[2008] Belaire Golf Resort and Spa

[Snappy Sam]

Thanks...we did send a thank you to PROFECO too!

 

[brucecz]

Thanks...we did send a thank you to PROFECO too!

Sam, I see you own a great timeshare. Others on Tug talk very highly of your crane.

Bruce

 

[Snappy Sam]

Thanks Bruce ...we DO own a great timeshare at The Crane. We'll post a new thread on the Caribbean site for more about that. And we plan to write a review this week on the member's site for the Residences at The Crane. Would do that today, but this day is reserved for laundry and paperwork! (Hey, the price you pay when you come home!) And Bruce, THANK YOU again for all of your help and support with the Belaire. I really hope those who are still involved are able to get out and recoup their losses. We've noticed that their right side camera has been down for at least two days. Maybe they don't want anyone to see the large "nature made" swimming hole that is there. We saw a "worker" in that hole last week who was up to his shoulders in water. And we didn't see any evidence of draining it. :annoyed:

 

[pammex]

I am here in PV and I have pics will post them next week.........hate to say it but get the letters into Profeco and whomever else...rescind, etc. Barely nothing done since Feb when we were last here...........so sorry for all who purchased but have heard Profeco is being helpful in getting refunds.....

This is the worst scenario for timeshares I have heard in Mexico and I own 10 timeshares all but one in Mexico........

Talk next week with more info and pics.....

 

[pianodinosaur]

Three Cheers for PuertoVallartaGirl and Snappy Sam

Thanks for one of the most interesting threads I have ever seen.
I have been thinking about a resale at the Grand Mayan or Mayan Palace. That would be my way of revenge for my experience with the Grand Mayan sales reps. However, I have been very skeptical regarding the legal ramifications of purchasing in Mexico. This thread has been most informative.

 

[Snappy Sam]

Listen to Pammex

I am here in PV and I have pics will post them next week.........hate to say it but get the letters into Profeco and whomever else...rescind, etc. Barely nothing done since Feb when we were last here...........so sorry for all who purchased but have heard Profeco is being helpful in getting refunds.....

This is the worst scenario for timeshares I have heard in Mexico and I own 10 timeshares all but one in Mexico........

Talk next week with more info and pics.....

Anyone who has any doubts really needs to listen to Pammex! We too have a person on the ground there who has said that nothing is happening! It might be a good idea to send a letter to Profeco signed by ALL of you who still want to rescind. I don't know if tht's possible to do through TUG or not but I would think at the very least you could compose something together here.

 

[taffy19]

Snappy Sam, thanks so much for posting again and sharing your experience. I'm so glad you found TUG and rescinded in time.

Please keep us informed about getting the charge taken off your credit card, and welcome to TUG.

Congratulations with the great outcome of your story and you don't have to wait weeks, months or even more than a year to get your money back and worry about your purchase and if there will be a resort or not.

Why don't the authorities close down this company? You would think that Mexico doesn't want to ruin business for the good and honest condo or timeshare developers over there. All this bad publicity can only hurt everyone's sales.

I hope that other victims will find this forum here so they can have their nightmare resolved quickly too. Thank you TUG. You have helped so many people already.

 

[zara]

Belaire pics

If you go on the website, you will see that they are working and that some progress has been made. At least this is a step in the right direction, we hope.

 

[Mule]

Thanks to snappy sam, we now know all you tuggers were wrong. Belaire is a member of profeco. Also, for all you tuggers that can't see the ongoing construction, you might need some computer skills assistance. . . . . Alert, beware: now over 2500 lawsuits against GRAND MAYAN in US. Grand Mayan pulls operation out of US, sells to Hotel Chain and soon will be changing their name! . . . Dozens of resorts are disclosed in this special report that have had building delays and have structural problems from fast unchecked construction. Don't be fooled by ney-sayers on this tug site.

