What do you think about personal responsibility and following guidelines?

[Cornell]

There is more to me than being introverted vs extroverted. There is an independence component as well. I feel stifled by people telling me how to live my life.

 

[geekette]

There is no M.D. after my name (and I don't play a doctor on TV --- yet), but there appears to be no scientific evidence that recovery is actually followed by immunity. "Returning" patients are not at all uncommon and this is increasingly worrisome.

I pray that great minds in the scientific / medical community will succeed in developing a vaccine as soon as practicably possible.

Yes. I will not believe that I am immune after (if) I get this and recover. I will keep on wearing a mask. Especially because it seems that nobody really knows how long that "shedding the virus" continues.

 

[TravelTime]

There is more to me than being introverted vs extroverted. There is an independence component as well. I feel stifled by people telling me how to live my life.

I agree with the independence part. I dislike everyone telling everyone else what to do. I think people should focus on what works for them. Others who are fearful about catching the virus and/or are in a high risk group should stay home permanently. For some people, like me, death is not the most scary outcome. I am certainly not scared of being sick. I am a hardy person and have always dealt with illness and health conditions in a super positive way. Now, I know many people are not like me, so they should protect themselves and do what is right for their physical and mental health. I do not buy into this thing about masks protecting me and others. At first, the experts said masks did nothing then it looks like the experts changed their mind since they are feeling helpless about what really works. So we have this dart board approach, throwing darts at everything hoping one hits the bullseye.

 

[Luanne]

I thought this was a good illustration. It's why I wear a mask. I do it to protect you as much as to protect me.

 

[Cornell]

@TravelTime If masks are so important, why haven't our depts of public health been requiring restaurant workers to wear them prior to just recently? I, too, am not scared of being sick.

 

[Chrisky]

“Knowing you had it before, even if you don’t have immunity, lets you know your immune system was able to handle it. That would make me feel better but I would still follow guidelines“.
I am not sure anyone can make that statement with accuracy. There have not been any statements issued that say that is the case. There are other viruses that are contracted that if a person gets it again, the second time can be worse than the first time.

 

[Monykalyn]

I'm very different than you. I feel that many of the guidelines are a moving target so I'm skeptical of them.

Masks, to me, have become kind of a virtue signal.

So we have this dart board approach, throwing darts at everything hoping one hits the bullseye.

Really-I think both the moving target and "throw it all at the board" approach is why peoples frustrations are starting to creep up. We don't have strong direction or leadership. I'd feel better if they said right out-"WE Do NOT kNOW-so here is the first step-after this date we re-evaluate on what we know then". It's happening in piecemeal and then when you do start getting stuff that contradicts the first stuff you have everyone fighting trying to prove whose position is more "right". I'm most frustrated by the media in not being a whole heck of a lot better in clear messaging instead of one alarmist headline after the other. For instance WHO did NOT say recovering from the virus that you are NOT immune, but that they don't yet KNOW what immunity it provides. How many people actually read that far? or did further research? An immunity paper I read from NIH? WHO? CDC? (it was respected source) laid out how immunity works, and that the coronaviruses we have been exposed to (4 of which can cause common cold symptoms) like MERS we do get immunity to-including the cold symptom ones.
So for this coronavirus to not provide ANY immunity would be really rare. Would it have been too hard to just say that? That we don't know what immunity or for how long but of the coronaviruses we are aware of people generally do acquire immunity?

To see how this has gone, I went to my local drugstore yesterday. As I was moving along, I noticed they removed the contraceptive section and attached a sign saying,

“Shoppers Drug Mart discourages any form of activity that violates Social Distancing and therefore this section is closed until further notice.”

Wow.

Yeah wow! I'd have said something to that manager too. TMI but at one time as a MARRIED couple we relied on OTC contraception. NOT their place to judge. period.

That sign is ridiculous and laughable. You are my kindred spirit in this.

I was all "gung ho" at the beginning of this to do my part . But as time goes on, I'm feeling less and less cooperative with all these rules.

I'm getting to be the same way-still doing what I can, but expanding the "pod" as some one else said. My daughter comes home from her apartment at college once a month, and she still has her job-I guess the risk is she could bring it to us as we are all home. Yesterday the hub and son went to the lake to clean boat, take it out and bring jet ski home to clean and tune it-and had lunch with his mom and stepdad, outside, on patio -sitting away from each other but still. I think his parents have been out and about much more than we have lol. Neither one is used to sitting around and they are in great health, no chronic conditions. Heck they are probably lower risk than me with my asthma I am tired of the "shaming" if one doesn't want to wear a mask 100% of the time as somehow selfish. Or if family groups want to go the beach. Or people riding bikes. Or going to the store more than once a week-for "non essential" things.

