume this won't close, but yikes.
 

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WKV 2BR Gold - 2 bids with winning bid of $1005 + 2010 MF's

:eek: :eek: :eek:

I assume this won't close, but yikes.


Wouldn't a gold be worth 81000 SOs? The ad says 56300 -- is that silver? (Sorry -- I just got a new laptop and haven't transferred my files -- too lazy to log into myripoffcentral to access the SO chart.)
 

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Wouldn't a gold be worth 81000 SOs? The ad says 56300 -- is that silver? (Sorry -- I just got a new laptop and haven't transferred my files -- too lazy to log into myripoffcentral to access the SO chart.)

Yes, gold would be 81000. Either it's a silver unit or a poor "cut & paste" job that possibly kept confused bidders away.
 

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Yes, gold would be 81000. Either it's a silver unit or a poor "cut & paste" job that possibly kept confused bidders away.

Thanks -- that's what I thought. 56K is a worthless # of SOs to have, in my opinion -- doesn't really "mesh well" with any of the other popular resale mandatory units. Although, it does gets you a one-BR premium at HRA in the summer .............. if you can find one.
 
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