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Thread Dedicated to the Upcoming/Anticipated Integration of Vistana and Marriott Ownerships

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So back to an integration question. How does it work with MVC when ownerships are transferred to a family member? Do the points from the transferred week also transfer and count towards status for the child/recipient?

Suppose I have enough points for executive level and my parents have an enrolled TS week. If the week was transferred into my name, my understanding is that The week would continue to be enrolled and eligible for DP conversion. Would those points then be able to take me to a higher level (ie presidential) assuming I passed the threshold level?

The reason I’m asking is that I was told in an update that the Vistana weeks I am getting from my parents (both developer purchases) will not be recognized for points if they are transferred to me even though they would be in VSN. Essentially MVC treats family transfers the same as resale (ie the enrolled status doesn’t transfer).

Is this correct? My understanding was the status/points would transfer for weeks in the existing MVC system if it is family.
We know what the answer "should" be, but Marriott's answer is going to be whatever Marriott's answer will be.

I wouldn't put much weight on what a salesperson said during an update. That person had every reason to downplay the value of this potential gift so you still need to buy more points.
 

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So too would the lock off portion of the 3 BR at Grande Chateau and it wouldn't bet a partial kitchen. Do any of the Lakeshore units have a smaller 1BR, I was under the impression that some of the units there separated into a 1 BR as the second portion.
Yes Lakeshore has a deluxe 2br that can comprises a small 1br and standard 1br. The small 1br side has a kitchen with no stove and a smaller refrigerator (like a Westin Kaanapali studio). Lakeshore small 1br does not have washer and dryer in room. Also the master bedroom has French doors instead of a standard bedroom door.

I have been looking for a deluxe 2br for many years at Lakeshore. But the price people are asking for it are to high. Also maintenance fees for deluxe 2br is pretty high at Lakeshore.

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We know what the answer "should" be, but Marriott's answer is going to be whatever Marriott's answer will be.

I wouldn't put much weight on what a salesperson said during an update. That person had every reason to downplay the value of this potential gift so you still need to buy more points.
Thanks. I think a lot of it was blowing smoke trying to get me to buy “today”. Basically the Westin Flex offer they made comes out to the equivalent of $13.89/DP assuming a conversion rate of 28.8. From what I’ve read this isn’t really that great of a deal, and certainly not “30% below Marriott prices”.

I’ll take my chances that my parents will be treated as developer when they transfer. If needed, I can always buy the 850 or so points to get me to the presidential level if I want (assuming they will combine Abound points from both systems).
 

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So back to an integration question. How does it work with MVC when ownerships are transferred to a family member? Do the points from the transferred week also transfer and count towards status for the child/recipient?

Suppose I have enough points for executive level and my parents have an enrolled TS week. If the week was transferred into my name, my understanding is that The week would continue to be enrolled and eligible for DP conversion. Would those points then be able to take me to a higher level (ie presidential) assuming I passed the threshold level?

The reason I’m asking is that I was told in an update that the Vistana weeks I am getting from my parents (both developer purchases) will not be recognized for points if they are transferred to me even though they would be in VSN. Essentially MVC treats family transfers the same as resale (ie the enrolled status doesn’t transfer).

Is this correct? My understanding was the status/points would transfer for weeks in the existing MVC system if it is family.

Unless MVCI made a change sometime in the last year the only way a legacy week (deeded week with the ability to be converted annually to points) is if it’s passed down after the death of the owner.
 

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Unless MVCI made a change sometime in the last year the only way a legacy week (deeded week with the ability to be converted annually to points) is if it’s passed down after the death of the owner.
Not true. Children and grandchildren can be added to the titles now. I’ve done it several times.
 

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Does anyone have any current information as to when the Vistana and Westin properties are going to start showing availability in the Destination Points program? When I log into my account the message comes up and just says, "We’re working hard to launch later this summer, so watch for more details in the coming weeks. "
I guess this might have been the message that's been posted the last several weeks, but for some reason I thought it was supposed to be in July?
 

