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Interesting, from a buying stand point, I can give high marks. I was very pleased with their service. I am curious how they get this inventory?

What is the name of The vacation club? Is that the name? Or which one are you talking about?

The name is Vacation Travel Club
 

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... Well, a few months later, I got the deed in my mailbox with my name as the owner. Through the whole transaction I signed nothing, but still got the deed with my name on it ..."

If you do not want the contract, and you signed nothing and they transferred the property to you anyway, I would file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau and the State Consumer Protection Agency and if the State the Resort is in requires a Real Estate Licence to sell timeshares there, with them also.
 
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"Don't attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity alone"

I would think that E-Bay re-sellers would not intentionally misrepresent timeshare descriptions in order to possibly get a sale.

The quoted title words are borrowed and are not my own, but they make a relevant point just the same.

With all of the cutting and pasting of content from one eBay auction listing to another, combined with a lack of solid knowledge about the widely varying details of the many different timeshare products they resell, I'm actually more surprised when eBay mega-sellers manage to get all the facts, descriptions and details right!
 
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I would think that E-Bay re-sellers would not intentionally misrepresent timeshare descriptions in order to possably get a sale. This hurts not just their own reputation, but the whole of the re-sellers that use E-Bay.
I have not dealt with this reseller, but I saw this issue on quite a few eBay auctions last year when we were buying -- and from a number of resellers, not just one.

I think there are a variety of explanations for mistakes on listings, probably none of which have to do with the seller's integrity. Sometimes they get erroneous info from the owner of the contract, sometimes they're just sloppy. But I contacted a bunch of eBay resellers doing my due diligence and I didn't see any indication of any intent to mislead.

A secondary problem is eBay's policies. Once an auction is listed, eBay doesn't allow any changes -- even to correct obvious mistakes. I noticed one that had the WRONG RESORT listed, and eBay wouldn't let the reseller change the listing in any way.
 

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I have not dealt with this reseller, but I saw this issue on quite a few eBay auctions last year when we were buying -- and from a number of resellers, not just one.

I think there are a variety of explanations for mistakes on listings, probably none of which have to do with the seller's integrity. Sometimes they get erroneous info from the owner of the contract, sometimes they're just sloppy. But I contacted a bunch of eBay resellers doing my due diligence and I didn't see any indication of any intent to mislead.

A secondary problem is eBay's policies. Once an auction is listed, eBay doesn't allow any changes -- even to correct obvious mistakes. I noticed one that had the WRONG RESORT listed, and eBay wouldn't let the reseller change the listing in any way.

I agree with you re: eBay. Lots of boo-boos on these listings so it is imperative that you ask questions first. I usually clarify things that look odd and will also ask a question that I already know the answer just to check their integrity.

One of the units we bought last year was a Maui unit listed as being in Kona. :confused: I was glad I stumbled upon that one. It was a great fixed summer week and works perfect for us. I also bought a unit that was listed as having a free week. I called the resort directly to confirm that the week existed and discovered that there were *two* unused weeks! So sometimes the errors are in the buyers favor.
 
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A secondary problem is eBay's policies. Once an auction is listed, eBay doesn't allow any changes -- even to correct obvious mistakes. I noticed one that had the WRONG RESORT listed, and eBay wouldn't let the reseller change the listing in any way.

End the Auction and Re-List + $ 35.00 = additional revenue for fleaBay
 

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I emailed the guy and he seemed very pleasant and answered all my questions about an auction on EBAY. It seems like you can tell him how many points you want and he will make you an offer before it goes to EBAY.

Kevin
 

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I emailed the guy and he seemed very pleasant and answered all my questions about an auction on EBAY. It seems like you can tell him how many points you want and he will make you an offer before it goes to EBAY.

Kevin

Interesting business approach, throw some timeshares on E-Bay, take the inquiries and then sell direct, effectively cutting out the E-Bay fees to the re-seller.
 

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A short explanation about ebay.

[QUOTE/QUOTE]

The E-Bay listing is showing Smokey Mountain with a RCI number attributed to Smokey Mountain. The Wyndham Owners Interest Sheet makes no reference to Smokey Mountains.

