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Your building welcomes hosting on Airbnb!
Club Wyndham Sea Gardens is partnering with Airbnb and residents like you to support hosting in your building. To continue hosting, you must accept Airbnb’s Resident Hosting program hosting terms and agree to your building’s community rules. When you accept the program terms and agree to your building’s rules, your building will be able to review your listing and may require you to make changes to your listing or fulfill additional requirements to continue to host. Your building can pause your listing, which will keep guests from being able to book, until you’ve made requested changes or taken additional steps they require.
Your building has Airbnb as an amenity!
Club Wyndham Sea Gardens is part of an Airbnb program that supports hosting in your building.
How it benefits you

Host confidently
Your community embraces hosting, so you can feel empowered hosting your space.

Support for your guests
Guests can feel more relaxed with your building’s support. Management may also assist them during their stay.
What you can expect

Consent to share your information
We’ll share your name, apartment number, and listing details with your building management as part of their approval process.

Management requests
Your building’s management might request that you make changes to your listing or pause it, which will keep guests from being able to book, until you’ve made the requested changes or taken additional steps they require.

How about this for Wyndham getting in the knickers of casual and MEGA Renters?
So, what do you think?

OBTW - your listing will be paused in 30 days if you do not provide
1) If you can provide a deeded 'apartment number' you can rent it?
2) If you can't provide a deeded 'apartment number' you can't rent it?


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IF YOU RESIDE IN, OR THE ORGANIZATION YOU ARE ACTING FOR IS ESTABLISHED IN, THE UNITED STATES, PLEASE NOTE: THE ARBITRATION CLAUSE AND CLASS ACTION WAIVER CONTAINED IN THE AIRBNB TERMS OF SERVICE APPLY TO ANY DISPUTE RELATING TO THESE ADDITIONAL TERMS FOR THE RESIDENT HOSTING PROGRAM.
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You agree to these Additional Terms of Service for the Airbnb Resident Hosting Program (“Resident Hosting Terms”) by using Airbnb’s services to offer accommodations in a participating building on our platform.
These Resident Hosting Terms supplement the Airbnb Terms of Service (“Terms”) and the Airbnb Payments Terms of Service (“Payments Terms”), and, except as explicitly stated herein, the Terms and Payments Terms apply in full to all Resident Hosting Program Hosts and Resident Hosting Listings. All capitalized terms not defined here have the meaning given to them in the Terms. Nothing in these Resident Hosting Terms shall be construed to amend or contradict the Terms unless explicitly stated. If there is a conflict between the Terms and the Resident Hosting Terms, these Resident Hosting Terms control to the extent of the conflict.
What is the Airbnb Resident Hosting Program?
Airbnb Resident Hosting is a program through which select building owners or operators, and homeowners’ associations, have made their building(s) home-share friendly for tenants and unit owners who want to host on Airbnb. This means that your Program Administrator will give you their express support and collaboration for you to host on Airbnb as long as you: (i) agree to and comply with your Program Administrator’s rules (i.e., their Building Rules and the terms of your Program Administrator’s home-share lease addendum), and (ii) give them a Revenue Share (as defined below).
Key Definitions
“Program Administrator” means either the owner(s) of an Accommodation, a homeowners’ association, and/or their agent (such as a building operator or property management company) who has the authority to act on behalf of, and to bind the owner(s) of an Accommodation, or the homeowners’ association.
“Participating Building” means a building enrolled in the Airbnb Resident Hosting Program by its Program Administrator.
“Participating Listing” means a Listing in a Participating Building that has been enrolled in the Airbnb Resident Hosting Program.
“Non-Participating Listing” means a Listing in a Participating Building that is not enrolled in the Airbnb Resident Hosting Program.
“Nightly Rate” means the rate per night set by you for your Participating Listing, exclusive of any tax, additional Airbnb service fee, cleaning fee, or other additional service charges that may apply.
“Revenue Share” means the percentage of your revenue that you and your Program Administrator agree you will pay to your Program Administrator. The Revenue Share will be based on a percentage of the Nightly Rate, as well as (ii) applicable fees such as any cleaning fees or other fees you identify on your Listing, and/or (iii) applicable taxes to the extent that such fees and taxes are collected by Airbnb and remitted to you with your payouts, all as agreed between you and your Program Administrator. Revenue Share percentage and additional details will be displayed when you enroll in the Airbnb Resident Hosting Program, and may be updated by your Program Administrator from time to time upon no less than thirty (30) days written notice.
Additional Terms for Resident Hosting Listings
1. Building Rules. You agree to your Program Administrator’s Building Rules and to make sure your guests also comply with your Program Administrator’s Building Rules that are applicable to guests. Building Rules will be displayed when you enroll in the Airbnb Resident Hosting Program, or provided to you directly by your Program Administrator, and may be updated by your Program Administrator from time to time upon no less than thirty (30) days written notice.
2. Revenue Share with your Program Administrator. By agreeing to participate in the Airbnb Resident Hosting Program, you agree to the Revenue Share with your Program Administrator, and you instruct Airbnb to transfer to your Program Administrator the Revenue Share for each of your future payouts for each Participating Listing.
For example, if you agree to a Program Administrator request for 10% Revenue Share on the Nightly Rate, this means you authorize Airbnb to transfer directly to your Program Administrator 10% of the Nightly Rate. If a guest pays $220 (total Nightly Rate (2 x $100), the cleaning fee ($20)), plus any service fees and taxes that apply for a stay, your Program Administrator would take 10% of the Nightly Rate ($20). If you agree to a Program Administrator request for 10% of the Nightly Rate, and the cleaning fee, and a guest pays $220 (total Nightly Rate (2 x $100), the cleaning fee ($20), your Program Administrator would take $22.00 (10% of $220), plus 10% of any taxes that apply for the stay and are remitted to you.
When Hosts and Program Administrators make or accept a Revenue Share arrangement through the Airbnb Resident Hosting Program, they are contracting only with each other, and Airbnb is not a party to that transaction. Hosts agree, however, that Airbnb will be their payment collection agent as described in the Payment Terms and, additionally, for the limited purpose of transferring the Revenue Share to your Program Administrator on your behalf.