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Does anyone have any current information as to when the Vistana and Westin properties are going to start showing availability in the Destination Points program? When I log into my account the message comes up and just says, "We’re working hard to launch later this summer, so watch for more details in the coming weeks. "
I guess this might have been the message that's been posted the last several weeks, but for some reason I thought it was supposed to be in July?
No firm date announced by Marriott. Everything else is speculation at this point.
 

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The date is July 28th, until the 28th is in the past and then we have no other date. It will happen when it happens. As far as I am concerned, the later the better.
I am told that we have till September to enroll in Abound so that does not give us much time to learn about the program before opting in.
 

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I am told that we have till September to enroll in Abound so that does not give us much time to learn about the program before opting in.
I beleive the September date would be just if you want to elect Abound points for 2023 use year. Opting in will likely be an ongoing process and even if you don't decide by September 2023, it wouldn't stop you from electing Abound Club Points for 2024 use year.
 

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I beleive the September date would be just if you want to elect Abound points for 2023 use year. Opting in will likely be an ongoing process and even if you don't decide by September 2023, it wouldn't stop you from electing Abound Club Points for 2024 use year.
Yes I am referring to opting in for use in 2023.. That does not give us much time to try and understand this new program if they keep pushing the launch date .
 

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Yes I am referring to opting in for use in 2023.. That does not give us much time to try and understand this new program if they keep pushing the launch date .
I agree. I suspect conversion will be low in 2023 anyway as a lot of owners have probably already made plans and bookings.
 

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Here's what I don't understand (amongst many other things). MVC spent a lot of money adding to their inventory. I'm assuming this is a debt that will have to be serviced. Is Abound Club going to entail another fee - separate and distinct from Destination Club - so we can access these new properties, etc? Just tell me what I'm going to get and how much it's going to cost. Or, is this going to be another MVC exercise in deciphering the Rosetta Stone?
 

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Here's what I don't understand (amongst many other things). MVC spent a lot of money adding to their inventory. I'm assuming this is a debt that will have to be serviced. Is Abound Club going to entail another fee - separate and distinct from Destination Club - so we can access these new properties, etc? Just tell me what I'm going to get and how much it's going to cost. Or, is this going to be another MVC exercise in deciphering the Rosetta Stone?
From what we understand, there will be no enrollment fee for Vistana owners to join Abound. The benefit that Marriott is hoping for is being able to upsell Vistana owners to buy Abound Trust Points to add to their ownership. If you were disappointed you didn't buy that oceanfront, they will say you only need to buy X more Abound points and you can book oceanfront. People will buy not knowing the challenges of actually finding oceanfront availability. Marriott is banking on selling a larger more collective product to a larter more collective ownership base.

A Marriott owner should not see any additional fees to get access. Though it is possible some Vistana (Westin mainly) resorts may cost more points to book, so they will try to sell Marriott owners more Trust points to be able to book them.
 

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Here's what I don't understand (amongst many other things). MVC spent a lot of money adding to their inventory. I'm assuming this is a debt that will have to be serviced. Is Abound Club going to entail another fee - separate and distinct from Destination Club - so we can access these new properties, etc? Just tell me what I'm going to get and how much it's going to cost. Or, is this going to be another MVC exercise in deciphering the Rosetta Stone?
From what I've been able to gather the current start date is 1 August but subject to being pushed back. I haven't updated the info in a couple of weeks, I'll reach out to see.

What I've been told is that those that are qualified under the other programs will remain so with a conversion factor to equate the various systems. The unknown seems to be the mandatory resorts that were resale. The rest can enroll. As I understand it, it's a fee then an additional fee for each contract/week but no extra points are included. Others likely have more specific information about this and it's been reported here as well.
 

