Thread Dedicated to the Upcoming/Anticipated Integration of Vistana and Marriott Ownerships

[Dean]

To the best of my knowledge, when exchanging via II all the small 1-bed units show “LK” (limited kitchen) vs “K”. This isn’t difficult. BTW, the Marriott studios don’t show any kitchen designation at all at II.


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It's not difficult for an instant exchange but is for an ongoing search unless one can establish parameters that would differentiate the 2. Regardless I was making a broader point that expands far beyond Vistana.

 

[dioxide45]

I agree, studio units without a kitchen don't appeal to me at all for anything other than a quick one-night stay, and even then only if a more-economical hotel room isn't available. But there's definitely a market for them, especially among the people who are using Points (as opposed to Weeks) because it costs so much fewer points to book them. Disney's another system where the studio units are useless for my purposes, at least some of them at judging by the DVC Beach Club studio I once stayed in, and there are probably others.

I'm interested to see the Abound Points Charts for Westin/Sheraton resorts to see the differential between what you call the "small 1BR" and the "large 1BR." I'm wondering if they'll correlate to the differentials between Marriott Studio and 1BR units, or, if the Westin/Sheraton "small 1BR" will cost more points than a Marriott Studio.

We have been staying in Marriott studios more recently and while they aren't ideal they aren't as bad as they could be. For us the biggest issue is no in room ice machine and no in room laundry. I can make do with a small refrigerator and no oven or stovetop. I also don't like that they only have two place settings and a TINY sink. Marriott could easily fix all of these except the laundry either before or during the next round of renovations.

The studio still has one bed, one sofa and one bathroom, so it isn't really any different than a full 1BR except for the square footage. We like them because they are pretty cheap. We were able to score some good deals on ShortStay getaways for less than $13 a night (taxes included) for 18 nights over three bookings.

 

[Ken555]

It's not difficult for an instant exchange but is for an ongoing search unless one can establish parameters that would differentiate the 2. Regardless I was making a broader point that expands far beyond Vistana.

Other than Vistana, what network has small and large 1-bed units that have a partial or full kitchen?


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[Eric B]

Wyndham & WorldMark

 

[Dean]

Wyndham & WorldMark

And Bluegreen, there are likely others.

 

[dioxide45]

Wyndham & WorldMark

From what I understand though, sometimes the smaller side or studios only have a murphy bed?

 

[Ken555]

And Bluegreen, there are likely others.

Good to know, but I’ve never stayed there. I thought this thread was about Marriott and Vistana…


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[dioxide45]

Good to know, but I’ve never stayed there. I thought this thread was about Marriott and Vistana…


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You asked the question "Other than Vistana, what network has small and large 1-bed units that have a partial or full kitchen?" People are giving you answers.

 

[VacationForever]

Other than Vistana, what network has small and large 1-bed units that have a partial or full kitchen?


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If you are referring to Marriott only, Shadow Ridge Enclaves has 2 BR Deluxe which comprises 1 large BR and 1 small BR with kitchen.

 

[Ken555]

You asked the question "Other than Vistana, what network has small and large 1-bed units that have a partial or full kitchen?" People are giving you answers.

And I thought they would limit themselves to the thread topic. But thanks, as always, for clarifying my posts for me. You do TUG a service.


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[dioxide45]

And I thought they would limit themselves to the thread topic. But thanks, as always, for clarifying my posts for me. You do TUG a service.


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Other than Vistana? If it is limited to only the thread topic, there is only one other than Vistana which is Marriott Vacation Club and that was already answered. It seems several people interpreted it the same way. So the problem seems to be with how you asked the question, not how people interpreted it.

 

[Ken555]

Other than Vistana? If it is limited to only the thread topic, there is only one other than Vistana which is Marriott Vacation Club and that was already answered. It seems several people interpreted it the same way. So the problem seems to be with how you asked the question, not how people interpreted it.

You need to stop being so critical of my posts. I wrote “Good to know”, and then added I don’t stay there. This is a Marriott/Vistana thread. Enough.


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[Dean]

If you are referring to Marriott only, Shadow Ridge Enclaves has 2 BR Deluxe which comprises 1 large BR and 1 small BR with kitchen.

So too would the lock off portion of the 3 BR at Grande Chateau and it wouldn't bet a partial kitchen. Do any of the Lakeshore units have a smaller 1BR, I was under the impression that some of the units there separated into a 1 BR as the second portion.

 

[dioxide45]

You need to stop being so critical of my posts. I wrote “Good to know”, and then added I don’t stay there. This is a Marriott/Vistana thread. Enough.

Yes sir!!! Get over yourself. Perhaps you should not be so critical either. I just pointed out how some may have interpreted your post in response to you being critical of them seemingly going off topic even though you were the one to lead it off topic in the first place.

 

[Eric B]

From what I understand though, sometimes the smaller side or studios only have a murphy bed?

That's correct. They do provide details on what there is, of course, and often they don't make it into exchanges because of owner/member demand for the loaction. YMMV. Apologies for straying off the strict thread topic....

ETA: sometimes there is a Murphy bed in addition to the regular one, too.

 

[Ken555]

Yes sir!!! Get over yourself. Perhaps you should not be so critical either. I just pointed out how some may have interpreted your post in response to you being critical of them seemingly going off topic even though you were the one to lead it off topic in the first place.

You continually criticize and correct my posts. I’m tired of it, and I’m going to start commenting about it. I’m here to learn and provide what info I have, and not be corrected for leaving out a comma or being told what to think. You know a lot about timeshares, and you participate and provide good info in many threads that many of us appreciate, but you also are too critical of many posts. I may be the first to speak up publicly about it, but I know I’m not alone. Please think a little about how your comments will be received before posting, and perhaps give the poster a little benefit of the doubt.


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[kozykritter]

You continually criticize and correct my posts. I’m tired of it, and I’m going to start commenting about it. I’m here to learn and provide what info I have, and not be corrected for leaving out a comma or being told what to think. You know a lot about timeshares, and you participate and provide good info in many threads that many of us appreciate, but you also are too critical of many posts. I may be the first to speak up publicly about it, but I know I’m not alone. Please think a little about how your comments will be received before posting, and perhaps give the poster a little benefit of the doubt.


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Thank you for bravely bringing this forth and I agree. I can see the good intentions and commitment from some users here (including him) to making things as accurate as possible and creating a great resource for all yet it feels at times like I'm being nitpicked by them on small details when the gist of what I'm sharing is the important stuff and on point IMHO. It's totally annoying! When it happens I try to remember to take a deep breath and let it go because I didn't come here for a constant tug of war but instead to share in this community and have all of us benefit from doing the same with each other. Differing opinions are part of making this happen but there needs to be room and tolerance for expression that isn't perfect in its form. Otherwise it feels like we're back in school again, constantly being evaluated and corrected. That's no fun

 

[sharr7]

Maybe there's more of a history or I've missed more of the incendiary past posts but this specific example is a weird hill to die on - it's very odd to ask about other timeshare networks, get responses, and then if it wasn't exactly what you meant to be asking, instead of letting it go or clarifying what you meant, to just shut down the conversation like everyone else was wrong.

I've found both of your contributions helpful over the last few years and it hasn't appeared to a third-party person such as myself that someone was being overly pedantic. Since it's around forever, people can search for old threads, and there's ability to edit or clarify, within the forum medium it is good/helpful to correct any misinformation to an extent. Perhaps what could be seen as nitpicking is an important fact for someone else. Again I didn't look through history of you all's posts specifically so maybe something needed to be said but I'd hate for people to be afraid to clarify or correct or add things to a conversation. Only one user comes to mind when I think of frustratingly antagonistic and it's not either of you lol...

Anyway everyone clearly needs some final official Abound details, all these threads in both Marriott and Vistana forums are STRUGGLING for anything new and true. We've picked the bones clean I think of every detail that can be analyzed...need more meat badly before we all turn on each other

 

[kozykritter]

Maybe there's more of a history or I've missed more of the incendiary past posts but this specific example is a weird hill to die on - it's very odd to ask about other timeshare networks, get responses, and then if it wasn't exactly what you meant to be asking, instead of letting it go or clarifying what you meant, to just shut down the conversation like everyone else was wrong.

