[2008] Belaire Golf Resort and Spa

[brucecz]

Bruce I was at the Belaire the day you cancelled. Because they would not allow you to use your weeks for commercial sale as you do with all your other 100 weeks. I clearly heard this being told to you and you having a spasm. My comments are from personal experience. As another example of Tug members twisting the truth. Comparing the Empire State building to Belaire is ludicrous. Empire had 3,400 workers and 5 died. Constrution was a competition in NY for tallest building, financed by billionair John Raskob and chaired by the former gov. Much of the office space went unrented and they dubed it the empty state building. It was not even profitable until 1950 almost 20yrs later. A handful of you Tug members have clearly twisted information to suit your own unknown agenda's. Some of your members have posted when they clearly do not have the knowledge to do so. One of your members even claims the real time camera's are fake and defends a resort (Grand Mayan)that has had to close their US offices because they cheat everyone. When I point out all the misinformation posted about Belaire Tug deletes it. Makes me believe Tug is owned by Grand Mayan!

:rofl: :rofl:


All the above in your post is as true as the Belaire being completed this September:rofl: . In fact Marcos pitched that the Belaire wanted us to do rentals so the Belaire could try to sell them.

The Belaire seems to only hire the Mayan ex employes like Marcos.

Seeing you could not provide proof on your "claim of a special report" :hysterical: you may not acknowledge that a lot of the sales group at the Mayan like Marcos are ex Mayan employees.

You have IMHO through your posts have lost all of your creditability.

Bruce :rofl:

 

[brucecz]

[Message deleted. For the reason why, see the first and last sentences in TUGBrian's most recent post. Dave M, BBS Moderator]

 

[pammex]

Hi Bruce....Just want to keep everything on the up and up so no misunderstandings etc....the pics I posted yes were posted on Aug 15 but they are from July 2008, so about a month old...not that I am sure a month in the scope of this makes much difference...but just do not want to give an leeway for more discrepancy from some...LOL.....

Personally I think a lot of the "guest" posters here should lay out the money and become members, instaed of making inuendos (sp) about them ( the Tug Members)....hmm..

 

[mterra]

I was out of my 5 day window. I would think I could fight it. I have been looking at the webcam every day. There actually was visible progress when I looked earlier this morning. I just looked again and more progress. I am going to give it a little more time and gamble, even though I remain sick to my stomach. Actually, this is all I think about.
I am going to make some phone calls to different places based on info we got while we were there. I will look into registry collection again, it may have been a while since that post. They are also suppose to be with SFX. I will post my findings once I have them.

Mary

 

[zara]

Belaire

I'm with mterra. Progress is being made-slowly, but it is being made. Can someone else write in who is a little optomistic for a change? All this negativity is rather depressing. Thank you.

 

[Blondie]

Zara- Call it negativity, call it reality. Many people here have seen folks separated from their hard-earned money and their major interest is in protecting you and others from suffering that crushing blow. Tuggers are not happy with what they are reading/seeing from Belaire and they are speaking out. Of course we hope for the best for everyone, but the probability of this company following through on their promises is remote. Hopefully, others will be spared this nightmare if they educate themselves and understand how easily they can be duped. That is the purpose of what is being written here, and not to upset those who have bought. But, the good news is that you are not alone and many voices carry great weight, should you all decide enough is enough. That is the power of Tug.

 

[mterra]

In a post somewhere at sometime, the question was raised on if Belaire is in the registry collection. I called the registry collection today. Their admission to the Registry Collection is to be announced in March 2009. Once they obtain owners and have an inspection they will complete the paper work and then they will be on board.
I also have a call in to Make a Wish Foundation. Was told that if you sell them one of your timeshares they will take the money and donate it to Make a Wish. There was a plack(?) on the wall from make a wish, I didn't read it specifically, just remember seeing it. Also a stuffed toy with a Make a Wish t-shirt on, so whatever that all means. I tried looking on the Make a Wish website to see if I could find donors. Am also waiting for a call back from them.
Anyway, just my work for the day. I am glad I found this site. I do appreciate what everyone has to say, especially those skeptical and their reasons why. I am taking a risk at this time, and am aware of the consequences on down the road if this is all a scam. I will be ready to take them on at that time if need be.

Thank you for reading
Mary

 

[Colorado Belle]

Well I don' tknow anything about the Bellaire specifically,
but Mexico and PV in particular is rife with timeshare projects that never get finished and the developer either absconds with your full payment or
ends up changing the development, the units, the MF fees, the amenities and you are kinda stuck.

It's the same with full ownership condos..Aqua is a good example, tho people are finally getting closed, the price has about doubled.

I'm a risk taker, but the rewards aren't worth buying something in Mexico if it isn't already completely finished. Since they don't often do just earnest money until closing like in the states, (instead you are often required to pay in full some 3 years before the things is built)...the amount you might save is eaten up by the delays and the interest you could have earned on the money.

Again, I know nuttin about the Bellaire specifically.

 

[Archie583]

Belaire Golf Resort and Spa

I just received a email from a Belaire owner asking for $500.00 to pursue a class action suit against Belaire. I was wondering if any other Tug memebers received this email and what do you think about this effort. I purchased a one bedroom unit at Belaire in 2007.
Thank you in advance for any help in this matter.