3. Sharing Information with your Program Administrator about your Activities as a Host.
3.1 Future Activities. By agreeing to participate in the Airbnb Resident Hosting Program, you give Airbnb permission to disclose to your Program Administrator information about your activities as a Host of each Participating Listing. For example, starting on the date when you enroll in the Airbnb Resident Hosting Program, your Program Administrator can receive information about your activities as a Host in a Participating Listing, such as your name, information about your Participating Listing, when you host, how much you earn, and information related to the Building Rules. This information helps your Program Administrator understand how the program is working, and account for their Revenue Share.
3.2 Past Activities. By agreeing to participate in the Airbnb Resident Hosting Program, you also give us permission to share information with your Program Administrator about your activities as a host in the Participating Building which took place before you enrolled in the program. For more information about how your information can be shared, please see our privacy policy.


4. Non-Participating Listings. If you disagree with the Airbnb Resident Hosting Terms, we encourage you to speak to your Program Administrator and attempt to come to an agreement with them before you list, or continue to list, in a Participating Building. Your Program Administrator has taken the position that you would be violating your lease, or homeowner’s association rules, if you host in a Participating Building without agreeing to these Airbnb Resident Hosting Terms. If you list in violation of your lease, or homeowner’s association rules, you would also be in breach of our Terms.
If you choose to host without agreeing to these Airbnb Resident Hosting Terms, you do so at your sole risk. We generally don’t share personal data related to your hosting a Non-Participating Listing with your Program Administrator; however, your Program Administrator could subpoena us for this information in which case we would provide it.

5. No Endorsements. While we hope that the Airbnb Resident Hosting Program will be mutually beneficial to Hosts and their Program Administrators, we do not endorse any Host, Program Administrator, Building or Revenue Share arrangement. We can’t guarantee Program Administrator will continue to allow you to participate in the Airbnb Resident Hosting Program in the future. The decision whether to list in a Participating Building or participate in Airbnb Resident Hosting Program is yours alone, and is at your sole risk.

