[2008] Belaire Golf Resort and Spa

[zara]

Web cam

Obviously the airport is not going to be moved. HOWEVER, construction is taking place-maybe slowly, but we all can see progress being made. Can't we just be a little positive for a change? Especially for us who have paid a while ago. Hopefully construction will continue to move forward, and the place will be as good as promised. I am trying to be positive. I think those of us involved could use some good comments for a change.

 

[pammex]

Obviously the airport is not going to be moved. HOWEVER, construction is taking place-maybe slowly, but we all can see progress being made. Can't we just be a little positive for a change? Especially for us who have paid a while ago. Hopefully construction will continue to move forward, and the place will be as good as promised. I am trying to be positive. I think those of us involved could use some good comments for a change.

Belair has told many people that the airport will be moved when they gave the objection of may be noisy with airplanes taking off and landing so close.....they even told me and my husband that they were going to move existing airport and also add a second airport on the South Side...duh, it is a mountain!!! They also told us they were going to put a road straight thru to NV.....( exactly where the military base is...come on....Maybe if Belair told the truth instead of fabrications people would not be so leary of the slow construction and such.

I think lots of people are trying to be positive and trying to help....some of us have no vested interest and we feel for those of you who have laid out, I am sure a hefty sum of money. I have always said I hope my suspicions are wrong and have my fingers crossed that it turns out as promised but sometimes reality and facts do not coincide with wishes.

Yes, there is some construction but dare I say for the length of time it is minimal...sorry that is a reality....yes there are workers, but far too few for a project of its size, again sorry but reality.....

I have seen whole housing developments in Mexico, much larger than what is expected at Belair already constructed and finished, something wrong with that picture......

The positives if they build as promised it will be just wonderful....the units and such were incredible. I do hope this does come to fruition as you want, but I also think all involved should be proactive, involve Profeco and also do whatever it is you need to do to protect your interests, already some of you must have lost time in use of unit NO?

I believe everyone is just trying to help...........that is positive!!

 

[pammex]

Yes snappy sam, I have received some unnecessary private message from a guest in regards to Belair that had no reason to be PM'd could have just been posted......I think your thoughts may be correct!!

 

[Snappy Sam]

Private messages

Yes snappy sam, I have received some unnecessary private message from a guest in regards to Belair that had no reason to be PM'd could have just been posted......I think your thoughts may be correct!!

My guess is we aren't the only ones with Private Messages from a "Guest". So in the interest of everyone, here is what we received along with our reply for what it's worth:
QUOTE=maxwd]We bought at Belaire in the summer of 2007 and have had nothing but aggrevation. We supposedly had a "money back guarantee" and when it became apparent the development was going nowhere, we wanted our money back. Of course, it never happened though we have tried multiple times to speak with Carlos, Antonio, the builder, Jaime, and have since filed complaints with Profeco. We are at a standstill. Cannot get them to offer us alternate vacation time and while we have in writing the guarantee of withdrawing the contract, it is not happening. We made a sizable investment and we are infuriated. Profeco told us that there would be a hearing about one month ago, and then said it was postponed and is due to happen in Oct. Any suggestions? Do we have any hope of getting results? WE WANT OUT!!!![/QUOTE]
Let us suggest that you go to the lengthy Belaire thread (the one with several pages of messages) and read through all of the advice many, many folks have given there. We followed the direction given by Bruce and Karen G the Mexico Moderator and then got busy ourselves.
Do you know the full names of any of those people at Belaire? Antonio and Carlos are supposdly related and now Antonio's son Jonathan works there too. If you have any complete names please let us know.
Become a TUG member and add your questions, comments, etc. to the Board. You will find a whole lot of help there!!!
We wish you a good outcome and I suggest you organize with the other TUG members for help.

 

[Snappy Sam]

Trying to help

I agree that the positive is that everyone is trying to help. To that effect, we all have access to a very long thread of questions/concerns/complaints on the Belaire demonstrating lots of conflicting promises, commitments, etc. on their part which can serve as "evidence" for everyone. We suggest you copy the long thread as well as this one at some point to keep in case you need it at some point.
There truly is strength in numbers and many of us who are in the same boat so to speak along with many others like Pammex have pitched in with great advice for all. The ultimate positive is that sense of knowing that there really are some great people in this world and it seems many are TUG members!

 

[judy23]

I have their business cards. Carlos Gadea; Jaime Gomez; and if I can find Antonio's I will post it.

 

[Snappy Sam]

I have their business cards. Carlos Gadea; Jaime Gomez; and if I can find Antonio's I will post it.

Judy...Thank you for those names! That gives us real names to deal with instead of jusdt a company name. Of course that's if those are their real names!

Antonio told us he didn't have a business card because they weren't allowed legally to use them in Mexico. Gee, that's a strange law. :annoyed:

 

[KarenLK]

Funny...a friend of a friend in PV is a realtor and I have HIS business card.

 

[pammex]

Judy...Thank you for those names! That gives us real names to deal with instead of jusdt a company name. Of course that's if those are their real names!

Antonio told us he didn't have a business card because they weren't allowed legally to use them in Mexico. Gee, that's a strange law. :annoyed:

We do have some strange laws in Mexico or should I say different.....but that is a new one on me...:hysterical:

My PM's were from guests with positive things to say about Belair, like construction progress etc....I just deleted them...

