[2008] Belaire Golf Resort and Spa

[steve_esko]

Hopefully Belaire's famous empty water bottle has been refilled

 

[wind]

Keeping the faith

We are still hoping for more results as we have to send in our balance
due this week. We are glad to see some progress since being in Puerto
Vallarta in March.
I am a realtor, so I have read our contract over for the 5th time and
have not found the article Bruce keeps referring to. Please watch the
spelling by the way...
I think the contracts have been changed. Mine reads ..." 5.2 EXTRAORDINARY FEES Any payment of money incurred for unforeseeable events during normal operation and maintenance of the properties or the establishment considerd as urgent, necessary or essential for total and partial upkeep thereof: and common areas, facilities, equipment and services, for the upkeep or replacement of furniture or equipment , or which if not applied the establishment or part of it are at risk of being lost, destroyed or damaged in such a way that the function they were created, constructed or intended for cannot be fulfilled."
Check your contracts. I assume they are tweaked now and then as we found several errors in spelling and typos which we brought to their attention.
Other owners, let me know, do you get your members number after you pay
the total amount due? I only have a contract number and a reference number.
Wind
Wilmington, NC
ps. I didn't join tugs because this is not my life.

 

[california-bighorn]

Wind
Since you are in the Real Estate business, I would think you would be a great source of information for other TUG members and observers of the TUG BBS. You might be able to decifer certain areas of the contract where other members are having the problem. Bruce probably appreciates your concern.
I think I would be concerned that you found so many typos and errors in spelling in their contract. Doesn't seem to professional.

 

[pammex]

wind, you have location Mass listed but then sign wind N.C.

I am sure this site is not a lot of others people lives either but the money they invested could be a big part of their lives so of course they are concerned over the extremely long delays...

No typos are not very professional but I have to say that I do see them many times in Mexico on contracts in English, should not be so but have seen it...

The water bottle I hope has been refilled many times, like many times a day LOL

So sounds positive they are working on the rebar, and truckloads of supplies coming in...that si great . Any projection for completion?

Any answers where current owners are excahnging into this year?

I have my fingers crossed. Will try to check out that web cam...

Bueana Suerte to all!

 

[TROOPER08]

Belaire Resort

We are still hoping for more results as we have to send in our balance
due this week. We are glad to see some progress since being in Puerto
Vallarta in March.
I am a realtor, so I have read our contract over for the 5th time and
have not found the article Bruce keeps referring to. Please watch the
spelling by the way...
I think the contracts have been changed. Mine reads ..." 5.2 EXTRAORDINARY FEES Any payment of money incurred for unforeseeable events during normal operation and maintenance of the properties or the establishment considerd as urgent, necessary or essential for total and partial upkeep thereof: and common areas, facilities, equipment and services, for the upkeep or replacement of furniture or equipment , or which if not applied the establishment or part of it are at risk of being lost, destroyed or damaged in such a way that the function they were created, constructed or intended for cannot be fulfilled."
Check your contracts. I assume they are tweaked now and then as we found several errors in spelling and typos which we brought to their attention.
Other owners, let me know, do you get your members number after you pay
the total amount due? I only have a contract number and a reference number.
Wind
Wilmington, NC
ps. I didn't join tugs because this is not my life.

Would any Tugg member care to translate this latest 5.2 clause...I cannot make heads or tails of it. I too am on the hook at this resort and hopefully will get all that they promised. Thanks to all who took the pictures and the updates. Any info we can get is usefull

 

[wind]

I'm back on this blog and just want to clarify that we own homes in NC and MA and PA. So we travel between states a lot.
Right now in MA... we did receive a call from Tony last week to verify the
construction update "that all 26 pilings are in". He also gave us the new
contact for exchange and concierge services. He also said he purchased a boutique high quality resort in Los Cabos for owners to use next year.
I asked them to clarify sec. 5.2... which is basically saying that they will
make repairs at their cost not passed down to the owners. Other places in the contract say that the users will be responsible for intentional damage.
We asked Tony to reiterate that this is not a time share but fractional ownership. Any thoughts on this? (owners perferably)
still hopeful Wind