I would think that E-Bay re-sellers would not intentionally misrepresent timeshare descriptions in order to possably get a sale. This hurts not just their own reputation, but the whole of the re-sellers that use E-Bay.

1. Yes, our listing person made an error by stating in the listing that it was a deed.

2. The ebay listing shows a particular resort because that is an Ebay requirement. Our listing gets pulled 99 percent of the time if you try to list what is called a multiple location listing. So, they require us to pick one resort in the system we are selling and make the listing about it. We would much prefer it to be the other way.

3. We are not trying to mis-represent anything. Please understand that advertising errors are very common in ebay adverts. Not because we want them to be, simply just from the volume of work that goes into each one. For instance, to save time they cut and paste from other listings which is why on this listing it stated deeded instead of right to use.

Let me apologize to you for that but in this case the person dealing with you did exactly the right thing by sending you the verification/estoppel sheet we receive to verify what we are selling. Those show the true and accurate facts of any property you are looking to purchase.

Sincerely
Jeff
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3. We are not trying to mis-represent anything. Please understand that advertising errors are very common in ebay adverts. Not because we want them to be, simply just from the volume of work that goes into each one. For instance, to save time they cut and paste from other listings which is why on this listing it stated deeded instead of right to use.

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Jeff - Perhaps 'advertising errors are very common in ebay adverts'; that doesn't mean your company has to be error-prone as well. You could take the lead and double check your listings before they're finalized. I was a little shocked you actually said this (it's like saying, 'we strive for the same mediocrity as everyone else'). I'll give you points for your chutzpah - but then I take them away for low work ethic. Proof-reading/fact-checking - sounds like a nice job for someone entering the workforce.
 

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Jeff - Perhaps 'advertising errors are very common in ebay adverts'; that doesn't mean your company has to be error-prone as well. You could take the lead and double check your listings before they're finalized. I was a little shocked you actually said this (it's like saying, 'we strive for the same mediocrity as everyone else'). I'll give you points for your chutzpah - but then I take them away for low work ethic. Proof-reading/fact-checking - sounds like a nice job for someone entering the workforce.

+1

Well said.
 

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Maybe I'm more forgiving...I kind of like the idea that he's (SumDay)willing to come he and discuss things.

That said, yeah...there is just no reason to be repeating information that you know to be wrong, or fail to catch the most obvious defect. I mean, come on, you guys know just as much as the rest of us. Afterall, Sumday does attempt to portray itself as one of the better companies to do business with. So, act like it.

BTW, the comment 'we strive for the same mediocrity as everyone else' should really sting IF you are concerned with your reputation here @TUG.

Personally, I think you do so don't let stupid stuff like that happen. Or at least when it does, bend over backwards to fix it.
 

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Three positive experiences

I've purchased three timeshares from Sumday and had positive experiences all three times.
Listings were accurate and paperwork was very fast.
 

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resale timeshare sellers

Has anyone delt with great timeshare bargains. I can't seem to find the link where they talk about resellers. Anyone talk about CJ (someone refered to where they read about them but I can't find)Help please.
 

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I purchased a Bay Club unit on e-bay from Sumday and was very happy with their effort. It was purchased in October and has been converted to HGVC points already with those points in my account now so very happy with the turn around time.
 

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Merry Christmas

Maybe I'm more forgiving...I kind of like the idea that he's (SumDay)willing to come he and discuss things.

That said, yeah...there is just no reason to be repeating information that you know to be wrong, or fail to catch the most obvious defect. I mean, come on, you guys know just as much as the rest of us. Afterall, Sumday does attempt to portray itself as one of the better companies to do business with. So, act like it.

BTW, the comment 'we strive for the same mediocrity as everyone else' should really sting IF you are concerned with your reputation here @TUG.

Personally, I think you do so don't let stupid stuff like that happen. Or at least when it does, bend over backwards to fix it.

Thank you for stating you are more forgiving. I have found that some on TUG are more critical of Sumday Vacations than other companies out there, probably because they can place a face with Sumday Vacations and can't place one with the big box transfer companies. Hopefully that does not describe you.

I have a team of staff that verifies all the pertinent facts being represented on ebay. I also have a team of staff that lists on ebay and our website. Both teams continually check each other and I check both but it still never catches every error because there simply aren't enough hours in the day. I'm not going to have another heart attack over whether or not someone stated it was deeded instead of right to use, after all that's what this string was about.