6. DISCLAIMERS. IF YOU CHOOSE TO USE THE AIRBNB RESIDENT HOSTING PROGRAM, YOU DO SO AT YOUR SOLE RISK. AIRBNB RESIDENT HOSTING PROGRAM IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. WITHOUT LIMITING THE FOREGOING, AIRBNB EXPLICITLY DISCLAIMS ANY WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, QUIET ENJOYMENT OR NON-INFRINGEMENT, AND ANY WARRANTIES ARISING OUT OF COURSE OF DEALING OR USAGE OF TRADE. AIRBNB MAKES NO WARRANTY ABOUT AIRBNB RESIDENT HOSTING, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THAT LISTINGS OR ANY ACCOMMODATIONS YOU OFFER WILL MEET YOUR PROGRAM ADMINISTRATOR’S REQUIREMENTS OR BE AVAILABLE ON AN UNINTERRUPTED, SECURE, OR ERROR-FREE BASIS.
WHILE PROGRAM ADMINISTRATORS WHO PARTICIPATE IN THE AIRBNB RESIDENT HOSTING PROGRAM HAVE TOLD AIRBNB THAT THEY AGREE NOT TO EVICT ELIGIBLE TENANTS, OR TAKE OTHER REMEDIAL ACTION AGAINST YOU, SOLELY BECAUSE OF THEIR ACTIVITY AS HOSTS OF PARTICIPATING LISTINGS, THEY DO RETAIN THE ABILITY TO DO SO IF YOUR AIRBNB RELATED ACTIVITIES CREATE AN UNSAFE OR DISRUPTIVE ENVIRONMENT OR IF YOU DO NOT COMPLY WITH ANY APPLICABLE BUILDING RULES OR YOUR LEASE ADDENDUM. AIRBNB CANNOT AND DOES NOT MAKE ANY WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND THAT YOUR PROGRAM ADMINISTRATOR WILL NOT EVICT YOU, OR TAKE OTHER REMEDIAL ACTION AGAINST YOU.
NO ADVICE OR INFORMATION, WHETHER ORAL OR WRITTEN, OBTAINED FROM AIRBNB, YOUR PROGRAM ADMINISTRATOR OR THROUGH THE AIRBNB RESIDENT HOSTING PROGRAM WILL CREATE ANY WARRANTY NOT EXPRESSLY MADE HEREIN.
YOU ARE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF YOUR COMMUNICATIONS AND INTERACTIONS WITH YOUR PROGRAM ADMINISTRATOR AND WITH OTHER PERSONS WITH WHOM YOU COMMUNICATE OR INTERACT AS A RESULT OF YOUR USE OF THE AIRBNB RESIDENT HOSTING PROGRAM, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, ANY OTHER HOSTS, NEIGHBORS, BUILDING STAFF, OR GUESTS. YOU UNDERSTAND THAT AIRBNB DOES NOT MAKE ANY ATTEMPT TO VERIFY THE STATEMENTS OF YOUR PROGRAM ADMINISTRATOR OR TO REVIEW OR VISIT ANY ACCOMMODATIONS OR PARTICIPATING BUILDINGS. AIRBNB MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES AS TO THE CONDUCT OF YOUR PROGRAM ADMINISTRATOR AND USERS OF THE AIRBNB RESIDENT HOSTING PROGRAM OR THEIR COMPATIBILITY WITH ANY CURRENT OR FUTURE USERS OF THE AIRBNB RESIDENT HOSTING PROGRAM. YOU AGREE TO TAKE REASONABLE PRECAUTIONS IN ALL COMMUNICATIONS AND INTERACTIONS WITH YOUR PROGRAM ADMINISTRATOR, NEIGHBORS, AND OTHER USERS OF THE AIRBNB RESIDENT HOSTING PROGRAM AND WITH OTHER PERSONS WITH WHOM YOU COMMUNICATE OR INTERACT AS A RESULT OF YOUR USE OF THE AIRBNB RESIDENT HOSTING PROGRAM, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROGRAM ADMINISTRATORS, GUESTS AND HOSTS, PARTICULARLY IF YOU DECIDE TO MEET OFFLINE OR IN PERSON REGARDLESS OF WHETHER SUCH MEETINGS ARE ORGANIZED BY AIRBNB. NOTWITHSTANDING AIRBNB'S APPOINTMENT AS THE LIMITED PAYMENT COLLECTION AGENT OF THE HOSTS, AIRBNB EXPLICITLY DISCLAIMS ALL LIABILITY FOR ANY ACT OR OMISSION OF YOURS, ANY PROGRAM ADMINISTRATOR, GUEST, OR OTHER THIRD PARTY.
7. Termination. As a Resident Host, you may terminate this agreement at any time by sending us an email or by removing all of your Participating Listings from the Airbnb Platform. Airbnb may terminate this agreement immediately and without notice and stop providing access to the Airbnb Platform if you materially breach this agreement and/or our other Terms or Policies, you violate applicable laws, or we reasonably believe termination is advisable to protect Airbnb, its Members or third parties. If your Participating Listing has been inactive for 120 or more days, we may remove it from Airbnb.
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9. Severability. If any provision or part of a provision in these terms is held to be invalid, void, or unenforceable, such provision (or the part of it that is making it invalid, void or unenforceable) will be struck and not affect the validity of and enforceability of the remaining.
10. Survival. Unless you reside in the European Economic Area or Switzerland, if you or we terminate these Resident Hosting Terms, the clauses of these Resident Hosting Terms that reasonably should survive such termination will remain in effect.
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How exactly did you come upon this information? Are you an owner at Club Wyndham Sea Gardens resort and received an official communication from Wyndham? We have heard recently of this type of program on another thread that I currently have locked here on the Wyndham forum due to some suspect behavior and claims that seem very similar to what is being post here. The poster in the other thread claimed that this same program is being implemented at Club Wyndham Bonnet Creek for example. If this is legit - we need to better understand what Wyndham is doing here and why - and how it impacts CWP owners of course - and how this program is actually utilized by CWP owners if it is legit. I'm going to send an inquiry to my Wyndham contacts to substantiate this information.