 

[Snappy Sam]

Class Action?

I see you are a Guest on this website and am curious how you received your email regarding a class action suit. Please accept my apologies if this sounds as if I am questioning you as that isn't my purpose. I would wonder who and how someone got your name? We have received nothing of the kind so would find this pretty suspect.:annoyed:

 

[Blondie]

It appears that the previous poster to you S Sam uses his email as his log in name and that anyone can email him via PM here at Tug or use the email displayed. Bear in mind Belaire owners, with all the publicized info posted here it would be easy for someone to pose as a concerned owner who is "collecting" money, wouldn't it?? Just use caution folks...

 

[Archie583]

Belaire Golf Resort and Spa

I totally agree with Blondie that we must be very careful regarding this class action suit. We will not participate in such a suit at this time but we will keep our options open. Thanks Blondie for the sound advise.

 

[Aussiedog]

Step carefully.....

My attorney-DH has been a one of the lead attorneys in several big national and regional class actions and in those cases no one was ever charged to participate.

Be careful......

Ann

 

[zara]

belaire

Does everyone notice that progress is certainly being made? Things are looking good. Have faith.

 

[pianodinosaur]

Bruce I was at the Belaire the day you cancelled. Because they would not allow you to use your weeks for commercial sale as you do with all your other 100 weeks. I clearly heard this being told to you and you having a spasm. My comments are from personal experience. As another example of Tug members twisting the truth. Comparing the Empire State building to Belaire is ludicrous. Empire had 3,400 workers and 5 died. Constrution was a competition in NY for tallest building, financed by billionair John Raskob and chaired by the former gov. Much of the office space went unrented and they dubed it the empty state building. It was not even profitable until 1950 almost 20yrs later. A handful of you Tug members have clearly twisted information to suit your own unknown agenda's. Some of your members have posted when they clearly do not have the knowledge to do so. One of your members even claims the real time camera's are fake and defends a resort (Grand Mayan)that has had to close their US offices because they cheat everyone. When I point out all the misinformation posted about Belaire Tug deletes it. Makes me believe Tug is owned by Grand Mayan!

:rofl: We stayed at the Grand Mayan Riviera Maya earlier this year. I submitted a review. We do not own at the Grand Mayan nor are we employed by the Grand Mayan. My criticisms of the Grand Mayan high pressure sales tactics were hardly censored. However, the Grand Mayan is a beautiful resort that is very well maintained. The Grand Mayan Riviera Maya is truly an excellent exchange. I am submitting a photo taken earlier this year.

 

[Snappy Sam]

Sorry Zara

Does everyone notice that progress is certainly being made? Things are looking good. Have faith.

I know you would like to remain optomistic Zara but it's really time for you to get busy dealing with the possibility that what you are seeing is just enough for those of you who haven't rescinded to keep the faith. The amount of money this operation has collected should have produced so much more than what you see. What have they done with all of that money?

 

[brucecz]

Thank you Mule for your candid observation. I have been following this thread since its inception.It is very clear to me as well as to the motives of some of the responses.

So Judy are you saying that you completely agree 100% with the Mules posting posting above that Quote "When I point out all the misinformation posted about Belaire Tug deletes it. Makes me believe Tug is owned by Grand Mayan! Unquote.

I would suggest you and others use the Tug search feature and type in the Mayan Group and note the many many negative postings that are posted on Tug about the Mayan Group.

Or use Goggles search feature today and if you type in "Grupo Mayan complains" you will see Tug postings listed on the first page complaining about the Mayan.

Please post and let us know in a reply post that yours somehow believe the Mules posting that "Tug is owned by the Grand Mayan"


If you agree 100% with the Mule then I have to wonder and ask you about your agenda as that claim of Mule does not hold up under examination for the 2 above provable reasons.


I looked at your record of Tug postings and note that as many of them are asking for the same thing in regards in to the Belaire.


Then it is very clear to me as well as to the motives of some of the responses that would condone and support that type of misleading postings by the Mule. Many of those postings are easily disproved by people that do not have a agenda supporting the Belaire and the tactics used by posters like the Mule.


You and several others as Snappy Sam pointed out feel the Belaire should be given more time as a zara said they are making progress. Most of Zara's posts if reviewed over the past few months are similar to her last posting.


Judy, please just also answer this other simple question, if after looking other the 3 different Belaire strings has Belaire completely fulfilled even 10% of their promises made over one years time. IMHO the simple is no the Belaire has not.

But I hope that the people who have bought ownerships at the Belaire that they end up getting what they were promised. But I am glad we cancelled almost a year ago when we had the chance and not have to deal over a years time of the uncertainly caused by the Belaire huge timetable delays.

I am very glad we are not in the position of worrying what the result of paying over $100,000 like some may have and not cancelled.

Better luck in the future compared to the last year or so to those that did not cancel in regards to the Bellaire.


Bruce

 

[zara]

belaire

Bruce, you are right. I have continued to try to be positive. I purchased over a year or so, so I really don't have any other choice right now. Do I?