I've found both of your contributions helpful over the last few years and it hasn't appeared to a third-party person such as myself that someone was being overly pedantic. Since it's around forever, people can search for old threads, and there's ability to edit or clarify, within the forum medium it is good/helpful to correct any misinformation to an extent. Perhaps what could be seen as nitpicking is an important fact for someone else. Again I didn't look through history of you all's posts specifically so maybe something needed to be said but I'd hate for people to be afraid to clarify or correct or add things to a conversation. Only one user comes to mind when I think of frustratingly antagonistic and it's not either of you lol...

Anyway everyone clearly needs some final official Abound details, all these threads in both Marriott and Vistana forums are STRUGGLING for anything new and true. We've picked the bones clean I think of every detail that can be analyzed...need more meat badly before we all turn on each other

As my therapist says, when the cup has been filled to the rim, it only takes one drop to make it overflow! And bystanders are left scratching their heads when it happens since they only saw the one drop go in and the resulting reaction seems out of proportion. So yes, you may have missed the filling of the cup over time in this forum and other ones since you perhaps weren't the one receiving the constant "input" along the way. I'm a pretty easygoing, levelheaded and optimistic glass-half-full kind of person and I truly love the exchange of perspectives here that run the gamut. It's what makes this board a great resource for all of us. I think Ken and I are just asking that the nitpicking of exact details of every post made gets toned down and any user pauses for a moment to ask themselves "Do I really need to respond this way or at all?". It's what I do to check myself and avoid behavior that doesn't add anything of benefit to the community and only serves to make me feel like I'm right. I would wish for the same from others.

 

[SueDonJ]

As my therapist says, when the cup has been filled to the rim, it only takes one drop to make it overflow! And bystanders are left scratching their heads when it happens since they only saw the one drop go in and the resulting reaction seems out of proportion. So yes, you may have missed the filling of the cup over time since you perhaps weren't the one receiving the constant "input" along the way. I'm a pretty easygoing, levelheaded and optimistic glass-half-full kind of person and I truly love the exchange of perspectives here that run the gamut. It's what makes this board a great resource for all of us. I think Ken and I are just asking that the nitpicking of exact details of every post made gets toned down and the user pauses for a moment to ask themselves "Do I really need to respond this way or at all?". It's what I do to check myself and avoid behavior that doesn't add anything of benefit to the community. I would wish for the same from others.

I think I might be one of the people you're talking about who nitpick every detail down to its smallest particle. Even if you don't think I'm one of them, I've certainly seen a few pointed comments about letting people "agree to disagree" that may have been generated by my posts about the Destination Club/Abound. The thing is, though, it's hard to let some opinions/information stand without challenging it considering that I - and many others - have an excellent working knowledge of the DC! In this thread and the one on the Vistana forum I have certainly learned a whole lot about Vistana timeshares that I never would have bothered to learn if our two systems weren't being integrated, and I appreciate all of the Vistana owners who have taken the time to teach me. I'll admit that having invested that time myself, it's sometimes off-putting to have my contributions dismissed summarily because they seemingly don't fit what a Vistana owner wants from the upcoming integration.

Regardless, we're all free to take what we want and leave what we don't in these conversations. There will come a day when all of this coalesces with whatever Marriott officially releases about Vistana integrations, and I intend to continue to try to help the Vistana owners make their way through their Abound program if the information I have is useful. I can't say enough how difficult it was for us Marriott owners to have the Destination Club dumped on us with no guidance - we floundered around for more than a year trying to interpret the legalese and combat rampant negativity and rumors/misinformation at the same time. None of us should want a repeat of that mess.

As a moderator trying to navigate the overall tone of these discussions, I'm following the example set by the Marriott forum moderator prior to and at the DC inception, giving some leeway because it's basic human nature to be fearful of the unknown and fear breeds short tempers and irritation. The particular exchange that precipitated this airing of grievances is over, though. Let's all take a breath and move on to the next one, please.

 

[Fasttr]

... airing of grievances....

Serenity Now....Serenity Now!!!

 

[kozykritter]

I think I might be one of the people you're talking about who nitpick every detail down to its smallest particle. Even if you don't think I'm one of them, I've certainly seen a few pointed comments about letting people "agree to disagree" that may have been generated by my posts about the Destination Club/Abound. The thing is, though, it's hard to let some opinions/information stand without challenging it considering that I - and many others - have an excellent working knowledge of the DC! In this thread and the one on the Vistana forum I have certainly learned a whole lot about Vistana timeshares that I never would have bothered to learn if our two systems weren't being integrated, and I appreciate all of the Vistana owners who have taken the time to teach me. I'll admit that having invested that time myself, it's sometimes off-putting to have my contributions dismissed summarily because they seemingly don't fit what a Vistana owner wants from the upcoming integration.

Regardless, we're all free to take what we want and leave what we don't in these conversations. There will come a day when all of this coalesces with whatever Marriott officially releases about Vistana integrations, and I intend to continue to try to help the Vistana owners make their way through their Abound program if the information I have is useful. I can't say enough how difficult it was for us Marriott owners to have the Destination Club dumped on us with no guidance - we floundered around for more than a year trying to interpret the legalese and combat rampant negativity and rumors/misinformation at the same time. None of us should want a repeat of that mess.

As a moderator trying to navigate the overall tone of these discussions, I'm following the example set by the Marriott forum moderator prior to and at the DC inception, giving some leeway because it's basic human nature to be fearful of the unknown and fear breeds short tempers and irritation. The particular exchange that precipitated this airing of grievances is over, though. Let's all take a breath and move on to the next one, please.

Yes, you were one of the users in my mind when I wrote that. I agree that it's time to move on from this conversation and learn to function better as the big joined family that we have become as a result of this integration. Think The Brady Bunch.

 

[jmhpsu93]

The studio still has one bed, one sofa and one bathroom, so it isn't really any different than a full 1BR except for the square footage. We like them because they are pretty cheap. We were able to score some good deals on ShortStay getaways for less than $13 a night (taxes included) for 18 nights over three bookings.

My wife and I love each other dearly but that situation would be recipe for law enforcement involvement, or at the very least a divorce attorney.

 

[jabberwocky]

So back to an integration question. How does it work with MVC when ownerships are transferred to a family member? Do the points from the transferred week also transfer and count towards status for the child/recipient?

Suppose I have enough points for executive level and my parents have an enrolled TS week. If the week was transferred into my name, my understanding is that The week would continue to be enrolled and eligible for DP conversion. Would those points then be able to take me to a higher level (ie presidential) assuming I passed the threshold level?

The reason I’m asking is that I was told in an update that the Vistana weeks I am getting from my parents (both developer purchases) will not be recognized for points if they are transferred to me even though they would be in VSN. Essentially MVC treats family transfers the same as resale (ie the enrolled status doesn’t transfer).

Is this correct? My understanding was the status/points would transfer for weeks in the existing MVC system if it is family.

 

[Fasttr]

So back to an integration question. How does it work with MVC when ownerships are transferred to a family member? Do the points from the transferred week also transfer and count towards status for the child/recipient?

Suppose I have enough points for executive level and my parents have an enrolled TS week. If the week was transferred into my name, my understanding is that The week would continue to be enrolled and eligible for DP conversion. Would those points then be able to take me to a higher level (ie presidential) assuming I passed the threshold level?

The reason I’m asking is that I was told in an update that the Vistana weeks I am getting from my parents (both developer purchases) will not be recognized for points if they are transferred to me even though they would be in VSN. Essentially MVC treats family transfers the same as resale (ie the enrolled status doesn’t transfer).

Is this correct? My understanding was the status/points would transfer for weeks in the existing MVC system if it is family.

MVC allows enrolled weeks to retain enrollability if handed down the direct bloodline (eg. parent to child), but not to/from other family members like from brother to sister, etc.