If you received email correspondence - can you screenshot the actual email itself (hide any identifying data) and post the screenshots? Or if there's a thread elsewhere sharing this info - please link to the source.
 
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Interesting, because this certainly sounds like it's managed at the HOA level, not the Club Wyndham level. Though of course for it to work, the Club Wyndham level would have to be willing not to question/cancel points reservations made as part of this airbnb program.
 

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Well fixed week owners generally have a unit number. It is points reservations that usually don't, as this is controled by the location. Even as I VIP booking room number the location treats that as a request only.

Funny thing is this location and a few other in this Pompano area have previously been notorious bad at giving people access to their actual fixed week room location and instead uses that inventory to upgrade people to better view or whatever. But I have heard lots of stories of issues at the Pompano locations.

Wonder if that will now change.

Suddenly makes CWS a better option than CWA where you don't actual own a specific unit. So if you are CWA and ARP your underlying week, then rental is just fine?
 

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This would be for the owners of fixed weeks at Sea Gardens. That is the ONLY way the owner would be able to provide a specific unit number in advance for the rental.

As OP mentioned we haven't seen Linda posting in over a year but she used to own a winter month or two of fixed weeks at Sea Gardens.

It looks like some fixed week owners got together to set this up. Unlike points owners or CWA members fixed week owners can in fact rent their weeks in their units and it doesn't require them to use guest confirmations. All they have to do is give the resort the name(s) of whoever will be using the unit that week so the resort can give those people keys when they arrive.
 

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It looks like some fixed week owners got together to set this up. Unlike points owners or CWA members fixed week owners can in fact rent their weeks in their units and it doesn't require them to use guest confirmations. All they have to do is give the resort the name(s) of whoever will be using the unit that week so the resort can give those people keys when they arrive.
And this would be only unconverted fixed weeks, as converted fixed week owners may book their week but do so using the points system.

But it makes me wonder if this is the same type of agreement that Renter alluded to at Bonnet Creek which is totally UDI points, and then how it would work.
 

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And this would be only unconverted fixed weeks, as converted fixed week owners may book their week but do so using the points system.

But it makes me wonder if this is the same type of agreement that Renter alluded to at Bonnet Creek which is totally UDI points, and then how it would work.

A fixed week that has been converted then becomes a converted fixed week. I can't remember if at 12 months? out the converted fixed week owner is still able to book their unit or just a unit?

If the person listing has to give a unit number for anything other than a fixed week they would have to be giving a fictitious unit number. If they are providing a guest confirmation to the renter that's another red flag that it's not a guaranteed unit number.

I gather that it's not uncommon on Air B&B or VRBO for people to post stays they don't actually have. Even eBay too has some $$ per night listings with nonspecific dates the person listing may or may not be able to get.

We haven't seen it much here on TUG but you know we've seen fake reservations being sold in the Facebook groups. There have been issues with third party rentals and point managers rentals too.
 