The majority of our purchaser's are repeat timeshare owners and know what they are looking at in an advert. I wish I could say we are perfect but I'm also a realist and know that it will never happen, that does not mean I'm placid, stagnant or mediocre in our pursuit of bettering our transfer process.

Atleast one of you cite my BBB report and I would like to state several things that are not commonly known.
1. The BBB of Southwest Missouri will not allow any timeshare organization/service company to become a member if they started that company after the year 2000. However they will allow timeshare developers. I have tried to become a member since 2003.

2. Please look more closely at the complaints I receive. About half of them are not about Sumday Vacations, they are about a sales company that the person dealt with. That sales company referred the client to Sumday to transfer their timeshare but the client thinks they bought Sumday, so the consumer files a complaint about sales issues and they think that Sumday was the sales company. Our local BBB chapter will not remove those complaints from our record and place them on the appropriate sales company. This greatly reduces the BBB's rating of Sumday Vacations

3. The BBB of Southwest Missouri says that it rates businesses based upon volume. For the year 2011, we dealt with 5,366 sellers and 6,892 buyers. That is more than double the volume of several timeshare resorts in Branson, yet they have 3-7 times the complaints and an A rating. Is that a fair rating system or one that allows the large corporations of timeshare to protect their image?

I have many times thought that I should do as some other transfer companies do, base their corporate office in some other state that allows timeshare companies to be accredited and also allows them more control of their rating. If your not a member you are rated much more severely than a member. I have chosen not to do that because I believe that it is wrong but I do believe my local BBB chapter is tainted.

Anyway, each year we get a little better, maybe one of these years we'll live up to everyone's standards.
 

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... I'm not going to have another heart attack over whether or not someone stated it was deeded instead of right to use, after all that's what this string was about ...

I do not want to see you have a heart attack over this. However, I cannot help but observe your firm still has posting(s) for Access points as deeded properties at Smokey Mountain. The following are excerpts from your current listing on E-Bay.

WYNDHAM CLUB ACCESS POINTS 67,000 SMOKY MOUNTAINS SEVIERVILLE, TENNESSEE
GREAT FAMILY SPOT, ENJOY THE SMOKY MOUNTAINS

Item condition: --

Time left: 7d 20h (Jan 01, 201217:00:57 PST)

This Sale is for Ownership of Deeded Property.

If your firm continues to sell Club Wynhdam Access points as deeded properties at Smokey Mountain, I would request you stop because. I think the ads unfairly expose the resort owners to problems.
 

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I'm not going to have another heart attack....

No...don't do that...it hurts like the dickens and then your State of Ohio, Registered Dietician daughter won't let you eat anything that has the word "Alfredo" in it......and your Bride gets rather crabby about it too...

Trust me on that...
 

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Thank you for pointing it out and since it's bugging you we'll get it corrected. Once we do are you going to bid?

My interest in this particular advertizing line is that I own two timeshares at this resort and am conserned about possable fall-out from owners that bought Club Wynhdam Access thinking it was a deeded property there. Thank-you for taking steps to correct it.
 
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Thank you for pointing it out and since it's bugging you we'll get it corrected. Once we do are you going to bid?

Just checked your E-Bay add on Wyndham Club Acess points as a deeded property. I see your firm continues to use this approach even though you know that Club Wynhdam Access are not deeded properties. So much for what your firm indicates on this site. Someone periodically posts newspaper articals on Timeshare firms that engage in shakey practices. Look forward to reading about one on your firm.
 
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Just checked your E-Bay add on Wyndham Club Acess points as a deeded property. I see your firm continues to use this approach even though you know that Club Wynhdam Access are not deeded properties. So much for what your firm indicates on this site.

Robert -
You are blaming a eBAY issue on the resaler vendor. To list a real estate transaction for sale, the seller MUST list a location and it must be deeded. Just go check ALL the Worldmark listings. Club Access has the same issue.

Sumday Vacations does a decent job and stands behind it sales and listings. Plus, you don't have a horse's anything in this fight as YOU are not even in the market to buy a single resale point.

There are no other windmills on eBAY to try and tilt?
 
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