Public Service Announcement—Palisades Fire

[HitchHiker71]

My brother, who lives in Pasadena and still has a house, was scheduled to get a new roof this past week. Now he REALLY needs it. They have minimal fire damage and massive wind damage. So they really need a roof now. He couldn't imagine now when he'd get it and planned on tarping his house (if it ever rains in CA again). And... they came this week and are putting his new roof on. A feel good story, IMO, they are not at all taking advantage of the situation.

Logically it makes perfect sense to prioritize lower claim amounts for repairs that will offset further claims with much higher claim amounts, such as replacing a roof, for properties that survived the fires.

Claims for replacing an entire home that must be rebuilt from the ground up aren’t going to be prioritized over repairable properties that survived the fires. I’d surmise those who have lost their homes might not agree - but from a risk management standpoint paying claims for damages is a lot less expensive and timely remediation of these types of claims will offset future claims for much higher amounts if these types of claims are delayed now. Not replacing a roof with heavy wind damage is only going to result in more claims for more damages over time.


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[WaikikiFirst]

Steve and his son saved our family home. Heroes

same thing happened in that Oakland Hills fire 30+yrs ago. I have been in that neighborhood. Some areas are 75% 2500 - 3300 sqft homes all built 30 yrs ago, & 25% homes not much more than half that size, all much older. There are some older ones all by themselves, which just didn't happen to burn due to distances between the homes. And there are examples of 4 or 5 olders homes in a tight bunch, with stories of the 1 or 2 guys who got out the hoses and stood on roofs.

It took many yrs for the new-builds to get finished. First off, they all hire an architect and there are only a limited # of architect hrs to go around. Then local construction labor becomes a problem.

 

[WaikikiFirst]

as I was saying ...

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/california-is-years-behind-in-implementing-a-law-20039865.php

and some people are starting to catch on ...
but, I know, it is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO complicated ...

 

[WaikikiFirst]

makes perfect sense to prioritize lower claim amounts for repairs

of course it does. replacing an entire home that must be rebuilt from the ground up will take far longer than prob anyone here would guess. At this point, there is not much urgency to give them more than it takes to hire an architect, unless they are selling their land and moving elsewhere. That and paying for their rent, and other EXPENSES elsewhere.

I'm sure the "corporate greed" people would be outraged, but if people want to move back in years more quickly, they should organize, and contract with a large homebuilder, like Toll Bros. to come in and build 100 homes at a time. Otherwise, everybody line up to hire an architect, then spend forever debating the details, then line up to get some local construction people to bid on the onsie job.
Divide the # of homes totally lost in PP by 2. Make that "N". Everybody guess the date on which the Nth family will move back into their new home in PP.
Do the same for Malibu, etc.

 

[Snazzylass]

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This is Randy, who was played by Ryan Reynolds in the movie Woman in Gold.

Oh! okay, now I know who he is. I loved that movie, that story.

 

[Ken555]

I was in the Palisades yesterday. A few random pics from our community.

LA County building inspectors posting a red tag on this home.

This VW survived the fire.

Many cars did not.

Melted electrical meter.

I saw fire crews from Utah, Arizona, Nevada, and California. The Arizona crew told me they were staying for at least another week, and possibly longer.

I also saw large numbers of utility crews working to re-establish essential services, including at least one new metal power pole being installed on Pacific Coast Highway next to burned wood poles.

Police and National Guard were everywhere.

 

[emeryjre]

Let us Pray the next round of winds do not cause damage to additional areas
Southern California is not getting any help from the weather
This is supposed to be the rainy season
Not the time of the year for high winds and bone-dry vegetation

 

[am1]

Let us Pray the next round of winds do not cause damage to additional areas
Southern California is not getting any help from the weather
This is supposed to be the rainy season
Not the time of the year for high winds and bone-dry vegetation

Maybe long term changes are needed. Not sure if building between the PCH and the ocean is a good idea. I am no expert but if it rains now there would be lots of mudslides.

 

[emeryjre]

Maybe long term changes are needed. Not sure if building between the PCH and the ocean is a good idea. I am no expert but if it rains now there would be lots of mudslides.

The owners will get to decide for themselves
Apparently, they will not be subject to review by the coastal commission or local zoning regulations
If they had a place on the lot
They will be allowed to rebuild
That is how I understand it
The final arbiter will be the current landowner

 

[clifffaith]

Maybe long term changes are needed. Not sure if building between the PCH and the ocean is a good idea. I am no expert but if it rains now there would be lots of mudslides.

I have a vivid picture in my mind of mud roaring down the hill, crossing PCH, and barreling right through someone’s house, and roaring across their deck into the sand and ocean. Don’t know how long ago that was on the news, at least 20 years ago I think.

 

[Ken555]

I have a vivid picture in my mind of mud roaring down the hill, crossing PCH, and barreling right through someone’s house, and roaring across their deck into the sand and ocean. Don’t know how long ago that was on the news, at least 20 years ago I think.

That happened just a few years ago.

 

[Ken555]

Maybe long term changes are needed. Not sure if building between the PCH and the ocean is a good idea. I am no expert but if it rains now there would be lots of mudslides.

Our community has already purchased 3,000 sandbags, and I wouldn't be surprised if we get more.

 

[Ken555]

Maybe long term changes are needed. Not sure if building between the PCH and the ocean is a good idea. I am no expert but if it rains now there would be lots of mudslides.

This is at the top of our hill. There will absolutely be mud when/if we ever get rain again.

 

[WaikikiFirst]

vivid picture in my mind of mud roaring down the hill, crossing PCH

Yes. And 7 yrs + 2 wks ago were the Santa Barbara (Montecito) mudslides, 1 month (iirc) after the "Thomas Fire". 23 deaths. 100 homes destroyed. A huge boulder left right in the middle of Rt 1 at Montecito. I don't remember if the slide went west of Rt 1.

We have friends in that area. About 6 months or so after it happened, we drove the winding roads that criss-cross the main slide zone. The size and number of boulders strewn all over the hill were amazing. And ruins of homes with boulders in the yards. We also hiked the trail that abuts the San Ysidro Ranch resort, most of which was destroyed. It was the kind of destruction you don't forget. I assume they rebuilt that but I don't know.

 

[Ken555]

A few pics from yesterday in the Palisades. The last pic is from an animal trap put in by a local non-profit to help animals and shows the ash in the water over just a day or two (which we tossed).