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A fixed week that has been converted then becomes a converted fixed week. I can't remember if at 12 months? out the converted fixed week owner is still able to book their unit or just a unit?
I know as a converted fixed week owner, I can book my week and unit type and check-in day (and only that combination) with points online during ARP. I've never used it though, so I don't know if I would actually be given the unit stated in my contract - that is, if the information that it was booked using converted fixed week ARP filters down to the resort when assigning units. All I was trying to say is that everything you said about fixed week owners not needing guest certificates and not needing to call the resort only apply to unconverted (or nonconverted, if you prefer) fixed weeks. Converted fixed weeks are for all intents and purposes points contracts, and booking and renting one's underlying week would still require a guest certificate as it's booked using Wyndham's points system.
 

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Though of course for it to work, the Club Wyndham level would have to be willing not to question/cancel points reservations made as part of this airbnb program.
As others have mentioned, this is almost certainly for unconverted weeks. Those are not subject to the Club Wyndham documents, which are the source of the "commercial use" prohibition. Therefore, such commercial use is not prohibited. Even if you got "your" converted unit with your points, you are still subject to that prohibition. Booking in ARP is not withdrawing your unit's usage rights from the Club Wyndham program that UY. It is taking advantage of your exclusive period within Club Wyndham to book the unit whose usage rights you've assigned to the club. But, those rights are still assigned to the club, and subject to those rules.

Or at least if I were Wyndham, that would be my position.

In other words, if this is the thing @RENTER was talking about, it looks like a nothingburger to me.
 

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Looks like this makes listing with Airbnb even more of of a pain than it is already.
 

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In other words, if this is the thing @RENTER was talking about, it looks like a nothingburger to me.
Renter was talking about Bonnet Creek with regard to whatever program he was talking about though, so either (a) this is not that, or (b) somehow it allows for points reservations after all. If Bonnet Creek hadn't been mentioned, I'd 100% think this was only about fixed weeks - and it might still be. But I really don't know. Hopefully Hitchhiker will get his hands on some solid info.
 

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I know as a converted fixed week owner, I can book my week and unit type and check-in day (and only that combination) with points online during ARP. I've never used it though, so I don't know if I would actually be given the unit stated in my contract - that is, if the information that it was booked using converted fixed week ARP filters down to the resort when assigning units. All I was trying to say is that everything you said about fixed week owners not needing guest certificates and not needing to call the resort only apply to unconverted (or nonconverted, if you prefer) fixed weeks. Converted fixed weeks are for all intents and purposes points contracts, and booking and renting one's underlying week would still require a guest certificate as it's booked using Wyndham's points system.

Thanks, that's the information I was hoping you'd know.
 

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Renter was talking about Bonnet Creek with regard to whatever program he was talking about though, so either (a) this is not that, or (b) somehow it allows for points reservations after all. If Bonnet Creek hadn't been mentioned, I'd 100% think this was only about fixed weeks - and it might still be. But I really don't know. Hopefully Hitchhiker will get his hands on some solid info.

I re-opened the locked thread for this reason - there seems to be conflicting data. I suspect that this issue is limited to fixed weeks - but RENTER was talking about having to get approvals for reservations at BC. Does BC have any fixed week contracts?
 

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Does BC have any fixed week contracts?

Afaik Bonnet Creek was only ever sold as points.

Fairfield purchased the property in 2002 and the first building opened in June 2004.
 
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I found a thread from a year ago - it seems Airbnb started this program around that time. I don't know how to link it, but here is the title.

Airbnb & Wyndham Targeting Wyndham Timeshare Owners Who Rent on the AIRBNB Platform

Is there anyone here that accepted this program willing to share their outcome? @RENTER recently posted that his listings were approved. Anyone else have a similar experience months ago?
 

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I found a thread from a year ago - it seems Airbnb started this program around that time. I don't know how to link it, but here is the title.

Airbnb & Wyndham Targeting Wyndham Timeshare Owners Who Rent on the AIRBNB Platform

Is there anyone here that accepted this program willing to share their outcome? @RENTER recently posted that his listings were approved. Anyone else have a similar experience months ago?

Here's a link to the TUG thread you're referring to: https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/m...wners-who-rent-on-the-airbnb-platform.328268/
 

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LMAO. It is now Bonnett Creek, Skyline Tower and Williamsburg that I have been approved at. Someone told me Branson and Sea Garden here. Also and someone I shared this with told me all the resorts are beginning to do it. Also, it is points and not just weeks and I had the resorts approved without any reservations there. But I still suspect it may be a trap so I will continue to treat it as a trap and prepare for the trap to be sprung. I already figured out a way to beat it. Now that I have been approved, this will be my last post unless I find out it is a trap.

