Speculation About Marriott's New Timeshare Structure [merged]

[IngridN]

I've finally succumbed (sp?). I hope Marriott also provides a FAQs with the announcement letter. My list of questions is getting longer and longer and I suspect it's pretty much the same list as others have.

I'm in the process of purchasing a resale week for use only, not a trader, that's set to close 7/5 so I want the home priority questions answered ASAP. I'd rather lose the deposit than find I will have difficulty making reservations.

Ingrid

 

[Pro]

BTW, If I bought a computer for $1499. I wonder what else I could have used that money for instead ?
any ideas ?

Sounds like a coded message to me.

Joe

 

[SueDonJ]

I've finally succumbed (sp?). I hope Marriott also provides a FAQs with the announcement letter. My list of questions is getting longer and longer and I suspect it's pretty much the same list as others have.

I'm in the process of purchasing a resale week for use only, not a trader, that's set to close 7/5 so I want the home priority questions answered ASAP. I'd rather lose the deposit than find I will have difficulty making reservations.

Ingrid

It's like The Borg, isn't it? "You will be assimilated."

How about if we start a list of questions and then we have something to start with when whatever gets told to us, gets told to us?

1. What is the "initiation fee"? At roll-out will it be the same for developer-direct and external resale purchases? Upon resale of existing weeks whose owners have converted to the points system, will each successive owner be required to pay an "initiation fee" or will the conversion transfer with the sale?

 

[cp73]

I am so over this...

 

[SueDonJ]

Nah, just sounds like Fletch can't bear to buy now that he's not eligible for the employee discount.

 

[Y-ASK]

Wait a minute! If I purchase points from Marriott and they combine all of the different resorts maintenance fees together and split them up amongst the new owners, does that mean I have to pay for that stupid roof down in Aruba?

Y-ASK

 

[SueDonJ]

... that stupid roof down in Aruba ...

BWAHAHAHahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! Oh that's funny, really did make me laugh right out loud. Hahahahahahaha.

(Sorry all, I'm overtired from the stress and late night of Celtics/Lakers. It's impossible to concentrate or not be silly.)

 

[jlf58]

It gets worse. I think it means you are related to Marksue

Wait a minute! If I purchase points from Marriott and they combine all of the different resorts maintenance fees together and split them up amongst the new owners, does that mean I have to pay for that stupid roof down in Aruba?

Y-ASK

 

[DanCali]

The FAIREST way would be to proportion each week in the season between weeks owners and point owners, BUT, Marriott is not requires to do this. Marriott could let points owners start reserving the points weeks at 18 months and leave weeks owners to reserve at 12 months as long as there are adequate weeks let for weeks owners to each reserve in their given season. I CHOOSE to believe that Marriott will not do this!

Ray

There's nothing stopping them except their integrity. Hopefully Marriott will want to keep their owners happy and refering friends and family. I don't see Marriott making this sort of move. It would be pretty bad PR and would generate a LOT of angry owners letting Marriott now how they feel. Current owners are their best source of prospects. You don't really want to bite the hand that feeds you.

I understand the "entitled to reserve a week in your season argument", but if class W of owners doesn't have equal access to all the weeks in the season they bought because class P is treated preferentially then the "season" was misrepresented. I just don't see how one can buy a summer-fall season (which implied you have access to inventory of summer-fall weeks), and then consistently not have access to the summer weeks. Isn't that like selling a fall season under the disguise of a summer-fall season just to charge a higher price? I smell 51 class-actions if Marriott goes that route...

 

[MountainGal]

I'm an owner of MPD and am in the process of purchasing another resale MPD Platinum. I'm typically a glass is half full kind of gal. :whoopie: I'm hopeful that my view of the world continue in that vain. However, I am anxious to see the new program to see what my choices will be for future use.

 

[timeos2]

And in the end, the points you get are equal to the points you buy -The Beatles

All the over the top proclamations of pending doom, cataclysmic price and ownership rights collapse and then poof - everything is hunky dory and the shine is back on Marriott when in fact nothing has yet been officially offered to anyone. Not likely but it still COULD be the thing will never even exist (I don't actually think that).

What a train wreck THIS thread turned out to be. All along this was a relatively common, points based system rumored to be offered as an option to make Marriott some more money and maybe make owners/buyers happier than they were with the old choices. It ended up so overblown that (hopefully) nothing like it can happen again. Who would ever want to waste the time and effort like this again for an ultimately meaningless exercise in generating far too many web pages of babble, rants and hyperbole. Help! I apologize for my helping it on as it simply became way out of hand.

Take all of the advice, comments and proclamations as worth exactly what you paid for them. They aren't worth even that IMO. Hopefully the facts will be on the table within a few days and finally only those will be in play.

 

[RandR]

It's like The Borg, isn't it? "You will be assimilated."

How about if we start a list of questions and then we have something to start with when whatever gets told to us, gets told to us?

1. What is the "initiation fee"? At roll-out will it be the same for developer-direct and external resale purchases? Upon resale of existing weeks whose owners have converted to the points system, will each successive owner be required to pay an "initiation fee" or will the conversion transfer with the sale?

Susan, that's cheating. You put 3 questions in one.

 

[winger]

I will be requesting a meet/greet shortly (within a couple of week) at a Marriott sales office. Let's see if I learn more here (TUG) or there

I know the sales mgr there is currently in Orlando getting 'training' about the upcoming MVCI changes so he was unable to take my call at his office.

 

[winger]

You dirty rat -- I thought you had started a thread that had all the details.
:hysterical:

SAME here. Since it is your day off, Fletch. Start making some phone calls, will you?

