Shouldn't epidemiologists revisit the case of Sweden? Hasn't their approach actually worked?

[Brett]

perhaps the most important thing she said is the pandemic is not over.

the coronavirus doesn't stop for socialist countries

 

[cman]

Yes Al Jazeera is my first stop for news as well. Did you actually listen to the interview or just cut and paste the headline?

Sweden’s unorthodox response to COVID-19: What went wrong?

Health Minister Lena Hallengren discusses Sweden’s coronavirus death toll, the worst by far in Scandinavia.

www.aljazeera.com

She did a good job of explaining their "intentions". Unfortunately, there are no "do overs" when it comes to pandemics. It's hard for a public health official to admit that their decisions caused unnecessary deaths, even in the face of obvious data. I don't envy them, I'd never want to be in that position. But the data is pretty clear. Sweden messed up;

 

[davidvel]

the coronavirus doesn't stop for socialist countries

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Your posts are very strange, not sure what you are trying to accomplish. Posting screen grabs from random places, without reference or underlying links is very troll-y.

 

[VegasBella]

I keep seeing this thread. I am so surprised it has been able to continue without getting too political and getting shut down.
Anyway, Sweden has a higher per capita death rate than either US or Brazil. They did a terrible job and let a bunch of people die needlessly.

 

[DannyTS]

I keep seeing this thread. I am so surprised it has been able to continue without getting too political and getting shut down.
Anyway, Sweden has a higher per capita death rate than either US or Brazil. They did a terrible job and let a bunch of people die needlessly.

I am not sure people are aware, the projections are that US and Brazil will exceed the death rate per capita of Sweden in few short weeks.

 

[CPNY]

I am not sure people are aware, the projections are that US and Brazil will exceed the death rate per capita of Sweden in few short weeks.

How can anyone really compare Sweden to The US? The US is 2084% larger in land mass and has 320M more people. I can see comparing it to downstate NY (NYC/LI) in which case NYC did much worse with tighter restrictions. Comparing the whole of Sweden to the whole of the US is like comparing pine nuts to car tires.

 

[grupp]

Opinion article comparing Italy and Sweden

Good Covid-19 News From Italy...and Sweden

Good Covid-19 News From Italy...and Sweden

www.bloombergquint.com

 

[Brett]

How can anyone really compare Sweden to The US? The US is 2084% larger in land mass and has 320M more people. I can see comparing it to downstate NY (NYC/LI) in which case NYC did much worse with tighter restrictions. Comparing the whole of Sweden to the whole of the US is like comparing pine nuts to car tires.

not readily comparable --- and Sweden is a socialist social welfare state

 

[CPNY]

not readily comparable --- and Sweden is a socialist social welfare state

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Yeah, nyc did a terrible job. As did MA, NJ and CT.

 

[DannyTS]

Your posts are very strange, not sure what you are trying to accomplish. Posting screen grabs from random places, without reference or underlying links is very troll-y.

Maybe the lounge should also be for members only.

 

[Brett]

Yeah, nyc did a terrible job. As did MA, NJ and CT.

and Florida, Calf, Texas, ... and England but Sweden ....

 

[DannyTS]

I keep seeing this thread. I am so surprised it has been able to continue without getting too political and getting shut down.
Anyway, Sweden has a higher per capita death rate than either US or Brazil. They did a terrible job and let a bunch of people die needlessly.

Somebody has been trying really hard to inject politics into this thread, probably hoping it would be shut down but he did not succeed so far.

 

[Brett]

Somebody has been trying really hard to inject politics into this thread, probably hoping it would be shut down but he did not succeed so far.

We all hope threads won't be shut down - we are all in this pandemic together
(socialist social welfare and non-socialist states)

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sweden-covid-coronavirus-deaths-make-sweden-example-of-how-not-to-deal-with-covid-19/

 

[DannyTS]

the projections are showing that starting September 9th the US will have more deaths per 100,000 people than Sweden

 

[VegasBella]

Yes, I can see how the US might do the worst job in all the world. I think it's a really difficult problem to solve in a nation that's so large and diverse with a culture so steeped in personal freedom without any recent history of a seriously deadly epidemic or pandemic. Nations that are less diverse, smaller and isolated (no surprise New Zealand can handle this well) and/or have a recent memory of an epidemic (like SARS) can probably manage this better. Add in all our healthcare and political issues and yeah, USA is not gonna do very well. Hopefully, our scientists, philanthropists, and pharma industry will help even things out and keep the US from having a total health and economic melt-down.

 

[DannyTS]

Yes, I can see how the US might do the worst job in all the world. I think it's a really difficult problem to solve in a nation that's so large and diverse with a culture so steeped in personal freedom without any recent history of a seriously deadly epidemic or pandemic. Nations that are less diverse, smaller and isolated (no surprise New Zealand can handle this well) and/or have a recent memory of an epidemic (like SARS) can probably manage this better. Add in all our healthcare and political issues and yeah, USA is not gonna do very well. Hopefully, our scientists, philanthropists, and pharma industry will help even things out and keep the US from having a total health and economic melt-down.