 

[brucecz]

Bruce, you are right. I have continued to try to be positive. I purchased over a year or so, so I really don't have any other choice right now. Do I?

I truely hope you and the others will get what you paid for from the Belaire.

But IMHO some of the most negitive posts that are not dealing with the issues, concerns and questions raised are posted by some of the Belaire supporters.

Good luck to you and others in your postion in your dealings with the Belaire and we hope you get everything you were promised and paid for.

Bruce

 

[Snappy Sam]

You DO have recourse!

I don't believe it is ever too late to act. We followed the advice on the Belaire threads given to us from Bruce and Karen G, neither of whom had any real motivation other than to help. I believe Bruce truly does hope all who have invested will actually get the benefits someday.
My coneren for you is what you should do next. Don't wait...ACT! You could always push forward the agenda of trying to get out of what has apparently been a bad deal gone worse! Maybe it is late but if you don't act, you will have to live with the consequences of not trying. If that's ok with you then that's ok with those of us who are trying to encourage you to do something.
I'd take the time this weekend to review all of the recommendations provided on the Belaire threads. You certainly have as great case of not getting what you were promised.

 

[Colorado Belle]

I'm spending a little over 3 weeks in Puerto Vallarta in November. If someone tells me where the Belaire is located, I will go to the site and try to get as many pictures as possible to post here. I also tend to be good at 'picking up' information as to what is really going on. That said, it is well known that many developers in Mexico take money up front and then take a powder. And there aren't nearly the same laws in place to protect investors.
On the other hand, some people would rather wait and see rather than spend more money on attorneys...and that is just a personal choice. Good luck to those of you who have already invested and to those of you who are thinking about investing in an unfinished Mexican project...BEWARE.

 

[pammex]

I'm spending a little over 3 weeks in Puerto Vallarta in November. If someone tells me where the Belaire is located, I will go to the site and try to get as many pictures as possible to post here. I also tend to be good at 'picking up' information as to what is really going on. That said, it is well known that many developers in Mexico take money up front and then take a powder. And there aren't nearly the same laws in place to protect investors.
On the other hand, some people would rather wait and see rather than spend more money on attorneys...and that is just a personal choice. Good luck to those of you who have already invested and to those of you who are thinking about investing in an unfinished Mexican project...BEWARE.

The Belair is located in the Marina area...if you go from Bay View Grand I think it is called it is down the street. I am sure someone can post the exact address. People in Mexico tend to be very closed mouthed about what is really going on...that is the way things are in Mexico. The laws are completely different, not even close.

I am sure you can even find a timeshare street shark to take you to presentation for a few hundred dollars or more. You surely would get a better feel for what is occurring then..

I have not found any developers yet that have taken money and then a powder but I am sure it happens as it does everywhere, but the contract in and of itself is shaky....

This place is not in the unfinished state it is in the not started state!!!!

I guess I can understand those who want to wait and see, as they are hoping and I am hoping for them too....I also can see where they do not want to spend even more money on attorneys or should I say Notarios in Mexico ( above an attorney), but I believe Profeco is helping people way beyond the resind period. So that is definately an option.

Boy I tell you if this should actually come to fruition, the units are beautiful and I will wish I'd have bought, but .....my mind says otherwise...

 

[pammex]

Bruce, you are right. I have continued to try to be positive. I purchased over a year or so, so I really don't have any other choice right now. Do I?

Zara, yes you have tried to be positive...things can be slow in Mexico, that is true...but this is a tad much....

You purchased over a year ago well as Snappy Sam said never to late to act. Contact profeco anyway......it is unusable to you, let Profeco know that, let them know of the promises made in writing etc....

Maybe those of us who do not have money invested at this point are able to see beyond the trees as they say....

I am usually very positive even in bad situations and just trying to help out others, as though it seems not to be so, who am I to know for sure...but many people have laid out a ton of money, and well you should get something for it or take action...believe me when I posted my last pics I certainly was hoping to post something more positive than what I saw..but my pics certainly did not show what some posters were saying had or was happening...so....what does that tell you....

I wish you only the best...I wish Belair would do the best for their investors and themselves by doing as promised....I wish for a lot of things...

I hate to see people lose hard earned money and such in timeshares anywhere as I love timesharing and I hate to see people losing money in Mexico also as I love Mexico for vacations and such, and well this does turn people away from Mexico and timesharing....

I believe someone, maybe you, posted about the web cam pics, do they match up to mine??? Also another person has offered to take pics and post....but how long are you wiling to be positive and look at that half full glass instead of the half empty one!!

Snappy Sam made a great post previous to mine!!!

 

[hillclimber]

web cams

I was watching the web cams on their site and the cam on the right refreshes but the guy in it never moves, the cam on the left appears to repeat after a period of time, it seems when the velas vallarta van is in the view of the cam the workers are always in the same place.

 

[Snappy Sam]

See the cam repeats frequently

Wow! At first we thought it was just us and then we realized we've seen repeat web cam shots too. It does seem to be more frequent on the left camera.
And then some people wonder why we appreciate photos such as Pammex took the time to put up?
Many thanks for those of you who continue to post photos.