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I'm new to this forum, I came across it this weekend when doing some research after an owners update I attended. My husband and I purchased a week at Sheraton Vistana Villages directly from Sheraton back in 2005. My husband travels a lot for work, or at least did prior to Covid, and the points from our credit card accumulation along with our weekly timeshare always allowed plenty of vacations for our family with minimal out of pocket expenses. Over the last 15 years it's been very easy to bank our options and book at other resorts through Vistana, we have never had a problem with availability. This past week we were in Orlando at our home resort and I asked to attend a presentation about the new program, we both wanted to understand how it worked, when it would be launched, how our week would be integrated, etc....We were both very excited to have access to new resorts that previously weren't on the program (I understand I could have banked in the past with Interval and booked the Marriott resorts, but it was always just easiest to work within the Vistana network).

In a nutshell, this is what we were told during what turned out to be a 2.5 hour presentation. He said that the new program was expected to launch in August or September. We were told that since we owned a fixed week and never integrated to the Flex program, that we would not be able to join the Abound program. I asked if I could join for a fee and to have our week valued at some sort of conversion rate, the answer was no. He said we had two options, the first was to buy more flex options at $20k for 51,700 options or $30k for 81,000 options. This would put us into the Abound program as well as give us lifetime platinum status and the ability to book any resort in the program 12 months out. The second option was to do nothing and not be able to join Abound. He said once Abound went live, they were completely doing away with the Vistana site and our week would be integrated with Interval International and we would only be able to book our home resort 12 months out and non-home resorts 8 months out (which is what it is now). However, he said that 97% of owners had already committed and paid the extra $$ to be a part of the Abound network, therefore, that inventory would likely never go to Interval and we wouldn't have access to them. He said it would be harder for us to book outside our home resort if we were a part of Interval. I asked him about a quote from Lori Gustafson at the Marriott Worldwide Investor Day on June 16th where she said "if Sheraton owners wanted to avail themselves of the Abound opportunity that it was additive and there would be no incremental cost to an owner". His answer was that this was only the case for owners that had converted to the Flex program years back. To me an owner is an owner, especially if we bought direct and not on the resale market. He never even talked about how the new program would work, it was really just a sales pitch to buy more options.

As people who really enjoy the flexibility of the program and vacationing at various resorts throughout the network, we said we would buy the 51,700 options but had to come in the next day to fill out the paperwork and sign since we had time-sensitive plans. They allowed us to go with the plan of coming in the next morning. Our fear was we would be left for dead in Interval and vacationing in Orlando for the rest of our lives (no offense to Orlando). The entire day it nagged at me and I spend hours out of my vacation looking on various sites and doing research. It seems there aren't official guidelines listed anywhere and that everyone is getting different information. My gut told me not to do it and I canceled the meeting and told them we weren't purchasing. It also rubs me the wrong way that I have been a dues paying owner for 17 years and they are not going to let me into the "club" unless I pay another $20-30k. My husband and I are just going to sit tight and see what actually happens when the program officially rolls out.
 
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From what I've been able to gather the current start date is 1 August but subject to being pushed back. I haven't updated the info in a couple of weeks, I'll reach out to see.

What I've been told is that those that are qualified under the other programs will remain so with a conversion factor to equate the various systems. The unknown seems to be the mandatory resorts that were resale. The rest can enroll. As I understand it, it's a fee then an additional fee for each contract/week but no extra points are included. Others likely have more specific information about this and it's been reported here as well.
Thank you for the info.
 

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From what I've been able to gather the current start date is 1 August but subject to being pushed back. I haven't updated the info in a couple of weeks, I'll reach out to see.

What I've been told is that those that are qualified under the other programs will remain so with a conversion factor to equate the various systems. The unknown seems to
From what we understand, there will be no enrollment fee for Vistana owners to join Abound. The benefit that Marriott is hoping for is being able to upsell Vistana owners to buy Abound Trust Points to add to their ownership. If you were disappointed you didn't buy that oceanfront, they will say you only need to buy X more Abound points and you can book oceanfront. People will buy not knowing the challenges of actually finding oceanfront availability. Marriott is banking on selling a larger more collective product to a larter more collective ownership base.

