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Shouldn't epidemiologists revisit the case of Sweden? Hasn't their approach actually worked?

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I have watched this thread with interest. I have family members who live half the year in Sweden (they are there now). They report that while it is not locked down people are following guidelines for social distancing, hand hygiene, and are wearing masks. The swedish seem much more willing to do these things than people in this country and don't seem bothered by this or complain about doing it. I don't think any of us knows the best way to deal with this virus but it is interesting to see what different places are doing and how they are handling the situation.
 
Now Sweden is 21st in terms of deaths per 1 million people, it was 17th when I started this thread. I am surprised that during the testimony for Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions, nobody asked Dr. Fauci, CDC Director Redfield how they explained Sweden was doing better than many.

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Sweden did it right. Tell older people and those at risk to stay home, and everyone else should know there is a risk and wear a mask.

I have immunity, Rick has immunity, we caught the virus early March, March 1st, and we had basically symptoms of minor colds. Those were our symptoms. We stayed home and stayed warm. We didn't know that is what we had until we had the immunity test done. We agree that we lucked out because our symptoms were minor, but we were in the group considered high risk, 65 years old. But I am so healthy compared to how I was last year, and that added to my success in getting through it with just a severe backache where my lungs are. It was so bad it hurt to lean against our leather furniture. That was my worst symptom. Rick had a lot of chest pain, but we weren't coughing a lot, so that was just kind of a weird thing to not be coughing and have lung pain.

If I catch it again, I will make it through without hospitalization, I am sure. I want to get back to my normal life again.
 
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If only the Socialist Swedes had Dr. Anthony Fauci



"Maybe we should have taken some more care of each other,"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53498133
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In the last 2 weeks: 16847 deaths in the US vs only 64 in Sweden. If you exclude the initial numbers from March and April (that had nothing to do with the lockdowns), Sweden has done much better than the US and certainly is doing a lot better now. Why exactly does Sweden need Dr. Fauci? I think Dr. Fauci will have to revisit soon what is happening in Sweden.
 
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Brett, in your article it says that Dr Fauci has been in the government for 52 years! Is that true?
 
Here is another positive article about Sweden’s strategy.

Coronavirus: can Britain learn from the Swedish model?

This week’s most important piece of data for the British economy will be published not in London, but 890 miles away in Stockholm.Sweden rejected lockdown when
www.thetimes.co.uk
 
DannyTS said:
Now Sweden is 21st in terms of deaths per 1 million people, it was 17th when I started this thread. I am surprised that during the testimony for Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions, nobody asked Dr. Fauci, CDC Director Redfield how they explained Sweden was doing better than many.

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I'm not sure how you arrive at the conclusion that "Sweden is doing better than many". I see almost everyone doing better than Sweden.

Out of almost 200 countries on the planet. Sweden is the 5th worst in terms of deaths/million. To me that's not doing "better than many".

If we use your table and do include the individual states, Sweden would be the 20th worst out of 250 jurisdictions. 20th out of 250 is not doing well.

The rest of Europe got their deaths down in June and some of them got things under control in May. Take a look at how they compare to their Nordic neighbors;

Heads up: The scales are different on these charts, but you'll get the idea. The bottom line is that their neighbors had this thing under control in May and early June.

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I've hired a driver, chartering a bus for those who wish to move to Sweden. Are you in?

To keep talking about Sweden (Sheesh already) which is totally 100% irrelevant to me, it reminds me of a famous line from
Gone With the Wind. If memory serves, I believe Rhett Butler said, "Frankly, Danny, I don't give a damn".
 
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jme said:
I've hired a driver, chartering a bus for those who wish to move to Sweden. Are you in?

To keep talking about Sweden (Sheesh already) which is totally 100% irrelevant to me, it reminds me of a famous line from
Gone With the Wind. If memory serves, I believe Rhett Butler said, "Franky, Danny, I don't give a damn".
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One country decided to do the opposite of what every other Western country has done. Your lack of intellectual curiosity is your problem. You do not have to comment if you do not give a damn.
I am not in but, given that they seem to have the virus under control right now, you should consider it. Depending on where you live though, a bus may not be appropriate.
 
