[2008] Belaire Golf Resort and Spa

[fidji]

the 5 days dont matter profeco has canceled contracts dating 1 year back
they rpotect the customer and no resort likes to be flaged by profeco
gl

Hi,
We just returned from PV On Friday. We bought at Belaire on Wed. and were so happy, every one was so nice. It seemed much better than the The Regina presentation. I found the TUG site yesterday after we got home and now know it could be a scam. We did not see any real construction going on Wed or when we went back on Thursday. They told us that Idom was doing the construction but it looks like they are doing all the subcontracting them selfs.
I am back in Texas and am wondering how hard this will be to rescind. We are within the 5 days still. Anybody has done this form the US ? I can e-Mail and will send a notarized letter tomorrow.
Thanks for any advise.

JoeG9100

 

[fidji]

looks liek you talking about an exit programm
a exit programm does not have any inventory they are mostly travel clubs who offer weeks from 399 to 900 us if they are free and the location you want and yes its true a exit programm cost 200us and you can give as much weeks you like and the money goes into marketing but what marketing has belair??? lol. i am happy to see that others are also concerned about the customers keep it up pvgirl

Well, regardless of the construction or not, There is a clear message in my note about the 10k and under deals. They told me that that was for the pure pupose of recovering their marketing monies.

In all serious I do hope that everything does work out on the up and up for the people that bought the big packages.

I just wanted to share my experience because I´ve been worried about people who bought and I personally haven´t seen enouch construction activity to make it seem real to me.

Best wishes.

 

[fidji]

did you get a property title issued with your fraction specified in it and registered with the bank and the mexican goverment? i doubt it its a scam guys please wake up its not even a timeshare

Thank you WIND for the update. All the news I received in the past few weeks has been very positive. Keep up the good work.
We purchased our one bedroom unit under the assumption that it is fractional ownership;
Joyce & Henry

 

[fidji]

that is just a marketing trick called fly and buy programm to get cheaper prospect to the sales room because you have to attent a sales presentation and beleive me this will be a very high pressure sale if you are on there time
stay away buy a package deal with no presentation included youl enjoy it more
good luck

I just received an invite to the PV Belaire Golf Rersort and Spa. The deal seemed unbelievable and needed to be completed by 10/31/2008. Basically it was 6 nts oceanfront suite, ground transport, spa treatments for 2, 2 rounds of golf at PGA, cruise for 2, dinner for 2, and breakfast for 2 for $299. We received 2 addtional coupons for this deal to share with friends.

I decided to research the place and found all of these threads on TUG. My boyfriend is in construction and saw the pics posted on their website from April. We read the postings about 16 of the 24 footings being completed. We were VERY skeptical regarding a date that would allow the resort to be open and travel completed by 10/31/2008. In our estimation under perfect conditions, easily 12 months on an express schedule, and 2 years or more with complications. So March of 2009 as some wrote were the dates given to them seems only very slightly feasible.

Back to the offer...after trying to figure out the travel completed by 10/31/2008 in the invite, we read the fine print on the offer after all of this and saw that they "reserve the right to accomodate you at another fine resort here in Puerto Vallarta". There is a 72 hour pre-arrival cancellation w/full refund. So....did anyone visit under this invite and what resort did they put you in? Is $299 too good to be true or should we take advantage of this inexpensive vacation?

 

[Dave M]

I find it amusing that the video-cam linked here over two months ago (April 17) apparently no longer exists and the most recent photos on the "real time" construction site are dated back in early April.

Whether it's a scam or not, I can't judge. But the purported ongoing construction, touted on this BBS for many months, doesn't seem to exist.

 

[Mule]

Please do not believe everything that people write, they seem to be mistaken.
First, Mr. Fidji is a competitor and not too informed or does'nt want to tell the whole truth. There are dozens of resorts that are not members of the time share assoc. in PV. The assoc. is like the mafia its owned by the mega resorts and they make all the rules. There is no reason for a small resort to be a member. Second, the assoc. ownes the opc's. So any resort that is not a member does not have opc's. Third, Perfecto is federal gov. thus everyone is a member or you cannot sell anything in Mexico. Fourth, there are approx. 48 commercial projects in th PV area and many have been on hold because material is hard to get. Fifth, I have watch every pier set into the ground on the web cam on a daily basis. It is current and working on Belaire's web site. Im sure that the sales tactics at the Belaire and many of the time share resorts is far from honest. However this does not mean that they do not intend to build.

 

[PamF]

If there is actual construction going on there, how come the same back hoe has been in the same spot for over a week now? I feel for the people who have purchased as this sure is looking like a scam.

The "current" pictures are all from April. That was months ago and they should actually have something to show for all this work.