A Marriott owner should not see any additional fees to get access. Though it is possible some Vistana (Westin mainly) resorts may cost more points to book, so they will try to sell Marriott owners more Trust points to be able to book them.

be the mandatory resorts that were resale. The rest can enroll. As I understand it, it's a fee then an additional fee for each contract/week but no extra points are included. Others likely have more specific information about this and it's been reported here as well.
 

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I'm new to this forum, I came across it this weekend when doing some research after an owners update I attended. My husband and I purchased a week at Sheraton Vistana Villages directly from Sheraton back in 2005. My husband travels a lot for work, or at least did prior to Covid, and the points from our credit card accumulation along with our weekly timeshare always allowed plenty of vacations for our family with minimal out of pocket expenses. Over the last 15 years it's been very easy to bank our options and book at other resorts through Vistana, we have never had a problem with availability. This past week we were in Orlando at our home resort and I asked to attend a presentation based on the new program, we both wanted to understand how it work, when it would be launched, how our week would be integrated, etc....We were both very excited to have access to new resorts that previously weren't on the program (I understand I could have banked in the past with Interval and booked the Marriott resorts, but it was always just easiest to work within the Vistana network).

In a nutshell, this is what we were told during what turned out to be a 2.5 hour presentation. He said that the new program was expected to launch in August or September. We were told that since we owned a fixed week and never integrated to the Flex program, that we would not be able to join the Abound program. I asked if I could join for a fee and to have our week valued at some sort of conversion rate, the answer was no. He said we had two options, the first was to buy more flex options at $20k for 51,700 options or $30k for 81,000 options. This would put us into the Abound program as well as give us lifetime platinum status and the ability to book any resort in the program 12 months out. The second option was to do nothing and not be able to join Abound. He said once Abound went live, they were completely doing away with the Vistana site and our week would be integrated with Interval International and we would only be able to book our home resort 12 months out and non-home resorts 8 months out (which is what it is now). However, he said that 97% of owners had already committed and paid the extra $$ to be a part of the Abound network, therefore, that inventory would likely never go to Interval we wouldn't have access to them. He said it would be harder for us to book outside our home resort if we were a part of Interval. I asked him about a quote from Lori Gustafson at the Marriott Worldwide Investor Day on June 16th where she said "if Sheraton owners wanted to avail themselves of the Abound opportunity that it was additive and there would be no incremental cost to an owner". His answer was that this was only the case for owners that had converted to the Flex program years back. To me an owner is an owner, especially if we bought direct and not on the resale market. He never even talked about how the new program would work, it was really just a sales pitch to buy more options.

As people who really enjoy the flexibility of the program and vacationing at various resorts throughout the network, we said we would buy the 51,700 options but had to come in the next day to fill out the paperwork and sign since we had time-sensitive plans. They allowed us to go with the plan of coming in the next morning. Our fear was we would be left for dead in Interval and vacationing in Orlando for the rest of our lives (no offense to Orlando). The entire day it nagged at me and I spend time out of my vacation looking on various sites and doing research. It seems there arent' guidelines listed anywhere and that everyone is getting different information. My gut told me not to do it and I canceled the meeting and told them we weren't purchasing. It also rubs me the wrong way that I have been a dues paying owner for 17 years and they are not going to let me into the "club" unless I pay another $20-30k. My husband and I are just going to sit tight and see what actually happens when the program officially rolls out.
The saleperson was lying. You will be able to join the Abound program since you already own a developer direct purchase timeshare.
 