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@cman I am not sure you read the comments before, you will have some of the answers to the points you bring up.
1) not all jurisdictions are reliable and can be compared. Just to give few examples, can Iran, Brasil, Afghanistan really be included in any chart and consider their data reliable? Tanzania tested a goat, a papaya and a parrot, and they all came back Covid positive, I think they stopped testing at that point. They only have 0.5 deaths per 1 million people. Do you think it is a good idea to include it in any comparison? Iran reported 309,000 infections, their president announced they had 25 million people infected. Do you think it is a good idea to compare Iran to Sweden or any other Western country?

2) In Sweden most of the deaths occured in March and April, and a lockdown in mid-March like most of the world would have not prevented those deaths because the transmission must have been before March 15th (according to the CDC there is a 4 week lag, and many times a lot longer, between contact to recording a death). The reality is that their peak of deaths per day was April 15th and they went down continuously.

3) their current number of deaths is virtually zero (1-2 per day) so I can say they are doing well. As I said before, in the last 2 weeks: 16847 deaths in the US vs only 64 in Sweden.

4) do not forget that, according to the models (and those that made them and pushed for the lock downs) Sweden was supposed to have 20 times more deaths without a lock down, yet that did not happen and they are a lot better than others that (possibly) infringed into a lot of laws and civil liberties.

5) I am surprised that people are not more interested in why states that locked down and put a lot of measures in place, have a higher number of deaths per 1 million people, in some cases 50% more, 200% more and 300% more than Sweden.

6) If you look at the other Nordic countries, for whatever reason they started from a much lower base in March and April, and those numbers where not influenced by the lock downs which started in mid March.
 
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One country decided to do the opposite of what every other Western country has done. Your lack of curiosity is your problem. You do not have to comment if you do not give a damn.
I am not in but, given that they seem to have the virus under control right now, you should consider it. Depending on where you live though, a bus may not be appropriate.
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My recent post was simply to compare today's new death graph (which I posted) which you "did not see coming" last month, but which I predicted.

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My recent post was simply to compare today's new death graph (which I posted) which you "did not see coming" last month, but which I predicted.

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The number of deaths is half of what it was in April. I do not think the current number of deaths is bad actually given that the number of tests is 8-10 times more than at the beginning of the pandemic, given that the more tests you do the more positives you record and eventually more deaths (whether from Covid or just with Covid), and given that you had a busy 4th of July and protests for 65 days.

Probably if you had today the same number of tests as in March-April, the current number of deaths would be 10 times less than back in the spring.
 
jme said:
I've hired a driver, chartering a bus for those who wish to move to Sweden. Are you in?

To keep talking about Sweden (Sheesh already) which is totally 100% irrelevant to me, it reminds me of a famous line from
Gone With the Wind. If memory serves, I believe Rhett Butler said, "Franky, Danny, I don't give a damn".
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I'm thinking some here will take that ride on the government run socialist healthcare bus
probably love the 70% personal income tax rate and 25% sales tax
or maybe it's the powerful unions
 
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I'm thinking some here will take that ride on the government run socialist healthcare bus
probably love the 70% personal income tax rate and 25% sales tax
or maybe it's the powerful unions
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I live Canada and the social system and the taxation are not that far off from Sweden. If you think you are going to annoy me making those statements you are wrong. I do not see where you found the 75% taxes in Sweden, I see they are 30-55%, more or less the same as in Canada if you are in a high marginal tax break. But if you would like to elaborate why this is very relevant to the discussion about Covid, I am more than happy to listen.

Sweden vs United States: Economy > Tax Facts and Stats

Tax rates, Constant LCU, Corporate rate, Constant LCU per capita, Individual rate and 69 More Interesting Facts and Stats
www.nationmaster.com
 
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