 

[taffy19]

Judy...Thank you for those names! That gives us real names to deal with instead of jusdt a company name. Of course that's if those are their real names!

Antonio told us he didn't have a business card because they weren't allowed legally to use them in Mexico. Gee, that's a strange law. :annoyed:

That isn't true. I have many business card from RE brokers and timeshare salesmen too.

Snappy Sam, I have received many PMs from people who bought at another resort and must not have wanted to ask their questions in a forum. Some people like to stay private and rather ask questions privately. This is why they may have contacted some of you personally too. JMHO.

I would take positive PM's about this development with a grain of salt as they sound fishy. What a nightmare to go through if you "invested" your hard earned money in this resort. Next time we go to PV/NV I would like to see it in person and how they can fool so many people unless they shape up one day and get it built.

Have Profeco help you if you read this forum and see what they can do for you. They already helped others so they are aware of the problem.

 

[Mule]

[Message deleted. You may post of your own experiences and of your own opinions, but you may not attack others in a manner that is less than courteous. (See the "Be Courteous" section of the Posting Rules located on the above blue bar). Dave M, BBS Moderator]

 

[PamF]

So Mule spoke to several of the construction workers. Well judging from the webcam, that's all that there are.....several. Just checked the "LIVE" webcam and counted 4 workers.

 

[Linda74]

If it looks like a scam, smells like a scam, it probably is a scam. As I posted months ago, we toured the property and came away struck by the impossibility of all the promises (moving the airport, etc). Unfortunately, it seems they are using a portion of the money "robbed" from owners to lure more people for a tour, rather than building what they promised to build.
I sincerely hope that all of the victims get their money back.

 

[Snappy Sam]

Let's be cautious...

I'm afraid that a thread can be shut down if it goes to name calling. This is the second attempt by Mule to get us to do just that. Mule seems to start with attacking other Tuggers who are sharing information and I hope that isn't done in an attempt to get this thread shut down.
I understand why the Belaire wouldn't want anyone to find this thread as it is filled with up to date information, helpful ideas on what to do, and lots of care and concern.
Let me suggest Mule that you take your Mayan comments and complaints to a new thread.

 

[TROOPER08]

I have their business cards. Carlos Gadea; Jaime Gomez; and if I can find Antonio's I will post it.

The man's name is Antonio Copela...or at least thats what his card says. He made himself out to be the head of this operation but Jonathan James Tomasellio signature is on all the paperwork (rumored to be Antonio's son).

 

[pammex]

sorry I am trying to get my pics up....one camera card has worked and the pics are in my computer, for some strange reason I am having problem with the other camera card, one is Sony fine, the other Canon SD, keeps giving me some alert and will not put photos in computer, anyway will try over weekend to put in my laptop and see if that works, then I will get them on this site...so I foget how do I post pics to this site...I know I did it before and asked before but I am really frustrated with all the computer and internet problems have been having of late so just need a quick answer, no time to search back..please?? Thanks.

 

[Blondie]

"Also, for all you tuggers that can't see the ongoing construction, you might need some computer skills assistance. . . . . Dozens of resorts are disclosed in this special report that have had building delays and have structural problems from fast unchecked construction. Don't be fooled by ney-sayers on this tug site. " MULE

FYI, Mule (and I gotta say that name is a good fit)
Decades ago the Empire State Building in New York city was built in under a year. And that without the current, state of the art equipment and computer imaging, etc. Perhaps after a year and a half of nothing but moving dirt piles it is time for folks to face the music-- someone is walzing away with their money and this project is a front for robbery. Oh- by the way, last time I looked the Empire State Building was still standing and in good repair. So nay-sayers- stand up and be counted. You are the only ones with brains enough to see through this scam.

 

[brucecz]

Thanks to snappy sam, we now know all you tuggers were wrong. Belaire is a member of profeco. Also, for all you tuggers that can't see the ongoing construction, you might need some computer skills assistance. . . . . Alert, beware: now over 2500 lawsuits against GRAND MAYAN in US. Grand Mayan pulls operation out of US, sells to Hotel Chain and soon will be changing their name! . . . Dozens of resorts are disclosed in this special report that have had building delays and have structural problems from fast unchecked construction. Don't be fooled by ney-sayers on this tug site.

I have deleted parts of this post that could be construed to be an advertisement. Karen G, Moderator

Mule, please post a link to the special report you mentioned above stating that Quote" Dozens of resorts are disclosed in this special report that have had building delays and have structural problems from fast unchecked construction." Unquote.

Thanks in advance to your positive response in posting that link.

Bruce

 

[pammex]

okay I have the pics in my computer, there was a problem with one of the memory cards but I finally got it to put pics in computer, so I can get them on here, but please remind me how to put pics on this site to save me time....

I'll get them on this site tomorow night or over weekend if someone tells me how...they are from July 2008....

 

[pammex]

This has taken me all night...must be an easier way..hope this is right..

 

[pammex]

I think you can click on the pics for bigger picture....

 

[pammex]

I have no clue what I am doing but think it is working...

 

[pammex]

must be an easier way...

 

[pammex]

more..

 

[pammex]