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I'm new to this forum, I came across it this weekend when doing some research after an owners update I attended. My husband and I purchased a week at Sheraton Vistana Villages directly from Sheraton back in 2005. My husband travels a lot for work, or at least did prior to Covid, and the points from our credit card accumulation along with our weekly timeshare always allowed plenty of vacations for our family with minimal out of pocket expenses. Over the last 15 years it's been very easy to bank our options and book at other resorts through Vistana, we have never had a problem with availability. This past week we were in Orlando at our home resort and I asked to attend a presentation based on the new program, we both wanted to understand how it work, when it would be launched, how our week would be integrated, etc....We were both very excited to have access to new resorts that previously weren't on the program (I understand I could have banked in the past with Interval and booked the Marriott resorts, but it was always just easiest to work within the Vistana network).

In a nutshell, this is what we were told during what turned out to be a 2.5 hour presentation. He said that the new program was expected to launch in August or September. We were told that since we owned a fixed week and never integrated to the Flex program, that we would not be able to join the Abound program. I asked if I could join for a fee and to have our week valued at some sort of conversion rate, the answer was no. He said we had two options, the first was to buy more flex options at $20k for 51,700 options or $30k for 81,000 options. This would put us into the Abound program as well as give us lifetime platinum status and the ability to book any resort in the program 12 months out. The second option was to do nothing and not be able to join Abound. He said once Abound went live, they were completely doing away with the Vistana site and our week would be integrated with Interval International and we would only be able to book our home resort 12 months out and non-home resorts 8 months out (which is what it is now). However, he said that 97% of owners had already committed and paid the extra $$ to be a part of the Abound network, therefore, that inventory would likely never go to Interval we wouldn't have access to them. He said it would be harder for us to book outside our home resort if we were a part of Interval. I asked him about a quote from Lori Gustafson at the Marriott Worldwide Investor Day on June 16th where she said "if Sheraton owners wanted to avail themselves of the Abound opportunity that it was additive and there would be no incremental cost to an owner". His answer was that this was only the case for owners that had converted to the Flex program years back. To me an owner is an owner, especially if we bought direct and not on the resale market. He never even talked about how the new program would work, it was really just a sales pitch to buy more options.

As people who really enjoy the flexibility of the program and vacationing at various resorts throughout the network, we said we would buy the 51,700 options but had to come in the next day to fill out the paperwork and sign since we had time-sensitive plans. They allowed us to go with the plan of coming in the next morning. Our fear was we would be left for dead in Interval and vacationing in Orlando for the rest of our lives (no offense to Orlando). The entire day it nagged at me and I spend time out of my vacation looking on various sites and doing research. It seems there arent' guidelines listed anywhere and that everyone is getting different information. My gut told me not to do it and I canceled the meeting and told them we weren't purchasing. It also rubs me the wrong way that I have been a dues paying owner for 17 years and they are not going to let me into the "club" unless I pay another $20-30k. My husband and I are just going to sit tight and see what actually happens when the program officially rolls out.
The only word I can find in my head to describe that salesman's behavior is reprehensible. Seriously, how do people like that live with themselves? So glad you listened to your gut! Soon you will be enjoying Abound if you wish, in spite of the lies you were told.
 
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The only word I can find in my head to describe that salesman's behavior is reprehensible. Seriously, how do people like that live with themselves? So glad you listen to your gut! Soon you will be enjoying Abound if you wish, in spite of the lies you were told.
Vistana Villages has been some of the worst sales experiences we have had. I have over heard many conversations while there too and the lies fly off their tongues with great ease.
 

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From what I've been able to gather the current start date is 1 August but subject to being pushed back. I haven't updated the info in a couple of weeks, I'll reach out to see.

What I've been told is that those that are qualified under the other programs will remain so with a conversion factor to equate the various systems. The unknown seems to be the mandatory resorts that were resale. The rest can enroll. As I understand it, it's a fee then an additional fee for each contract/week but no extra points are included. Others likely have more specific information about this and it's been reported here as well.
I did reach out and the current start date is still 1 August but until it actually happens, we'll have to see. My guess is it'll come down to whether things actually work when they flip the switch on the computer change over.
 
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