SumDay Vacations

[rrlongwell]

Robert -
You are blaming a eBAY issue on the resaler vendor. To list a real estate transaction for sale, the seller MUST list a location and it must be deeded. Just go check ALL the Worldmark listings. Club Access has the same issue.

Sumday Vacations does a decent job and stands behind it sales and listings. Plus, you don't have a horse's anything in this fight as YOU are not even in the market to buy a single resale point.

There are no other windmills on eBAY to try and tilt?

Appriciate the attack ad on behalf of this re-seller. Actually, as posted earlier, I do have an interest in not seeing Smokey Mountain used in this fashion. I own two timeshares at this resort and am concerned that this sales practice not have a backfiring effect on this resort. I do not subscribe to the theory that someone does not have an interest in re-seller's false, misleading, and/or fraudlant practices. It could and probably does affect resale prices at the affected resorts and the industry as a whole. I am sure E-Bay did not come up with the words that it was a deeded property for Access Points. Nor, I am sure, did they select Smokey Mountains as the resort to indicated the deeded points were at. P.S. in fact, I am actively shopping around for one additional timeshare unit and have been in contact with the sales staff of selected resorts and a couple of re-sellers. As a earlier post from the reseller indicated (if I remember right, I did not go back and review for it). That is what caught my initial attention about the timeshare in question. If a deeded timeshare under the Club Wynhdam Access program actually existed, I would very much be interest in it, retail or re-sale.

By the way, at least one other group selling Vacation Club interests manages not to represent it as a deeded property. You may want to visit this E-Bay link.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3500-SHELL-...90607901918?pt=Timeshares&hash=item2c611dc4de

I did what you suggested and reviewed a couple of Worldmark adds. You might see that even with Worldmark ads on E-Bay, it can be done without representing it is a deeded property where it is not.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WorldMark-W...00631459229?pt=Timeshares&hash=item45ff08059d

 

[bjones9942]

Robert -
You are blaming a eBAY issue on the resaler vendor. To list a real estate transaction for sale, the seller MUST list a location and it must be deeded. Just go check ALL the Worldmark listings. Club Access has the same issue.

Sumday Vacations does a decent job and stands behind it sales and listings. Plus, you don't have a horse's anything in this fight as YOU are not even in the market to buy a single resale point.

There are no other windmills on eBAY to try and tilt?

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I don't see anything on eBay restricting a timeshare listing to deeded properties only (in fact, there are hundreds of Mexico RTU properties listed at almost any time). Here's what I did find (by checking eBay policy, not Worldmark listings):

Timeshare deeded properties or credits/points (not for rent)

• Need to be listed in Real Estate >Timeshares for Sale category only
• The title of the listing must state the exact location and name of resort

Since most timeshares are points or credit systems that allow for trading to different locations and resorts, you'll need to choose which location or resort you want to advertise and limit your listing description to that specific timeshare.

In the item specifics, you must state the exact location and resort.

You can't state "multiple destinations" or "varies" in the description.

The description must advertise the specific resort. You can't mention the trading of points, and you can't mention affiliations that can be had with other timeshare companies. You must advertise the timeshare you're listing.

That says if you are selling a deeded timeshare, it must be listed in Real Estate >Timeshares for Sale category only. Doesn't say RTU units can't also be listed there. If you have another eBay link I'd appreciate it if you posted it - I have a strange fascination with eBay policy. BTW, nothing restricting RTU's here either.

Of course, there are also rules that are broken all the time - like Paypal's prohibition on payments for the sale of real property (see policy here).

 

[vckempson]

1. Yes, our listing person made an error by stating in the listing that it was a deed.

2. The ebay listing shows a particular resort because that is an Ebay requirement. Our listing gets pulled 99 percent of the time if you try to list what is called a multiple location listing. So, they require us to pick one resort in the system we are selling and make the listing about it. We would much prefer it to be the other way.