 

[Mule]

There has been a lack of constrution for more than a week. For more than three weeks several projects had to stop or slow in PV because there was no steel to be had. In fact there is another huge project in the Marina that has had no constrution now for a month. On top of that it has rained almost every day in PV. You can see this in the real time camera at Belaire. Rain and lack of material can stall any construction project. I know there is a lack of ethics and honesty and to much American greed from the owners at the Belaire, however the Mexican government is very pro investment and would not let any developer blatantly cheat people as some on this site have sugguested.

 

[Mule]

Buying pre-constuction can be gut churning. Many people that purchased Belaire were not familiar with the ups and downs. Just like a penny stock, the company has no earnings now or maybe ever, you can make a heap of money if they become profitable or loose if they do not. Most people will not purchase pre-construction and only buy after they can see what they are buying. Thats why people can buy for $150,000 and sell for $300,000 when the project is done without ever taking possession. :whoopie:

 

[Blondie]

Buy for $150,000 and sell for $300,000. Ya, right... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

[Mule]

[Message deleted. Please follow the BBS "Be Courteous" rule or don't post. Dave M, BBS Moderator]

 

[zara]

Construction webcam

I found out today how to view the new webcams. Go to the homepage, and pick the heading Press and News. Construction Phase 1 will come on. Then click and 2 cameras will come on . Then press the second line down for the pics. I have done it 5 times. Twice it worked, and the other three times I had trouble getting it. Don't give it. Keep giving it a try till it works. They certainly had a lot of rain based on today's pictures. However, there are people there working.

 

[zara]

Belaire Web cam

I just tried it again, and you need to double click where it says Press and News, not going down to construction part. It just worked again doing it that way.

 

[Dave M]

Well, zara, your difficulties in making the webcam link work properly, after it has been in place for three months and has never shown us much*, is more evidence to me that this is a project that I should avoid.

Why would anyone want to sink money into a project that (1) is far from completion, (2) is being developed by an entity that seems to have no successful track record, (3) seems to have had no discernable construction activity for the past three months and (4) has numerous complaints from those who have already made a purchase?

I don't have the answer. So I guess I'll wait for however long it takes for the project to be completed and then consider buying a week on the resale market for a fraction of what it would cost me today. Meanwhile, I can invest the funds I would use for a purchase - probably for several years!

* = The "Real time construction preview pictures" show exactly the same scenario - an almost empty lot with a few pieces of construction equipment - as what we saw in mid-April. In fact, those current photos show less in the way of progress than the purported construction photos on the site that are dated during the first week of April.

 

[Blondie]

And regardless of what Mule (nice name, that) has posted above, anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that the Mexican government doesn't give a rat's patootie about its building corporations cheating people.
We read these horror stories on this board everyday. A fool and his money, and all that jazz.

 

[Snappy Sam]

Count us in as those who forgot that "if it is too good to be true..."
We bought a 1/12th (four week) package yesterday and found your website today...obviously a day too late. We plan to rescind tomorrow (Monday) first thing and skip our dinner with Marcos tomorrow night! No progress from what we saw yesterday on site compared to the April photos. And no workers, lthough you probably wouldn't expect many on a Saturday.
WE NEED ADVICE!!! What do we do first , second, third? Fortunately our deposit was by credit card so we will call them but our paperwork says we won't receive our $1700 "closing cost" back. Has anyone else had that happen?

 

[Karen G]

What do we do first , second, third? Fortunately our deposit was by credit card so we will call them but our paperwork says we won't receive our $1700 "closing cost" back. Has anyone else had that happen?

Look carefully at your paperwork and if there are any instructions about how to rescind, follow them exactly. Given the nature of all the stuff we've heard about this outfit, you may not even have rescission instructions. At any rate, just write a simple letter saying you are rescinding your agreement dated _____ . Take or send a copy to the Bellaire office. You might also send a copy to Profeco, the Mexican consumer protection agency. Notify your credit card that you are disputing the charge.

The wording in your contract about being liable for closing costs if you rescind is absurd! If the contract is rescinded, there will be no closing and no closing costs. The deal doesn't exist anymore once you rescind it. Plus, under Mexican law you have the right to rescind within a specified time period.

I'm glad you found this thread in time and let us know how your rescission goes.

 

[Snappy Sam]

Keep your fingers crossed for us!

Thank you so much Karen for your words of advice. We realy appreciate it. I'll be writing our letter of rescission shortly and we'll make copies and deliver it ourselves this morning. We WILL let everyone know what happens.
And for anyone who has heard the lack of steel for buildfing projects and the torrential rains excuses....we've witnessed three other building projects that aren't delayed by lack of materials or the rain so don't buy in to those excuses!

 

[brucecz]

Thank you so much Karen for your words of advice. We realy appreciate it. I'll be writing our letter of rescission shortly and we'll make copies and deliver it ourselves this morning. We WILL let everyone know what happens.
And for anyone who has heard the lack of steel for buildfing projects and the torrential rains excuses....we've witnessed three other building projects that aren't delayed by lack of materials or the rain so don't buy in to those excuses!