I have deleted parts of this post that could be construed to be an advertisement. Karen G, Moderator

 

[Mule]

Ok Karen, they were in made in jest.:rofl:

 

[Karen G]

Ok Karen, they were in made in jest.:rofl:

From the many posts on this thread by people who have actually been to a Belaire presentation and have sunk their hard-earned money into the project, I doubt those folks would find much humor in your post.

 

[pammex]

sorry to all but I am continuing to have less than sporadic internet service, hopefully a new bridge has arrived to my provider today and tomorrow should be back up and running full speed at that time I'll get my pics on here for you.

Ah yes the Mayan does have many lawsuits Mule but they do have functioning units people use every day....

 

[pammex]

If you go on the website, you will see that they are working and that some progress has been made. At least this is a step in the right direction, we hope.

I have been following this project, shall we call it, some time now. The work is minimal, seems just enough to make it appear as though the project is legit.

I cannot put up my pics right now as my internet connection is at best sporadic and having trouble all week, so as soon as it is functioning properly I will post them. ( Believe me the lack of internet or sporadic internet is driving me bezerk).

The pics we took were on a sunday as hate to say but we do not want to be anywhere near that site seen taking pics, take that how you will. We did pass by many times throughout two weeks though and at best the most workers on site were 10. On Sunday there were none of course except a sole man, maybe a guard, who got on cell phone as we took pics...hmmm..

The infamous ( I can't access all the threads at this moment so forget name) construction company has apparently been replaced by another name, which my husband noted. The pile driver machine is gone and my husband said he saw no whatever they are called pile drivers ( as they should be sticking up out of ground) ( my husband is in construction). The pile driver machine has been replaced by a dump truck and a back hoe ( think that is name) ( wish hubby were here to help me with these names of construction machines).

There has been a big hole dug and it is filled with water of course....the fence now has some green barrier material threaded thru it possibly to obstruct view of site. There is a small pile of rebar on the ground rusting, which my husband laughed at...said please there should be piles and piles of that at this point.

We were there just last Feb., and in reality very little has been done, despite the fact that many other projects throughout PV have been moving right along.

We questioned many locals, ex-pats and Mexicans regarding Belair and well responses were not good. " That project has many complaints, that project has been going on for over a year with very little being done, There are problems there, stay away, etc., They somehow have evaded the timeshare loops to the hilt and are allowed to continue their shananigans", we could not get many people to express much further or elaborate. I understand as things can be different here in Mexico and big money talks as well as bad news could be dangerous etc. One person just said whatever you do, do not buy there....hmm..

I have no vested interest in this project other than to try to be a help in updates to Tug members with news of their vested dollars into this project due to fact that I frequent PV a lot.

I'll get those pics on here as soon as I have reliable internet, we took with two cameras via two people so different perspectives....

I'll also give another update in near future when I return to PV.

I am wondering of those who have not rescinded are you being given accomodation use at other resorts etc? Seems as though they have gone well past their date of completion and if so then buyers should have some sort of options for use. Any input on this from any who have decided to keep their purchase.

I am happy for those who were able to rescind and got refunds but sad for those who did not. I did hear that Profeco was even doing some help in refunds or such well past the rescind law of 5 days, like many months.

Something is just not right......I still have my fingers crossed for those who are holding out for their dream fractional ownership in PV, but my mind says other than my heart so heed caution....

In response to some posts regarding inability to obtain material and rain. Well this is Mexico from June to Sept/Oct. Rainy season and it rains almost every night. ( even some days) Construction does not stop in Mexico due to rain....and why there would be an inability to get material is beyond me......PV is far from back woods, hills of Mexico.....we saw many other projects moving right along despite rain, water and supposed lack of supplies!

 

[Snappy Sam]

Again we encourage you to listen to Pammex and to our advice as well. We truly understand why you didn't want to be seen with a camera around the Belaire site. I'm sure photography wouldn't be appreciated.
Something about meeting one of the partners who insulted (called us "stupid") and intimidated us when we delivered our notice of rescission in a fashion reminiscent of a movie starring Marlon Brando made us definitely decide we made the right descision not to accept his "offer that we couldn't refuse".