3. We are not trying to mis-represent anything. Please understand that advertising errors are very common in ebay adverts. Not because we want them to be, simply just from the volume of work that goes into each one. For instance, to save time they cut and paste from other listings which is why on this listing it stated deeded instead of right to use.

Let me apologize to you for that but in this case the person dealing with you did exactly the right thing by sending you the verification/estoppel sheet we receive to verify what we are selling. Those show the true and accurate facts of any property you are looking to purchase.

Originally Posted by http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/travel.html

Timeshare deeded properties or credits/points (not for rent)

•Need to be listed in Real Estate >Timeshares for Sale category only
•The title of the listing must state the exact location and name of resort

Since most timeshares are points or credit systems that allow for trading to different locations and resorts, you'll need to choose which location or resort you want to advertise and limit your listing description to that specific timeshare.

In the item specifics, you must state the exact location and resort.

You can't state "multiple destinations" or "varies" in the description.

The description must advertise the specific resort. You can't mention the trading of points, and you can't mention affiliations that can be had with other timeshare companies. You must advertise the timeshare you're listing.

Wow!. Look at that. E-bay requires a location, just as Sumdayvacations indicated. He's vindicated about having to have a location on the listing. He's acknowledged that stating "deeded" was a mistake. There's no indication of ANY willfull misrepresentation. Jeff appears to be trying to do the right thing. We all know that the entire process is fraught with confusion, often lacking in accurate information from the get go. We've heard repeatedly that once the listing is up, you can't revise it, even to correct a mistake.

I know none of us here ever make mistakes. We live our lives in perfection with nothing ever done wrong. When we go to work we're given accolades and bonuses every quarter because we do the work of 2 people with a zero error rate... Give me a break! Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. All of those, or almost all of those who have worked with Sumday Vacations appear quite happy with them and the outcome. Are all experiences perfect? No. But they've worked to make it right and have done exactly that in almost all situations that I've read about, including my own.

There are enough real crooks in this business. Go shine a light on them and stop beating up on on an honest guy trying to do the right thing.

 

[rrlongwell]

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I am not sure an "Honest Guy" would permit his company to continue advertizing a non-deeded property as a deeded one especially after it came to his attention. Oh well, I guess I could be wrong.

 

[learnalot]

I am not sure an "Honest Guy" would permit his company to continue advertizing a non-deeded property as a deeded one especially after it came to his attention. Oh well, I guess I could be wrong.

Longwell,

Did you see Jim's post #30 (not the seller, BTW). He said that it is not possible to correct errors once the listing has gone up? You might need to wait and see if they make the correction on NEW listings. Also, YOU should know that there are no deeded CWA properties. The whole POINT of CWA is that the deeds are held in trust. You deal directly with Wyndham all the time. Wyndham contracts have been on the resale market for a long time and have always been deeded. CWA is new on the resale market and it seems like a reasonable mistake to me...and inconsequential to most people. If you who should already know otherwise could think that a CWA contract might be deeded, I am not sure why you think someone else might not make the same mistake.

 

[ace2000]

Longwell,

Did you see Jim's post #30 (not the seller, BTW). He said that it is not possible to correct errors once the listing has gone up?

Is this really true? I'm very skeptical. I've sold items on eBay and was able to change the listing with no problem (and no extra fees).

 

[vckempson]

Is this really true? I'm very skeptical. I've sold items on eBay and was able to change the listing with no problem (and no extra fees).

As I understand it, that is the case with real estate listings but not with other listings.

 

[rrlongwell]

Longwell,

Did you see Jim's post #30 (not the seller, BTW). He said that it is not possible to correct errors once the listing has gone up? You might need to wait and see if they make the correction on NEW listings. Also, YOU should know that there are no deeded CWA properties. The whole POINT of CWA is that the deeds are held in trust. You deal directly with Wyndham all the time. Wyndham contracts have been on the resale market for a long time and have always been deeded. CWA is new on the resale market and it seems like a reasonable mistake to me...and inconsequential to most people. If you who should already know otherwise could think that a CWA contract might be deeded, I am not sure why you think someone else might not make the same mistake.