Now Mr. IT Engineer, congratulations your data was correct. But I assumed that someone would do what you did. to find my identity, so I took precautions. So, I told you what you wanted to hear to hopefully confuse you. I was in Florida when that posting was made. I do not come home on weekends. However, the rest I told you was the truth. In fact, I even told my clients on my personal page, you thought I was lying because I said I use a flip phone. They had a good laugh because I am known for being successful without the use of the latest technology. I drive them crazy driving without using GPS. My camera was broken, and I tried to replace it, but they do not sell those small hand digital cameras in stores anymore. If it did work, I would have sent you a picture of the flip phone and a picture of my 22% gain this year while the tech snobs get wiped out. So much for having the latest technology.
 

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LMAO. It is now Bonnett Creek, Skyline Tower and Williamsburg that I have been approved at. Someone told me Branson and Sea Garden here. Also and someone I shared this with told me all the resorts are beginning to do it. Also, it is points and not just weeks and I had the resorts approved without any reservations there. But I still suspect it may be a trap so I will continue to treat it as a trap and prepare for the trap to be sprung. I already figured out a way to beat it. Now that I have been approved, this will be my last post unless I find out it is a trap.

Now Mr. IT Engineer, congratulations your data was correct. But I assumed that someone would do what you did. to find my identity, so I took precautions. So, I told you what you wanted to hear to hopefully confuse you. I was in Florida when that posting was made. I do not come home on weekends. However, the rest I told you was the truth. In fact, I even told my clients on my personal page, you thought I was lying because I said I use a flip phone. They had a good laugh because I am known for being successful without the use of the latest technology. I drive them crazy driving without using GPS. My camera was broken, and I tried to replace it, but they do not sell those small hand digital cameras in stores anymore. If it did work, I would have sent you a picture of the flip phone and a picture of my 22% gain this year while the tech snobs get wiped out. So much for having the latest technology.

We would be happy if you removed the contingency.
 

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LMAO. It is now Bonnett Creek, Skyline Tower and Williamsburg that I have been approved at. Someone told me Branson and Sea Garden here. Also and someone I shared this with told me all the resorts are beginning to do it. Also, it is points and not just weeks and I had the resorts approved without any reservations there. But I still suspect it may be a trap so I will continue to treat it as a trap and prepare for the trap to be sprung. I already figured out a way to beat it. Now that I have been approved, this will be my last post unless I find out it is a trap.

What exactly is it that was approved if no reservations have been made? Again, you continue to share almost no context or data with your posts other than vague assertions with no proof. The OP who started this thread did so by posting actual context/data for all to see. Why don't you? Staggers the imagination really (movie reference here).

Now Mr. IT Engineer, congratulations your data was correct. But I assumed that someone would do what you did. to find my identity, so I took precautions. So, I told you what you wanted to hear to hopefully confuse you. I was in Florida when that posting was made. I do not come home on weekends. However, the rest I told you was the truth. In fact, I even told my clients on my personal page, you thought I was lying because I said I use a flip phone. They had a good laugh because I am known for being successful without the use of the latest technology. I drive them crazy driving without using GPS. My camera was broken, and I tried to replace it, but they do not sell those small hand digital cameras in stores anymore. If it did work, I would have sent you a picture of the flip phone and a picture of my 22% gain this year while the tech snobs get wiped out. So much for having the latest technology.

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No, you were not in Florida when the post you were referring to was made, as we discussed privately, you were in point of fact at the Wyndham Shawnee resort (as the data that doesn't lie clearly shows). You characterized yourself as an old technophobe, yet you want me (or anyone else) to somehow believe that you are capable of IP address masking, specifically using a Wyndham owned IP address scheme from Wyndham Shawnee Commons when posting that you were still in Florida? LOL, color me - and many others here - very skeptical. But let's play your game since you brought it up publicly, so that others can see and judge for themselves how to react to your posts, because I am growing tired of the argument.

This is the post I'm referring to: https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/unlocked-wyndham-notice-re-commercial-use.344457/post-2858171

In that post you start out by saying (bolded emphasis mine):

I am still in Florida. I am renting from other owners since I used up all my 2022 and 2023 points. I am still catching Wyndham sales agents lying to potential buyers that they can rent to pay for VIP and I am referring those guests to this site to follow the debate of whether you can do or not...

Here's the IP address data for that exact post (during which you clearly state you were posting from Florida):

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Now - let's see what "Shawnee Commons Corp" is - again - screenshot below for reference:

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The address of Shawnee Commons Corp is the exact same address as the Wyndham Shawnee Resort. The originating IP address data never lies just to be clear. I then looked at IP data for the entirety of your content/posts on TUG, and sent that to you (this is all tracked on the BBS software). That data indicates that none of your posts originate outside of the PA/NJ area - none. Perhaps you are confused as to where you actually are when posting here on TUG, I don't really know. All I can tell you is that data doesn't lie, but people do, and what you claim, to the best of my understanding, doesn't align with what the data tells me (and now all TUGGERs who are reading this post). Even the post you just made today, was from the same set of IP addresses from the NJ vicinity, from Verizon FIOS, where most of your other posts also originate, but by all means please tell us you are still in Florida. :cool:

Apart from the issues outlined above, what you have brought up topically without any supporting data, appears to align with the topic brought up by the OP on this thread - who did in turn provide supporting data. If you would start providing supporting data - you might start to be taken seriously on some level here on TUG - but making suppositions without any supporting data is going to continue to generate suspicion - especially given the data I just posted about your true whereabouts above despite claims otherwise.
 
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At this point it's not even generating suspicion - it's just spouting nonsense.
 
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Back to the airbnb topic. There are post(s) from a year ago showing Airbnb started this partner program a while ago. They must have just stepped up the number of resorts recently. And, no one on TUG is willing to share what happened when they agreed to the program a year ago.
 

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What exactly is it that was approved if no reservations have been made? Again, you continue to share almost no context or data with your posts other than vague assertions with no proof. The OP who started this thread did so by posting actual context/data for all to see. Why don't you? Staggers the imagination really (movie reference here).

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No, you were not in Florida when the post you were referring to was made, as we discussed privately, you were in point of fact at the Wyndham Shawnee resort (as the data that doesn't lie clearly shows). You characterized yourself as an old technophobe, yet you want me (or anyone else) to somehow believe that you are capable of IP address masking, specifically using a Wyndham owned IP address scheme from Wyndham Shawnee Commons when posting that you were still in Florida? LOL, color me - and many others here - very skeptical. But let's play your game since you brought it up publicly, so that others can see and judge for themselves how to react to your posts, because I am growing tired of the argument.

This is the post I'm referring to: https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/unlocked-wyndham-notice-re-commercial-use.344457/post-2858171

In that post you start out by saying (bolded emphasis mine):



Here's the IP address data for that exact post (during which you clearly state you were posting from Florida):

View attachment 68171

Now - let's see what "Shawnee Commons Corp" is - again - screenshot below for reference:

View attachment 68172

The address of Shawnee Commons Corp is the exact same address as the Wyndham Shawnee Resort. The originating IP address data never lies just to be clear. I then looked at IP data for the entirety of your content/posts on TUG, and sent that to you (this is all tracked on the BBS software). That data indicates that none of your posts originate outside of the PA/NJ area - none. Perhaps you are confused as to where you actually are when posting here on TUG, I don't really know. All I can tell you is that data doesn't lie, but people do, and what you claim, to the best of my understanding, doesn't align with what the data tells me (and now all TUGGERs who are reading this post). Even the post you just made today, was from the same set of IP addresses from the NJ vicinity, from Verizon FIOS, where most of your other posts also originate, but by all means please tell us you are still in Florida. :cool:

Apart from the issues outlined above, what you have brought up topically without any supporting data, appears to align with the topic brought up by the OP on this thread - who did in turn provide supporting data. If you would start providing supporting data - you might start to be taken seriously on some level here on TUG - but making suppositions without any supporting data is going to continue to generate suspicion - especially given the data I just posted about your true whereabouts above despite claims otherwise.

Seems like at this level is just overkill on your part. What does it matter where he posted his misinformation from?
 

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So now as of this week,, Airbnb must post cleaning fees in their advertisements upfront.

How will this impact the Wyndham partnership, when most timeshare resort do not charge cleaning fees? However, some resort do charge resort fees.

Is Wyndham a Mega rental player with Airbnb?
 
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