When we recinded we did the same plus we sent a copy by registered mail to the Belaire and also mailed a copy to Perfecto and kept several copies in case our charge company wanted proof. We also are keeping copies for our own records.

Bruce

 

[Karen G]

we sent a copy by registered mail to the Belaire and also mailed a copy to Perfecto and kept several copies in case our charge company wanted proof. We also are keeping copies for our own records.

Excellent advice. I forgot to mention that you must get some kind of record showing that you submitted your letter and they received it. If you handcarry it to the office, have someone there sign a copy for you showing they received it. Also, it would be good to do as Bruce did above in sending it registered or certified mail to also have that record of receipt.

 

[Archie583]

Zara,
I have no problem watching the construction in real time. I do the following:
1. Go to the Belaire site
2. Click on Press & News
3. When the pictures come up double click on the one you want to look at;
4. Click on Video Active X Mode
5. If you are running windows a yellow band will appear. You must give permission to windows to install active X controls. You have to click on it and install the active x controls. You must do this every time you want to watch the construction.
6. You can see the people and machines actually move around
It looks very muddy there but you can see the big machines digging around.
I hope this helps you.
Henry

 

[Blondie]

Is there any way to discern if these are, indeed, new images and not just old footage being rerun?

 

[PamF]

Zara,
I have no problem watching the construction in real time. I do the following:

What exactly are you watching? The 2 men (HUGE CREW) standing around the hole with water in it? Seriously, what is going on there?

 

[zara]

Thanks. I think we have to keep the faith. What else can we do?? It is the rainy season, and they were overwhelmed with water. It is being drained out, and hopefully progress will be made unless there's alot more water. We have to think positively. They are obviously employing more than 2 people, which everyone can see if you watch the videos enough.

 

[SenorOjO]

My experience at Belaire

Just got back from Puerto Vallarta and had the pleasure :hystericalf attending a presentation at the Belaire Golf resort. Was offered $400.00 incentive to attend. the deal was as outline previously. $125,000 for four weeks in a one bedroom. No maintenance fees if purchased the same day as presentation. Guarantee for a buy back at what you paid. Guarantee payment for each week you did not use of $2000 for a total of up $8000. Term set for 100 years (renewable every 25 at no cost). Thought it is represented as fractional of minimal of four weeks to full ownership. They never mentioned a title reflecting this. They made claims about having acess to a lear jet for traveling to and from the resort. Access to yaghts. Registry exchange.

They then showed me and my wife the model units. Pure luxury and of a size that was beyond belief. I estimated that the studio unit measured more than 1200 square feet and the masters suite must of measured at about 1600 square feet.

It was clearly an unbelievable proposal that by its very nature was to good to believe. I didn't fall for it and did not purchase.

I have extensive experience in the field of architecture, development (structuing development deals), and construction, having worked for the City of Los Angeles in overseeing economic development for the city and have a degree in Architecture from California Polythecnic University.

The biggest giveaway that I should not trust what was presented to me was the quality and size of the model units. a developer builds the maximum amount of units he can sell to maximize his profit and taking into consideration the market values. The quality of materials should also be in line with the price. It is like a dealership selling you a car of the quality of a mercedez at the price of a honda. As much as we wish it, it does not happen. The units more realistically should have been half the size of what they where for the price they were seeking. Secondly the site is not the most ideal site for a creme de la creme development. The best quality units will be found in the best sites and with an appropriated sales tag. The site of the Belaire is not a quality site. Indeed the development faces and is next to the major PV airport and indeed when we were at the presentation we could hear quite well several planes taking off. Thought it overlooks a golf course, it does not have direct ocean acess or will even have ocean views (since existing nine story highrise resorts to the west will block views of the bay).

They never gave me a feeling of confidence that they could or would be able to follow through in building what they said they were. This is not to say that they were able to sway a couple at another table to purchase (based on the poping of the sparkly and applause from staff on the couple becoming new owners).

As to the building site. I did not see any construction activity and basically the site is still in site prep at best. We stayed at the nearby Velas Vallarta and would take daily walks by the Belair and never saw more than a couple of workers basically doing very little. the presenter indicated to me that they were just going to start construction sometime in three weeks. they were awaiting the completion and acceptance of the environmental impact report by the government. Not a very good sign since this part of vallarta was wetlands and development would require dealing with natural habitats and a very high water table.


Upon our return to the States Friday July 11 a few days after the presentation at Belair, I mentioned to my wife that I was left with the impression that unlike other presentations I have attended were the thruth is streched a little to make a sale, the belair smelled to me like a real scam. That it was very unlikely that anything would be built there. That is when I decided to go to the internet and see what I could find out about the Belair and came upon the Tug Blog (thought I have been a member for two years).

I hope I am wrong on this gvien that people have plopped hard earned money on dreams. but based on what I saw I doubt that I am wrong.