 

[Fredflintstone]

I agree with the independence part. I dislike everyone telling everyone else what to do. I think people should focus on what works for them. Others who are fearful about catching the virus and/or are in a high risk group should stay home permanently. For some people, like me, death is not the most scary outcome. I am certainly not scared of being sick. I am a hardy person and have always dealt with illness and health conditions in a super positive way. Now, I know many people are not like me, so they should protect themselves and do what is right for their physical and mental health. I do not buy into this thing about masks protecting me and others. At first, the experts said masks did nothing then it looks like the experts changed their mind since they are feeling helpless about what really works. So we have this dart board approach, throwing darts at everything hoping one hits the bullseye.

I remember the hard decisions I had to make with my dad. He could barely walk near the end. He would fall often. There was a risk of injury. The doctors highly recommended we place him at a nursing home where he would remain in bed and be safe. He was dying of cancer.

He was a very independent, proud man. So, do I keep him safe and let his last few months be misery for him? Or, do I let him live as the proud man he was but risk him dying sooner from a fall? I chose the later after consulting him. He knew the risks. He may have lived a few months less but at least had some quality of life left. He lost so much so he clung onto the little independence he had left.

I look at life as quality over quantity. If I get sick, I get sick. I live the best I can do every day. No, I don’t want to spread harm on anyone. However, I don’t want to think that the person next to me is a filthy, possible diseased thing that MIGHT make me sick. I have caught flus from others in the past. It happens. I don’t blame them or feel slight against humanity.

We are now so fearful of harm and think others are potentially diseased and must stay clear for OUR protection and safety . That’s a message I don’t want to send and sadly this whole thing is making many start to think differently about the human race.

Sometimes, SAFETY is used to change perception, create added controls that way out way the risks. I hope this process doesn’t sour people and result in ridiculous systems. If that’s the case, I would rather be unsafe. After all, I will die at some point and I truly believe God determines that. In the meantime, I want my world to remain one of high quality where I fulfill good character, relationships and memories and that requires face to face human contact to fulfil.


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[Chrisky]

@TravelTime If masks are so important, why haven't our depts of public health been requiring restaurant workers to wear them prior to just recently? I, too, am not scared of being sick.

Why? Because people don’t want to bother, people don’t like them, people don’t believe they help, restaurant owners don’t want the extra costs, people don’t care if they infect anyone else. IMHO this is all about attitude, and consideration of others, regardless if one believes that it will work or not. How hard is it to just wear one, it may actually help reduce the spread.

 

[SueDonJ]

All I know is I'm staying home as much as I'm able for as long as there are people out there who are ignoring the science that says this deadly virus (for which there are no known treatments or a cure) can be transmitted by people who have no idea that they're carrying it.

Or maybe they just don't care that they may unknowingly transmit it to people like me who are going out only to care for the children of people like my son who is a nursing home director fearful of his first positive patient, my daughter-in-law, sister and two nieces who are RN's working directly with COVID-19 patients in Boston-area hospitals, several neighbors in this over-55 community, etcetcetc ...

I am just so done with the "give me liberty" selfishness. It won't kill you to stay home or to cover your nose and mouth if you go out.

 

[Luanne]

@TravelTime If masks are so important, why haven't our depts of public health been requiring restaurant workers to wear them prior to just recently? I, too, am not scared of being sick.

I scared of being sick. I'm scared that I might be a carrier and make someone else sick. I'm scared that someone who thinks they are healthy might be carrying something that could infect me, and others.

I wonder why in Asian countries it's so much more acceptable for most people to wear masks when out. I used to think "Huh?" and now I understand.

 

[WVBaker]

Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”

Different enemy true, but in any case, the fewer boundaries that exist hindering free movement, the better.

I feel bad for the many businesses that will never recover just from social distancing alone. Many are afraid of lawsuits if they permit customers to ignore the guidelines suggested by the leaders, and perhaps rightly so. Should they allow this and someone who visits their store become ill, will some lawyer jump to file a gross negligence suit?

You simply can't always protect people from themselves and there will continue to be deaths from this virus regardless of what "guidelines" the government
suggests or perhaps, makes an attempt to enforce. There will be those that will follow these guidelines and there will be those that don't. I think there will be those who'll say, by adhering to the guidelines how many lives did I save? By not following them, how many deaths did I cause? What's the answer? The answer is, we just don't know.

Watch the news, people are growing tired of being sequestered, regardless the benefits. Many businesses have or will close and many people have or will lose their
job(s). Look on the bright side, yes, you have no job, you have little money, you can't put much food on the table and the economy has all but collapsed but, perhaps, possibly, maybe you saved a life.

And before it's even brought up, don't play the, but what if it's your family member card because yes, I fully understand the chances and accept that.

 

[Cornell]

@WVBaker Be careful! I brought up the topic of liberties in a prior post and it was shut down for being "political". *** sigh ***

 

[TravelTime]

@Cornell In this case, a moderator brought up “liberty.” Shows no one is perfect. We all have our biases.

 

[bogey21]

I follow all guidelines except for wearing a mask. I figure the mask is to protect others from me and I make sure never to get within 10 feet of someone else...

George

 

[SueDonJ]

@Cornell In this case, a moderator brought up “liberty.” Shows no one is perfect. We all have our biases.

So what, because I say the word, use it in a phrase that's in quotation marks to denote the sentiment obviously being alluded to by others, I'm somehow less perfect or more biased than them?!

Even moderators reach their limits.

 

[Luanne]

Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”

Or maybe "give me liberty and give me death".

 

[TravelTime]

So what, because I say the word, use it in a phrase that's in quotation marks to denote the sentiment obviously being alluded to by others, I'm somehow less perfect or more biased than them?!

Even moderators reach their limits.

@SueDonJ I was just replying to Cornell’s comment that she had a thread shut down by talking about liberties. I actually thought it was funny that you would use the word, being a moderator. No judgment. We are all getting tired and frustrated by this Covid-19 stuff. We all have different points of view as to what the worst part is. For some people it is getting sick, for others it is staying home in isolation, for some it is losing their liberty, for some it is losing their job, for others it is losing their business, and I am sure there are even more ways this is affecting folks. Everyone is losing something. It is a very hard time. I don’t blame you for getting frustrated.

 

[TravelTime]

Or maybe "give me liberty and give me death".

Isn’t is give me liberty “OR” give me death? That’s a choice some of us are wiling to make. Our country is based on it. We have been taught this our entire lives. Now it has been taken away and the choice appears to be death.

 

[Luanne]

Others who are fearful about catching the virus and/or are in a high risk group should stay home permanently.

So, because I want to be cautious I need to stay home forever because others don't believe they are carriers or can get it and won't take precautionary measures.

 

[Luanne]

Isn’t is give me liberty “OR” give me death? That’s a choice some of us are wiling to make. Our country is based on it. We have been taught this our entire lives. Now it has been taken away and the choice appears to be death.

I know what the statement is. In this case possibly giving people "liberty" is going to kill them, or someone else.

 

[dioxide45]

I thought this was a good illustration. It's why I wear a mask. I do it to protect you as much as to protect me.

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See this post from another thread. No evidence that any of these statistics are correct. Odd how every illustration has different people in them. If it was a single reputable source, we wouldn't see different versions as we see in the Snopes article and the one quotes in the post that I linked to.

 

[TravelTime]

So, because I want to be cautious I need to stay home forever because others don't believe they are carriers or can get it and won't take precautionary measures.

This is just my opinion. If I were really scared of getting covid-19, I would stay home long term like @VacationForever is doing. BTW, I am following all the rules even though I do not believe in them. I do not think most of these rules are making people safer and if someone is really scared of getting Covid-19, the only way to prevent it is to stay home and avoid all human contact until the disease is eradicated. It is a logical solution for people who are older and at high risk. Otherwise, every time you go out, even with a mask and social distancing, you are still at risk of getting sick or dying. If not from Covid, then from something else.

 

[TravelTime]

I know what the statement is. In this case possibly giving people "liberty" is going to kill them, or someone else.

That is the point of the statement. Liberty is worth dying for. That is what the country is founded on.

 

[DaveNV]

I wonder why in Asian countries it's so much more acceptable for most people to wear masks when out. I used to think "Huh?" and now I understand.

I have a friend who lives in Taiwan. He says everything is open, including gyms and restaurants. He says everyone wears a mask in public, everyone washes their hands a lot, and they practice social distancing as much as they can. He said his gym is cleaned meticulously, and non-stop. He said life there is as normal as it ever is. The difference, he says, is that the culture there is one of compliance with the Government, rather than individual freedoms.

Dave