 

[GregT]

All,

Nice work -- I've not seen Aruba lately so I believe we just passed them. That's an accomplishment (I think???).

If there is only one inventory (and I'm still not convinced that would be the case), then I would think the system could be manipulated to get better weeks for the points owners.

The only systems I've worked with (Worldmark and Wyndham) you select the property you want and the system shows you what's available by room size in the month you indicate. You can watch the availability decrease (it shows 5+ with a specific check-in date, 2-4 available for a different check-in date, 1 available, or no available). Meaning the inventory is pre-determined.

So, I still think Marriott has to have some way to figure out what's available to an existing deed owner, and what's available to the points owner.

Could they use the existing week date on the deed to show which of the two programs it can be booked under (even though we all though the week date was meaningless for the floating weeks). It's a way to allocate which "pool" has which deeds. Someone's Week 36/Unit 4001 sits in the legacy deed pool until they opt for legacy points for one year, at which time the Week 36/Unit 4001 deed is transferred into the points pool (for the year).

Thoughts? It would be a clean way to avoid manipulation, and makes those dates/weeks actually somewhat relevant.

 

[RandR]

I understand the "entitled to reserve a week in your season argument", but if class W of owners doesn't have equal access to all the weeks in the season they bought because class P is treated preferentially then the "season" was misrepresented. I just don't see how one can buy a summer-fall season (which implied you have access to inventory of summer-fall weeks), and then consistently not have access to the summer weeks. Isn't that like selling a fall season under the disguise of a summer-fall season just to charge a higher price? I smell 51 class-actions if Marriott goes that route...

But they can let everyone have access to the weeks at the same time and therefore the competition for the best weeks might be crazy. The weeks owners (and others) could get shut out of the weeks they want. Right now the weeks owners only compete with like weeks owners in their home resort. Now they might be going up against anyone with enough points.

 

[DanCali]

But they can let everyone have access to the weeks at the same time and therefore the competition for the best weeks might be crazy. The weeks owners (and others) could get shut out of the weeks they want.

There are two separate things being discussed... One is giving everyone access to the weeks at the same time. The other is putting the "good" weeks of a particular season in the P inventory and the rest in the W inventory. My comment was referring to the latter.

CA law distinguishes between a "single site time-share plan," which is the right to use accommodations at a single time-share property and a "multisite time-share plan," which can take several forms. This will be a completely new timeshare plan so I don't see how you can co-mingle inventories (so I think giving everyone access to the same inventory is off the table). So if inventory is separated, I think/hope it is separated in such a way that each checkin day get allocated to a particular system based on the percentage of the owners in that season who converted. Something less may satisfy the "right to reserve a week in the season" argument, but still opens Marriott up to possible litigation (e.g. "the season was misrepresented")

 

[Antny]

Aruba thread

All,

Nice work -- I've not seen Aruba lately so I believe we just passed them. That's an accomplishment (I think???).

This reply will officially pass the Aruba thread.. Sorry, I just had to do it.

 

[SueDonJ]

I will be requesting a meet/greet shortly (within a couple of week) at a Marriott sales office. Let's see if I learn more here (TUG) or there

I know the sales mgr there is currently in Orlando getting 'training' about the upcoming MVCI changes so he was unable to take my call at his office.

You know what I really hope? That upon roll-out there is a dedicated telephone line/website for owners to ask whatever questions they have about how this will impact their particular ownerships. I'm sure that if they do it there will be all sorts of nudges to contact your sales rep if you want to add to your existing portfolio, and I wouldn't begrudge them taking the opportunity to push owners in the direction of further sales, but the sales reps don't exactly have a pristine reputation for uniformly representing the product exactly as it's supposed to be able to be used. (Ugh, terrible sentence structure, sorry.) I hope that they are expecting and preparing a select group of highly-skilled/knowledgeable reps to answer the very detailed questions that this roll-our will produce.

(I've gotta plug my rep again here because she is just so darned good and honest in her job - if SHE is one of those select Chosen Ones then I will be thrilled to death.)

 

[SueDonJ]

This reply will officially pass the Aruba thread.. Sorry, I just had to do it.

I have to shed a tear, that thread is probably responsible for 2/3 of my no-life zillion posts.

 

[SueDonJ]

Susan, that's cheating. You put 3 questions in one.

HEY! I made the rules, I can break 'em. :hysterical: Besides, none of these folks listened to me anyway. Do you SEE any questions submitted in list form? Nope, neither do I.

 

[kfsong]

everyone is waiting here , fletch

 

[Y-ASK]

HEY! I made the rules, I can break 'em. :hysterical: Besides, none of these folks listened to me anyway. Do you SEE any questions submitted in list form? Nope, neither do I.

Should I have added a #2 to mine?

Just read the Aruba thread for the 1st time and now my head hurts...

Y-ASK

 

[EducatedConsumer]

I have bits and pieces but thats it. I didn't try to hard because my old bosses would have a fit if I posted details before the roll out.
I want to get 1000 views today and my goal is accomlished
BTW, If I bought a computer for $1499. I wonder what else I could have used that money for instead ?
any ideas ?

$1499.00 flat rate to upgrade from a legacy week to a points week, huh?Interesting. I'd have to evaluate the benefits of what a points week will get us when the details are released next week.

 

[indyhorizons]

I have bits and pieces but thats it. I didn't try to hard because my old bosses would have a fit if I posted details before the roll out.
I want to get 1000 views today and my goal is accomlished
BTW, If I bought a computer for $1499. I wonder what else I could have used that money for instead ?
any ideas ?

I could not buy anything because I'm too cheap to spend $1499 on either. :rofl: