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RCI Suspended Eagle Village Tamiment

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Just fyi - I am no extinct this issue so this is just anecdotal. I was on the board for my community a few years ago (2008 financial crisis damage) when delinquency rates on mandatory HOA and community club fees were high. We looked into reporting delinquent owners to a credit agency and found that they were not very interested in credit information from a 1000 home community and country club - even if the amount totaled many 10s of thousands of dollars in fees and penalties from years of non-payment. There was also a substantial fee involved to be allowed to report. No guarantees, but if you only owe MFs, to EV, being reported to a credit agency isn’t a sure thing.
I am just wondering because some owners are saying they are getting collection calls. Can a collection agency report you to a credit agency? I guess I was assuming if the collection agency got your account, if you didn't pay, they would report you....very interesting what you had stated.
 

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I saw on a previous quote that eagle village is renting out units monthly as like an apartment or a low income housing if that's the case wouldn't that go against the property owners and all those properties why should a property owner have to pay maintenance fees if they're using it obviously for use that it was not intended for.
Very interesting is this is actually happening!
 

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These are all very good questions. I can check with an attorney and see if they would be interested in possibly taking on this case. I would need to know how many people are interested in proceedings with an attorney and if the people who are interested would be willing to help with attorney fees.
We deserve some answers. This has been going on too long.
Definitely let me know what an attorney says. I'd be interested in entertaining this route if they feel they can help us.
 

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I am just wondering because some owners are saying they are getting collection calls. Can a collection agency report you to a credit agency? I guess I was assuming if the collection agency got your account, if you didn't pay, they would report you....very interesting what you had stated.
I'm really appreciating owner updates on what happens when they choose the no MF payment option. I hope their credit doesn't get negatively affected, because it would seem really unfair and unfounded.
 

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I'm really appreciating owner updates on what happens when they choose the no MF payment option. I hope their credit doesn't get negatively affected, because it would seem really unfair and unfounded.
Yes, we are concerned about it hitting a credit report with no fault of our own.
 

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Since each party has to serve its own objective, ours being to optimize our position as owners reducing our potential losses and maximizing potential gains, it's safe to say that any third party with an interest in purchasing the property for any kind of new development could benefit from owners defaulting and giving up their property for nothing. Depending on the bylaws, I'm not sure if owners automatically give up ownership upon one or more maintenance fee defaults.

If a property sale was made, it would seem to be be in the interest of a buyer to maximize owner defaults and allow forcing owners hands to default using the legal means of a collection agency. It would be nice if a third party could help revitalize the property while current owners could benefit, but it may not serve a third party's objective to have nearly half the property owned with parties interested in getting the highest value for the sale.

It may not serve our objective to publicly reference any specific company or person.
John placed a clipboard on the table during the owner's meeting. He asked anyone interested in "selling" their timeshare to him to place their contact info on the list. We placed our info on the list, but we have not heard from him. Apparently, the plan is to get 5 buildings into shape to meet RCI's standards to get back into good standing. I can't really see how this will help. Although it EV is back into RCI, then owners will pay dues, and John will have less to invest into the buildings to have them as possible units for guest to stay from his concerts or wedding venue.
 

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John placed a clipboard on the table during the owner's meeting. He asked anyone interested in "selling" their timeshare to him to place their contact info on the list. We placed our info on the list, but we have not heard from him. Apparently, the plan is to get 5 buildings into shape to meet RCI's standards to get back into good standing. I can't really see how this will help. Although it EV is back into RCI, then owners will pay dues, and John will have less to invest into the buildings to have them as possible units for guest to stay from his concerts or wedding venue.
It appears John Oakes wants to provide "Places to Stay" for people attending his events. Check out Poconos Park's website, which has been greatly expanded. It would make sense that he is interested in EV. He can offer weeks for rent. It sounds like he might be only interested in buying certain weeks, in perhaps certain buildings? If I were him, I'd be looking for the buildings that have the least ownership to invest in so that I could buy the remaining weeks and have the whole building. If owners pay dues, he doesn't have access to those weeks to rent--right? Or maybe he would only buy prime summer weeks and leave the off season for owner weeks? Question: Did he mention how much he would buy your week for, or did you offer it for free? What week do you have? I would think he would want a whole building. But then, if he owned a building, RCI would no longer be involved in that building. Also, how much in MFs would he now owe EV? Would they give him a break to compensate for the renovations? I don't understand how 5 buildings fixed up would help other owners in other buildings with RCI. Sooo many questions. But, I'm pretty sure when this is all ironed out, we will have a special assessment.
 

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It appears John Oakes wants to provide "Places to Stay" for people attending his events. Check out Poconos Park's website, which has been greatly expanded. It would make sense that he is interested in EV. He can offer weeks for rent. It sounds like he might be only interested in buying certain weeks, in perhaps certain buildings? If I were him, I'd be looking for the buildings that have the least ownership to invest in so that I could buy the remaining weeks and have the whole building. If owners pay dues, he doesn't have access to those weeks to rent--right? Or maybe he would only buy prime summer weeks and leave the off season for owner weeks? Question: Did he mention how much he would buy your week for, or did you offer it for free? What week do you have? I would think he would want a whole building. But then, if he owned a building, RCI would no longer be involved in that building. Also, how much in MFs would he now owe EV? Would they give him a break to compensate for the renovations? I don't understand how 5 buildings fixed up would help other owners in other buildings with RCI. Sooo many questions. But, I'm pretty sure when this is all ironed out, we will have a special assessment.
We converted our weeks to points in RCI. So I am infuriated that our points for 2023 were removed from RCI (after paying MF) and we would not be able to reserve week at EV until 2025 (not that we would ever want to stay there as I have a compromised immune system) even if we did pay MF for 2024. So we are not getting any service/product for 2023 nor 2024 (if we paid). I feel this is good enough to dispute the collection process. Anyway, John Oakes has to FIND the deeds. He has been buying up weeks, but it has been difficult finding the deeds as they were not properly recorded. So even if he were to buy our weeks, we would have to pay him something to cover the process of the deed search/transfer, etc. I doubt that they are charging him MFs as he is planning to invest a huge sum of money to renovate units. Anyway, that is the plan that he presented at the meeting.
 

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We converted our weeks to points in RCI. So I am infuriated that our points for 2023 were removed from RCI (after paying MF) and we would not be able to reserve week at EV until 2025 (not that we would ever want to stay there as I have a compromised immune system) even if we did pay MF for 2024. So we are not getting any service/product for 2023 nor 2024 (if we paid). I feel this is good enough to dispute the collection process. Anyway, John Oakes has to FIND the deeds. He has been buying up weeks, but it has been difficult finding the deeds as they were not properly recorded. So even if he were to buy our weeks, we would have to pay him something to cover the process of the deed search/transfer, etc. I doubt that they are charging him MFs as he is planning to invest a huge sum of money to renovate units. Anyway, that is the plan that he presented at the meeting.
We converted to points also. Such an infuriating mess. I called the EV office and left messages many times after receiving maintenance fees this year, but never received a call back. Didn’t pay fee, but then received letter from Blackwell Recover, so paid. If EV can’t even locate deeds how can we be on the hook for anything? Does anyone have an address for John Oakes, we certainly would offer up our timeshare week. Also, interested in any legal action a group of owners would like to pursue.
Just want to be finished with this place.
 

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We converted our weeks to points in RCI. So I am infuriated that our points for 2023 were removed from RCI (after paying MF) and we would not be able to reserve week at EV until 2025 (not that we would ever want to stay there as I have a compromised immune system) even if we did pay MF for 2024. So we are not getting any service/product for 2023 nor 2024 (if we paid). I feel this is good enough to dispute the collection process. Anyway, John Oakes has to FIND the deeds. He has been buying up weeks, but it has been difficult finding the deeds as they were not properly recorded. So even if he were to buy our weeks, we would have to pay him something to cover the process of the deed search/transfer, etc. I doubt that they are charging him MFs as he is planning to invest a huge sum of money to renovate units. Anyway, that is the plan that he presented at the meeting.
Thank you for providing your perspective. My points were removed for 2023. From what I understand, the suspension occurred after January of 2024. Therefore, I called RCI and reminded them that the suspension occurred at the beginning of 2024 which should have no bearing on the points I paid for in 2023. My 2023 points were reinstated. Try giving them a call to see if you can recover your 2023 points.
 
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Has anyone heard of Resale Closing, LLC? Apparently they have done hundreds of deed backs to EV starting around 2019.
 

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Are they the one out of Penargle or Stroudsburg PA if they are the same the man I talked to said EV will take people to court I felt this was a standard line and he was a snake oil salesman
 

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Yes, same address. This company is listed on hundreds of deed records going back to EV. Here's an example of one among many.
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Yes, same address. This company is listed on hundreds of deed records going back to EV. Here's an example of one among many. View attachment 91653
Resale Closings is a common timeshare closing company. They may be using them to do the deed recordings through Simplifile. Simplifile is one of only a handful of companies that can electronically file deeds with the counties.
 

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Yes, we are concerned about it hitting a credit report with no fault of our own.
My sister in law works in the bank in financing and she said, if it does put a ding on your credit score, and you are looking to take for example a car loan out, just send a letter to the bank explaining what is happening or in this case, not happening, and if all your other loans and bills have been paid on time, the bank will take this into consideration, and most likely will still give you the loan.

As far as the collection agency calling you, you can tell them to quit calling you, (send a letter so its in writing). They have to quit calling you and they cannot call family members or your work. If they do, its a violation of The Federal Trade Commission. Now, obviously, your debt does not go away, but they have to quit calling you
 

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Here are the By Laws. I will work on the Declarations later.
I only got to Section 2, and I think they already violated that section because I never received a letter from the secretary advising when the meeting was.
I can't because we have a lawyer, but can someone do a RIGHT TO KNOW asking for
a copy of that meetings minutes? I can download a copy of a Right To Know form. They have 30 days to answer and if they do not answer, we can send a complaint to the Office of Open Records and they will take it from there.
 
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