Do not rule out the possabilty that a few deeded access properties are out their. I am not going into why I believe that is possable, but from what I know, it may be currently or may come to pass for a few timeshares in the near future (To my knowledge, these would involve one or more WAAM properties. One timeshare I inquired on a while ago did make a change to the listing after I asked about parking fees that were disclosed at a resort that did not have the fees). Sorry, I should know to take the word of a re-seller over what I have seen for myself or have/have seen documents to the contrary.

By the way, the following is another E-Bay link. This one is better than the other two because it is a Club Wyndham Access points auction.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/250920190795?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Club-Wyndha...50720839367?pt=Timeshares&hash=item2317a97ec7

According to earlier post(s), this firm had a BBB rating of F and currently is C. So I would tend to agree that all of their activities may not be perfect.

 

[vckempson]

Sorry, I should know to take the word of a re-seller over what I have seen for myself or have/have seen documents to the contrary.

You believe everything the Wyndham people tell you, so why wouldn't believe everthing that the re-sellers tell you?

 

[rrlongwell]

You believe everything the Wyndham people tell you, so why wouldn't believer everthing that the re-sellers tell you?

Why not. What the heck. Believe but verify.

A great example of this is the Sumday E-Bay listing for Vintage Landing. I called the number on the add for the resort. They advise they have no association with Vintage Landing.

 

[vckempson]

By the way, the following is another E-Bay link. This one is better than the other two because it is a Club Wyndham Access points auction.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/250920190795?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
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It's also listed under "accomodations - timeshare " and not "real estate - timeshares". Not sure that's accurate either.

 

[rrlongwell]

Congratulations to Sumday Vacations for their getting 4 bidders on the following property:

"WYNDHAM CLUB ACCESS POINTS 67,000 SMOKY MOUNTAINS SEVIERVILLE, TENNESSEE … This resort is affiliated with RCI (Resort condominiums International) … Buy here for less and save thousands compared to current timeshare pricing. This Sale is for Ownership of Deeded Property ..."

I guess mis-representing timeshare discriptions works for E-Bay auctions (This property is not a deeded property at Smokey Mountains Tennessee. Maybe people should head the recent RCI warning) (see an extract below).

“RCI values its members and supports efforts by the American Resort Development Association Resort Owners’ Coalition (ARDA-ROC) to help timeshare owners navigate through the secondary market. While some entities are legitimate resellers or rental agents of timeshare inventory, others are not. For additional information, RCI members may wish to consult with their club or resort or visit ARDA-ROC’s Timeshare Resale Resource Center at http://www.ardaroc.org/roc/resource-library/default.aspx?id=2645”

 

[tchr54]

Hi All,
I have read with great interest what has been said about this company. I too have bought from them, but no one has stated whether or not they have used them to sell a timeshare. I would be interested to see how many of us have used them. When I bought from them, they were professional, fast and answered all the questions I had. I now would like to see how they fare on the other side of the counter- so to speak....
Thanks for your time
Ed and Kay
Clinton, Mo

 

[rrlongwell]

... I would be interested to see how many of us have used them. When I bought from them, they were professional, fast and answered all the questions I had. I now would like to see how they fare on the other side of the counter- so to speak....

Do not know on the seller side, one posting I saw indicted he sold on behalf of at least one developer on timeshares that they took in trade. Also, the following in an interesting thread, look towards the bottom. According to the post, the buyer bought one thing and was given another. To get what he orginally bought would be $1,000 extra.

http://www.timeshareforums.com/foru...tions-has-anyone-had-any-experience-them.html

 

[rrlongwell]

My complements to Sumday Vacations. Just looked at a couple of newer postings on E-Bay. I saw that deeded interest deeds were described in the ad from what appears to be the legal discription. They described the units that a fractional interest was owned in.