 

[pammex]

Sorry but the pics will be delayed longer, still a problem with my internet, I have satellite and now the antenae/satellite has to be moved due to obstruction, as well as now my computer won't take the pics off the camera memory card for one of my cameras to even put into computer.....I am too frustrated to try the other camera now......hopefully all this internet trouble is resolved next week, then if computer won't take pics I can do it via laptop....

Snappy Sam I think you made right decision in not accepting the offer you could not refuse.....I hope more people find TUG and read all these updates, and for those already invested I do hope you pursue with profeco etc. I can only imagine your frustration after laying out money in this project.

I truly hope Snappy Sam and I are wrong for all who did invest sakes'.

 

[Snappy Sam]

I hope we are wrong too as it sounds like many people have put a lot of money in to this. And I agree with Karen, it's no joking matter.
There is a lot of negative information about Belaire on the TUG websites which saved us from being another one who had a lot invested. While other places get some negative press too, it pales in comparison to the Belaire.
We found TUG the night we bought by going on line trying to find information on the place. Hopefully others will find the extremely informative threads on TUG as we did and save themselves a lot of sleepless nights. Once again, we couldn't be more greatful to everyone here who gave us concrete advice on what to do and how to do it.

 

[PamF]

Time Share Junky any news on investigating the Belaire???

I am a guest here but my parents bought into the whole thing.

 

[Karen G]

I am a guest here but my parents bought into the whole thing.

Pam, have your parents contacted Profeco? If you haven't already done so, read the other very long thread here about Belaire.

 

[zara]

progress

Check out the website-Construction is definately taking place in the webcam on the right. That is very encouraging!

 

[makua]

Just returned from PV

:annoyed: We just returned from PV. We did attend a presentation at the Belaire and had some interesting statements made. The latest line is that they are going to move the airport after the many improvements made in to it in the last year. After hearing this statement we made a point of talking to many locals who said that there is no way they are going to move it. Last year they said at a presentation that they were going to change the runways to make the take-offs go over the Mayan Palace. They haven't done that either.
As far as construction goes they have done very very little since last year. The locals say they aren't really working at all!!!! About all we saw in 2 weeks time were 3-4 men pumping water out of hole and moving very few materials around.
Jerry

 

[Blondie]

Wow- I would think that after a year and a half you could request your money back via Profeco and skip the attorney. Surely there must be language in your paperwork stating a reasonable completion/occupancy date. Move the airport? Geesh, what dodo would fall for that malarky?

 

[judy23]

I guess I am a little confused. If you look at the Web-Cam it looks like there is a bldg being constructed.Can someone clarify this for me. Thanks

 

[Zib]

Wow! There is a huge, HUGE thread on this already with lots of info. Near the last it tells you how to go through Profeco. Can't believe you haven't read it. LOTS of info.

 

[Karen G]

There is a huge, HUGE thread on this already with lots of info. Near the last it tells you how to go through Perfecto.

That thread has dropped off to the second page of Mexico threads and here is a link to it.

The name of the Mexican consumer protection agency is PROFECO in case anyone is trying to find it online.

 

[Snappy Sam]

More Belaire concern

I decided to post on this lengthy thread so that we could merge all of our information from the new thread as well. I do have a question for those of you who have been members of TUG much longer than us.
We recieved a "Private Message" last week from a "Guest" on TUG. Now we are wondering if it was actually from someone from the Belaire.
The message really didn't need to be private and I will post it with our reply if that's an "ok" thing to do. We suggested they look at all of the information on this site and add any information they might have as well such as the full names of the peole at Belaire. Has this happend to anyone else?

WE all seem to know first names (Antonio, Marcos, Jonathan) but not last names.