[2008] Belaire Golf Resort and Spa

[pammex]

that is it for this time...lost quite a few with the camera card problems and during upload as well...as you can see for all this time, not too much done....sorry!

 

[Karen G]

Pam, thank you so much for taking the time to post your pictures. I know how frustrating it is to work with pictures on the computer, and I know everyone appreciates your effort.

 

[pammex]

Thanks Karen....I am sure I am doing it the hard way....but when I have some time, I'll try to learn more about all this...just wanted to get these pics to everyone, as I had promised and was afraid to try different ways for fear of losing all ths pics.....

I wish they showed a lot of construction for all those who have laid out money....but maybe those invested can check the webcam and see if it cioncides with my pics and then do whatever they must.

Best wishes for all!!

 

[zara]

Belaire pics

thanks for all your hard work, but people just need to go on the website to see the progress. Would have saved you lots of frustration. Thanks though.

 

[mterra]

Belaire

OK, I am brand new to this site and am now very concerned/nervous.

I just returned home from PV. We went to the presentation and thought it was wonderful. So, we signed/bought. I looked over all the paperwork, made notes and we revisited the next day to ask questions.

After finding this site and reading all the posts starting from Nov 2007 I reread all my paperwork, while having a large knot in my stomach. I did not find any article 5.2. Nothing that says anything like that at all.

A couple of quotes in the contract. Please help me, let me know if I am misunderstanding.

"Notice: Any bearer of this consumer's credit contract shall be subject to any claim or defense a debtor may have against the seller of the properties or services acquired hereunder or with the economical product hereof. Recovery of any amount from debtor, hereunder, shall not exceed the amounts paid by debtor hereunder. This contract has been recorded with the public registry of adherence contracts of the federal consumers attorney general's office, under number 3564/2007, entry granted to world resorts marketing enterprises, s der. l. de c.v."

"In accordance with the eleven clause in the purchase and pre-sale contract of a membership covering the rights of use of a vacational unit eneted i;nto by the buyer and the seller on this same dat ("the contract"), the buyer deposited the Membership in Belaire Golf Resort & Spa (PRC) in exchange for a membership issued by Belaire Golf Resort and Spa (PRC), allowing access to variable units d;uring any seasons at any of the Private Residence Clubs affiliated to the exchange companies."

They are with HSI, SFexchange, and RCI--what they told us anyway.

We took pics and there is some progress from the pics posted already. We were told that the first 4 floors of both towers should be completed by "the first of the year." Owners could start using at that time although construction would still be going on. Said should be completed in 18 months.

We talked with Marcos, so yes, he is still there. Jonathan Tomasello signed most of the paper work with Carlos Gadea signing one of the papers.

So, if anyone has any words of wisdom, that has not been already said, please respond.

Thank you

Mary

 

[Blondie]

Nice website, but I wish people would learn how to spell "accommodations" correctly. Attention to detail is important, even if it is only spelling. After all, how hard is it to use spellcheck?

 

[Linda74]

Thanks for the photos, Pam. Blondie, I am with you. Our DD is getting married in October. They had an insert printed about the hotel block for the wedding invitations (250 of them), and spelled accommodations wrong. It was a $100 mistake. They had to be reprinted but they could not send them out that way. Accommodations is one word they will never spell wrong again!!!

 

[Karen G]

So, if anyone has any words of wisdom, that has not been already said, please respond.

If you are still within your rescission time period, you might want to seriously considering rescinding your contract. The deal will most certainly still be there if, after you've done plenty of research, you still think it's a good thing to purchase. But, you have just this one opportunity to rescind. Don't miss it!

 

[pammex]

My only comment...listen closely to Karen's post above.....rescind..

 

[pammex]

thanks for all your hard work, but people just need to go on the website to see the progress. Would have saved you lots of frustration. Thanks though.

You are welcome Zara but I think webcams can be altered, and there were many, some time back who were questioning its validity. I had promised to take actual photos while there, so despite my frustration it was worth it to me to help out other Tuggers, who have in past helped me so much.

My frustration was in my own lack of knowledge in posting the photos and in a corrupted or faulty SD card.

I am sure I am far less frustrated than all of the Tuggers who have laid out good money and have been waiting so long for this dream to happen. My frustration is nothing compared to what I am sure they are going through.

To all the Tuggers who helped me in past...thank you...this is the best group f people I have encountered on a website and I am involved in many. Thanks.

Best wishes on this incredible, unbelievable issue with Belair.

 

[pammex]

Nice website, but I wish people would learn how to spell "accommodations" correctly. Attention to detail is important, even if it is only spelling. After all, how hard is it to use spellcheck?

If per chance I have done this, gee I am sorry. I am a very poor typist and usually trying to do so much at once...I have to say I am one of those who does not use a spellcheck ( by the way apparently I just noticed my machine does do spellcheck on its own, many times I ignore it as many times I am typing in two languages etc. ) but just noted spell check is underlined, must be two words.......LOL

Think it is a minor issue considering the seriousness of this whole Belair thing!

 

[Karen G]

If per chance I have done this, gee I am sorry.

I think the poster who mentioned the spelling error was referring to the Belaire website where they do indeed misspell "accommodations."

 

[Mule]

Why can't I post a reply to all the lies that your members post?:ignore:

 

[Mule]

Sorry Bruce but Tug will not let me post any negative report. Im sure its because it will show all the deceit that some tug members have been posting about the Belaire.

 

[Mule]

Bruce, It seems that you are staring to have an open mind to some logic. If you wish email me and I would be happy to inform you of as to the names and problems with several projects in PV. Lots worse than the Belaire. As for tug, they are bias and very scared of the truth.

 

[Mule]

Blondie, They call me Mule because I run in the no spin zone and when I find brain dead people I like to kick hard. Congats, you know of one.

 

[Mule]

I attack people who do not know what they are writing about, yet twist and lie.

 

[Karen G]

Mule "I attack people who do not know what they are writing about, yet twist and lie."

TUG does not allow personal attacks so don't post any.

Mule "As for tug, they are bias and very scared of the truth."

The people who have reported personal encounters with the sales people at Belaire or who have personally witnessed the construction or lack thereof have no reason to lie.

 

[brucecz]

Bruce, It seems that you are staring to have an open mind to some logic. If you wish email me and I would be happy to inform you of as to the names and problems with several projects in PV. Lots worse than the Belaire. As for tug, they are bias and very scared of the truth.

My logic is based on that I own and have access over 100 timeshare weeks per year and the Belaire contrat is the only contract I have ever cancelled.

I am so gald that I did cancel that Belaire contract for the reasons stated in the 2 earlier strings.

It seems that you the Mule is backing off on your claim and blaming Tug as the reason why you did not post proof of your claim in the form of a link.

I strongly doubt that Tug would prevent you for posting a link that may be of help to Tuggers. You come accross like a deveoper timeshare sales person.


Last year when we tourned in September they said the Belaire would be up and running on or before September of 2008.

It seems like the SS Belaire is sinking.

Feel free to call me if you are not in Puerto Vallarta between 8 AM to 8 PM CST as I do not want to spend a lot of time emailing.

I belive Pammex and others like like her based on my dealings with the Belaire and my overall timeshare experiance over the past 9 years.

I to dislike the Mayan tactics but Marcos who worked for the Belaire said to us that he worked as a trainer for the Mayan salesmen. Marcos said others at the Belaire also had worked at the Mayan. In have to belive that they did as they use similar tactics and and seemingly have a very similar MO.

I hope for the people who bought and are on the hook do get to see the Belaire built.

Hopefully for their sake a lot of progress will occur.

Bruce

 

[Mule]

Bruce I was at the Belaire the day you cancelled. Because they would not allow you to use your weeks for commercial sale as you do with all your other 100 weeks. I clearly heard this being told to you and you having a spasm. My comments are from personal experience. As another example of Tug members twisting the truth. Comparing the Empire State building to Belaire is ludicrous. Empire had 3,400 workers and 5 died. Constrution was a competition in NY for tallest building, financed by billionair John Raskob and chaired by the former gov. Much of the office space went unrented and they dubed it the empty state building. It was not even profitable until 1950 almost 20yrs later. A handful of you Tug members have clearly twisted information to suit your own unknown agenda's. Some of your members have posted when they clearly do not have the knowledge to do so. One of your members even claims the real time camera's are fake and defends a resort (Grand Mayan)that has had to close their US offices because they cheat everyone. When I point out all the misinformation posted about Belaire Tug deletes it. Makes me believe Tug is owned by Grand Mayan!

 

[Mule]

Bruce, there is not a link to a report. From partnerships and working with developers in MX., I have actual first hand knowledge of projects in PV with severe problems. Actual experience rings my bell, not the half truths posted from a few Tug members.

 

[TUGBrian]

if you cannot carry on a conversation without attacking people, your posts will most certainly be deleted.

You obviously already know this. So it should be of no suprise to you when your comments are subject to deletion by moderators.

Complaining about the consequenses of your own actions when you know full well those consequences prior to posting is foolish.

You and everyone else who registered here agreed to the posting guidelines during your registration process. If you chose to ignore them vs reading them completely, that is your own fault and certainly does not excuse you from breaking the rules here.

further warnings will not be given.

 

[judy23]

Thank you Mule for your candid observation. I have been following this thread since its inception.It is very clear to me as well as to the motives of some of the responses.

 

[Blondie]

Mule- Someone once said if you throw a stone into a pack of dogs the one who is hit will bark. I can hear you all the way up here in New England.

Like many tuggers here, I have no axe to grind regarding Belaire but I do have a problem with chicanery. I love PV and own two weeks at the Club Regina and just assisted my brother with his first MP purchase which we got for $1 on ebay. What I and others here do find staggering is the vehemence with which you protest what is being posted. It seems certain that many promises made by Belaire have not come to fruition- regardless of the pitiful excuses you keep making for the company. Further, it seems you are connected to this real estate venture; therefore, your postings are suspect. The rest of us are just casual observers who have heard it all over the years and now recognize when we are stepping in it. :annoyed:

 

[SenorOjO]

I shared my experience at my presentation at the Belaire in this forum on July 14. Based on the pictures provided by pammex nothing has changed at the Belaire. Like Blondie, I to love PV and have enjoyed the benefits of timeshares. The one thing I do deplore is the dispicable tactics that are sometimes used at timeshare presentations. The lies and half truths duped on unsuspecting people that are in a vulnerable state because they are on a vacation "high". I have been to countless presentations and generally can seperate the hyoe from the product. But from what I saw at the Belaire left me with the impression of a true con job bordering on criminal robbery. No way can they offer the quality and size of what is represented in the model unit(which all that see it fall instantly in love with) for the price they are offering and with the terms and benefits they allude to. I have a degree in architecture and 32 years in the development field. What I saw and was told at that presentation was to good to be true. And you know what they say, if it sounds that way it probably is too good to be true.