The point of the thread is not that a country is doing slightly better or worse but rather that Sweden was supposed to be 20 times worse than the rest of the world, but it did not happen, despite not imposing a lockdown, keeping the schools open etc. Something does not make sense.

 

[cman]

The point of the thread is not that a country is doing slightly better or worse but rather that Sweden was supposed to be 20 times worse than the rest of the world, but it did not happen, despite not imposing a lockdown, keeping the schools open etc. Something does not make sense.

Sweden is one of the worst countries in the world as far as deaths/million population. Out of 197 countries on the planet, Sweden comes in at about the fifth worst. You know this, so what's up with your fixation with Sweden. They're basically the worst performing country on the planet. Why should anyone follow their example?

 

[DannyTS]

Have you checked Burkina Fasso in person and you have reached the conclusion that their numbers are solid? Should we keep it on the list or just compare with the rest of the 196 countries? You have a fixation on comparing 197 countries. Every time I look at the list, I do not trust more than 25-30 in terms of their reporting. You did not seem to progress from the previous comments in this thread. For whatever reason, Sweden started with a lot more cases than many other countries. Despite that and despite the lack of a lockdown, Sweden reached a peak of deaths on April 15th and it has been better and better ever since. A lockdown mid-March would have not helped concerning the deaths, most of the damage had been done since there is a lag of at least 4 weeks between contact and a reported death. You do not want to acknowledge that.

And where did you get the idea that it was the 5th worst? It is not true, probably you are looking at old articles, you should just refer to this thread for better and more updated information.

hospital in Burkina Faso

 

[TravelTime]

Based on cases, USA is the 9th worst. Sweden is the 22nd worst. Singapore is worse than Sweden based on cases.

Based on deaths, USA is 10th worst and Sweden is 8th worst.

Since the majority of Sweden’s deaths were in nursing homes, I expect it will eventually fall in the death ranking, just like in the case ranking.

Source: Worldometer

 

[TravelAmore]

Based on cases, USA is the 9th worst. Sweden is the 22nd worst. Singapore is worse than Sweden based on cases.

Based on deaths, USA is 10th worst and Sweden is 8th worst.

Since the majority of Sweden’s deaths were in nursing homes, I expect it will eventually fall in the death ranking, just like in the case ranking.

Source: Worldometer

From NY Times: ttps://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html?referringSource=articleShare

From the British Medical Journal: https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m2376

In short, Sweden experienced more cases and death than the surrounding Scandinavian countries, and indeed most of Europe. And, early indicators show their economy has not flourished, fairing just slightly better in some industries than neighboring countries that instituted lock-down. All-in-all, not a panacea when viewed in the context of surrounding countries.

There are a few role model countries that were able to calm things down relatively quickly and have not been afraid of shutting things down again when cases spike.


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[DannyTS]

From NY Times: ttps://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html?referringSource=articleShare

From the British Medical Journal: https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m2376

In short, Sweden experienced more cases and death than the surrounding Scandinavian countries, and indeed most of Europe. And, early indicators show their economy has not flourished, fairing just slightly better in some industries than neighboring countries that instituted lock-down. All-in-all, not a panacea when viewed in the context of surrounding countries.

There are a few role model countries that were able to calm things down relatively quickly and have not been afraid of shutting things down again when cases spike.


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Old articles. The unemployment increased by 2% in Sweden vs 12% in NY for example, the GDP contracted 8% Vs 31% in the US in Q2, Sweden fared quite a lot better economically than others without borrowing trillions of dollars. NYT was wrong at the time and never revisited the issue. The other points have been discussed extensively here, you can refer to earlier comments. Old articles do not count because things looked temporarily better for those that shut down but the inevitable happened when they opened and they did have to open sooner rather or later; this is why US is catching up with Sweden pretty fast (and will exceed the number of deaths per capita in about 4 weeks)

 

[Brett]

Based on cases, USA is the 9th worst. Sweden is the 22nd worst. Singapore is worse than Sweden based on cases.

Based on deaths, USA is 10th worst and Sweden is 8th worst.

Since the majority of Sweden’s deaths were in nursing homes, I expect it will eventually fall in the death ranking, just like in the case ranking.

Source: Worldometer

I suppose we should follow the CDC guidelines on not traveling to socialist social welfare state of Sweden
(except a certain Canadian)

 

[DannyTS]

I suppose we should follow the CDC guidelines on not traveling to socialist social welfare state of Sweden
(except a certain Canadian)

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I beg to differ, United States registered 845,000 new infected people in the last two weeks, Sweden 3,393 so US has 8 times more infected people per capita.

 

[Brett]

https://www.thelocal.se/20200806/it...renewed-rise-in-infections-among-young-adults

 

[DannyTS]

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https://www.thelocal.se/20200806/it...renewed-rise-in-infections-among-young-adults
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refer to my previous comment, 8 times less than in the US