 

[Archie583]

Belaire Construction

Thank you WIND for the update. All the news I received in the past few weeks has been very positive. Keep up the good work.
We purchased our one bedroom unit under the assumption that it is fractional ownership;
Joyce & Henry

 

[lrk]

belaire vacation club

My husband and I were in PV in April and wound up buying into a timeshare at Belaire Vacation Club - we decided to rescind the next day and were bullied a bit but finally got a letter of rescission. We were to get the money refunded w/i 15 business days - it is now over a month - they do not respond to our emails or calls. Luckily the "deposit" was put on a credit card and the credit card company has filed a dispute and will take care of it for us. I think they are crooks. I met someone who knows Antonio (owner)'s
in laws in California and I understand he has had lots of legal problems here and is not likely to return to the states any time soon - what does that tell you. I feel sorry for those who are stuck.

 

[JoeG9100]

Belaire Golf & Spa

Hi,
We just returned from PV On Friday. We bought at Belaire on Wed. and were so happy, every one was so nice. It seemed much better than the The Regina presentation. I found the TUG site yesterday after we got home and now know it could be a scam. We did not see any real construction going on Wed or when we went back on Thursday. They told us that Idom was doing the construction but it looks like they are doing all the subcontracting them selfs.
I am back in Texas and am wondering how hard this will be to rescind. We are within the 5 days still. Anybody has done this form the US ? I can e-Mail and will send a notarized letter tomorrow.
Thanks for any advise.

JoeG9100

 

[Karen G]

Hi,
We are within the 5 days still. Anybody has done this form the US ? I can e-Mail and will send a notarized letter tomorrow.
Thanks for any advise.

JoeG9100

Welcome to TUG, Joe. So glad you found us while you're still in your 5-day rescission period. By all means, send a certified letter (so that you'll have a record of it being sent). I doubt it needs to be notarized unless your contract with Belaire mentions that step. If you paid a down payment with a credit card, notify your credit card company and do whatever they require to dispute the charges.

Follow whatever instructions about rescission you can find in your contract.

Go back to the main page for this Mexico forum and look at the sticky post on the top that refers to knowing your rights at a Mexican timeshare presentation and read the posts there if you haven't already. You might want to look up Profeco, a consumer help agency in Mexico. You would want to also contact them if Belaire gives you any problems with rescinding.

Good luck and keep us posted on your progress with rescinding. You've come to the right place to learn all about timeshares.

 

[JoeG9100]

Thank you KarenG I am Glad to be here. The only thing out of the ordinary in the contract about resignation is that they specify that we sing at their address. Of course that won't be possible but I am not sure that is enforceable since Proteco says all that is needed is a letter. Did anyone else get something like that in their contract?

Thanks JoeG9100

 

[JoeG9100]

Belaire Email address

HI again I can't seem to get an e_mail to Belaire so I can cancel my contract. Does anyone have an E-Mail address thet works?

memberservices@belairevacationclub.com it bounces

is thier address real ??
Albatros 420 Marina Vallarta
Puerto Vallarta Jal, Mexico, 48354

I will send mail to this address.

Thanks,

JoeG9100

 

[Karen G]

HI again I can't seem to get an e_mail to Belaire so I can cancel my contract.

I wouldn't be too concerned about canceling via email. Just send the certified letter and be sure to keep a copy along with the proof of mailing. Do it today so that you're within the specified time limit for rescission.

Did you pay anything by credit card? If so, be sure to notify your credit card company and dispute the charge.

 

[brucecz]

HI again I can't seem to get an e_mail to Belaire so I can cancel my contract. Does anyone have an E-Mail address thet works?

memberservices@belairevacationclub.com it bounces

is thier address real ??
Albatros 420 Marina Vallarta
Puerto Vallarta Jal, Mexico, 48354

I will send mail to this address.

Thanks,

JoeG9100

Joe, a email will not do to protect your legal rights.

To legally recind send copies to both Profeco and the Bellaire by Certified mail that requires a signature and keep other copies for yourself and the tracking reciept for proof.

Let both Profeco and the Bellaire know you have sent copies to each. Make sure you recind in the proper legal on all of the paperwork as Karen G said.

If you put your down payment on your charge card start the dispute process and let them know that you are still in the legal recind process.

If you paid by check call your banker explain the problem and try and stop payment on the check.

Good luck

Bruce

 

[brucecz]

I wouldn't be too concerned about canceling via email. Just send the certified letter and be sure to keep a copy along with the proof of mailing. Do it today so that you're within the specified time limit for rescission.

Did you pay anything by credit card? If so, be sure to notify your credit card company and dispute the charge.

I wonder how many seconds before I did that you posted almost the same thing I did at 9:02 AM?

I am sure that I am a slower typer than you.

Bruce

 

[Karen G]

I wonder how many seconds before I did that you posted almost the same thing I did at 9:02 AM?

I am sure that I am a slower typer than you.

Bruce

Hi, Bruce. Great minds think alike!

 

[brucecz]

Hi, Bruce. Great minds think alike!

I was thinking of posting that, but I did not want to offend you.

Bruce

 

[Blondie]

Wow, a Belaire email address that does not work-shocking

 

[JoeG9100]

Belair cancellation

Hi all,

Here is what we did today for our Belaire cancellation.
I did get the E-mail off finally. Then we took the letter had our bank notarize it then went to the post office and mailed it FED EX to member services at their address . We have a record of the letter and of our sending it. I did not think of sending one to Profeco. I can still do that if we need to. I have 2 days left
we only put a small amount on the CC we did something more stupid, we let them open instant credit for about 8K the rest went on the card. I believe they opened a RCI CC for that.

They will call us tomorrow to see what is wrong My wife sent them a mail outlining why I guess they want to discuss it. She laid into them. TUG was mentioned too. One reason was we were told IDOM was doing the construction this is not true, it is not on their website and there is a reference on TUG somebody e-Mailed them and got a response.
But the bottom line here is, they pored the piles over a month ago. They should have many workers doing the utility work and framing the foundation. Instead they went back to what you all have been discussing all along a few workers moving some dirt around. We saw it ourselves last week. Thanks and I will keep you posted.

Joeg9100

 

[brucecz]

IMHO send copies to Profeco asap so if needed they will have the information in a timely manner and have proof that you have recinded in a proper and timely manner.

Good Luck.


Bruce

 

[JoeG9100]

Belaire

OK, should I start the complaint process ? Is that how to do it? I can send it tomorrow.

 

[brucecz]

Just send them what you can document that you have recinded.

Bruce

 

[JoeG9100]

Belaire

We will scan docs. and E-mail to Profeco and then send docs by mail. They will have the case by today.

Joe

 

[chacha]

Just Received an Invite In Mail for Belaire

I just received an invite to the PV Belaire Golf Rersort and Spa. The deal seemed unbelievable and needed to be completed by 10/31/2008. Basically it was 6 nts oceanfront suite, ground transport, spa treatments for 2, 2 rounds of golf at PGA, cruise for 2, dinner for 2, and breakfast for 2 for $299. We received 2 addtional coupons for this deal to share with friends.

I decided to research the place and found all of these threads on TUG. My boyfriend is in construction and saw the pics posted on their website from April. We read the postings about 16 of the 24 footings being completed. We were VERY skeptical regarding a date that would allow the resort to be open and travel completed by 10/31/2008. In our estimation under perfect conditions, easily 12 months on an express schedule, and 2 years or more with complications. So March of 2009 as some wrote were the dates given to them seems only very slightly feasible.

Back to the offer...after trying to figure out the travel completed by 10/31/2008 in the invite, we read the fine print on the offer after all of this and saw that they "reserve the right to accomodate you at another fine resort here in Puerto Vallarta". There is a 72 hour pre-arrival cancellation w/full refund. So....did anyone visit under this invite and what resort did they put you in? Is $299 too good to be true or should we take advantage of this inexpensive vacation?

 

[fidji]

the naked truth

OK, should I start the complaint process ? Is that how to do it? I can send it tomorrow.

hi i am a new user here i might get flamed but thats ok i was reading the posts about this belair scam and i am willing to give you guys a insight what really is going on

first i am a independent from belair or any asociation with thoose guys my purpose on writing this post is to keep bad sheeps out of the market

i am working and living in puerto vallarta in the timeshare industry and beacuse of resorts like belair the vacation ownership industry gets a bad name which i cannot stand beacuse they are good developments in mexico or vallarta who will respect your deal and what ever they promisse to you, BELIAR is not one of them and here are some tips how you can spot it

1 they contract is not registered with the profeco office which stand for protecion federal de consumidor is like the consumer protection here neither are they registered with any timeshare asociastion here in puerto vallarta that is the reason that you dont see any opcs promoters from them on the street, they modus of operandi is to pirate the customers from others resorts who are legal and have opcs on the street thoose opcs would sell they mother for 20bucks so if they see a good couple who plays golf ,in there 50s jewelery fancy clothes they aproche them and offer them a lot of money or gifts to come they are called in timeshare jargon a goldball, so belair only specializes in thoose kind of prospects they pay 3 times more for a qualified couple then any other timeshare resort in vallarta why? bc they dont have any marketing cost so they figure we get 5 prospects a day all qualified job,credit cards,age, and we lie the hell to them 20% of the peopel get gready and sign up for they awsome return on investment pitch let me get this straight to you guys from a professional in that industry if you buy a timeshare to rent it out and make huge amount of money you must be a 12 year old naive boy to beleive that kinda nonsens pitch so i hope you get the point here IF A DEAL IS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE ITS PROBAPLY A SCAM 99% of the time

for all who have invested in that company i would suggest you that you go down there and ask for your money i dont know how much profeco could help you since they are not registered , the so called owners had never plans to build any hotel there this is called a hit and run operation guys they will try to lie and sell as many peopel they can with all they promisses and they fake contract who is not more worth then the paper what is it writien on until s...t hits the fan to many complains from members who dont get there weeks beacuse there is no inventory to sell yet nothing is builded and it wont i had an offer once to go and work there after being 18years in that industry i know what is right and what is wrong and after reading therre contract and all thoose unrealistic writen promises such as if you come back and we cant provide you with a room we will put you up in the marriott and so on ,and no maintnance fees pitch guys a timeshare resort cannot funcion without m.fees period so i decided not to work for thoose crooks and all those posts i read proved me right , i can tell you one thing only at the company i work customers get what they buy beacuse they buy fixed time which is asigned to each memeber for his week so there is no bs with red floating weeks which means that a resort can oversell any amount of weeks without having to controll a inventory per room or asign specifiec weeks to members so if you buy in a red floating week resort guess what ,when you call up to reserve and it is not september or may you might hear the words NOT AVALIBLE sounds familiar? so please dont blame it on the industrie of vacation ownership ,i suggest before you buy anything what is new for you make a research first and dont sign on the first day a good deal is still tomorrow a good deal ,

and for all belair owners belair is having a big personal turnover on a weekly base do you know why??? beacuse they treat the managers and sales rep or any employ as a memeber they dont get paid and have to fight for there money ,i know of one closer from here who beat mr antonio the selfnamed owner a black eye for not payng his comission and he was going with sunglases to close the tables with clients so you tell me if a serious company would do that

STAY AWAY FROM BELAIR ITS A TOTAL SCAM

i hope this clarifies everything to all memebers who still have a hope to be able to check in or ecxhange it with sfx or regsitry collection this is all bogus sorry to be so honest but i felt like its my obligation to share that piece of truth with all the concorned memebers here

please excuse my english it is not my first language

i am propably the only new user who dont write a fancy nice report about thosoe guys i noticed that too every new user trys to promote belair please dont fall for it

the profeco office is located i block away from sams club and wall amrt across the meat market so good lcuk to all off you getting yoiur money back

fidji