 

[rrlongwell]

Interesting thread:

http://tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1231204#post1231204

 

[rrlongwell]

Interesting thread:

http://tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164444

 

[melschey]

My complements to Sumday Vacations. Just looked at a couple of newer postings on E-Bay. I saw that deeded interest deeds were described in the ad from what appears to be the legal discription. They described the units that a fractional interest was owned in.

You have read his ebay adds very carefully. His WorldMark ads are very deceiving. He has a add now for a 8000 credit WM membership. When you read the fine print it is really only a 6000 credit membership with only 2000 credits to transfer and 6000 credits to borrow making 8000 credits available for immediate use.

It should be advertised as a 6000-credit membership with 2000 credits to transfer and 6000 to borrow not as an 8000-credit membership.

His ads consistently use the total credits available and really should only use the amount of credits you get annually. He then should state how many are available for immediate use.

 

[bogey21]

All seller have their issues. None are perfect. Sumday is way more responsible than most. I have dealth with them multiple times. One time there was a problem which was quickly worked out.

George

 

[melschey]

All seller have their issues. None are perfect. Sumday is way more responsible than most. I have dealth with them multiple times. One time there was a problem which was quickly worked out.

George

I wouldn't be afraid to business with Sumday. I know many ebay adds are misleading. I just think you have to read his adds very carefully. I was interested in adding a 8000 credit account to my existing account and it was only after reading the fine print very carefully that I found out that it was only a 6000 annual account and it only had 2000 credits to transfer. The 6000 to borrow have no value because you will have to pay the MFS on those. If I wanted a 6000 credit account and if the price is right I would not hesitate to buy from Sumday.

Timeshares Angles would advertise this as a 6000 credit account with 2000 credits in the bank and 6000 credits to borrow which I believe is the way it should be done.

 

[rrlongwell]

... I know many ebay adds are misleading

Not sure why anyone would do business on a timeshare with a re-seller known to use misleading advertizing.

 

[melschey]

... I know many ebay adds are misleading

Not sure why anyone would do business on a timeshare with a re-seller known to use misleading advertizing.

I read the add very carefully and if I can buy at a price that is cheap enough I might do it. I have found that many ebay sellers don't really know what they are really selling. I am not sure if that is the case with Sumday or if is deliberately posting misleading information.. The point I really wanted to make is that you have read any ebay add very carefully and do your homework because a lot of them contain incorrect information.

 

[brigian]

... I know many ebay adds are misleading

I read the add very carefully and if I can buy at a price that is cheap enough I might do it. I have found that many ebay sellers don't really know what they are really selling. I am not sure if that is the case with Sumday or if is deliberately posting misleading information.. The point I really wanted to make is that you have read any ebay add very carefully and do your homework because a lot of them contain incorrect information.

I too read the ads very carefully, I also sell on ebay with 100% feedback. It's one thing to make an error in a listing nobody's perfect and I'm sure we've all made mistakes but another when the POTENTIAL buyer asks to verify the information pertaining to maintenance/program fees TWO times and both times the seller came back with incorrect information. After the seller replied back that yes the program fees are included I replied back asking are you sure they're included and again the response was yes I'm sure only to find out otherwise after the deed was in my name. I paid $600 for points that work out to $4.85 per thousand which I thought was $4.25 per thousand. I could have got a $4.85 per thousand contract for free.

The worst part is once I complained to the seller and asked what he would do about it, he said nothing and snubbed me off.

Nice.

Haven't left feedback yet, but i will.

 

[vacationhopeful]

seans0302 will have an unhappy buyer from the Wyndham Sea Gardens 231,000 auction. The winning bid was $750 (45 bids) with MFs "billed" as of $899.16.

The question which I raised DAYS ago and they answer correctly the second time I pushed it back on them was NEVER listing on the eBAY listing: No, the 2012 Special Assessment of $650 has NOT been paid.

I hope the buyer likes the real number of $2299.16.

 

[rrlongwell]

Also, do not forget a BBB complaint against the re-seller as a warning to others about the re-seller.