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Public Service Announcement—Palisades Fire

My brother, who lives in Pasadena and still has a house, was scheduled to get a new roof this past week. Now he REALLY needs it. They have minimal fire damage and massive wind damage. So they really need a roof now. He couldn't imagine now when he'd get it and planned on tarping his house (if it ever rains in CA again). And... they came this week and are putting his new roof on. A feel good story, IMO, they are not at all taking advantage of the situation.

Logically it makes perfect sense to prioritize lower claim amounts for repairs that will offset further claims with much higher claim amounts, such as replacing a roof, for properties that survived the fires.

Claims for replacing an entire home that must be rebuilt from the ground up aren’t going to be prioritized over repairable properties that survived the fires. I’d surmise those who have lost their homes might not agree - but from a risk management standpoint paying claims for damages is a lot less expensive and timely remediation of these types of claims will offset future claims for much higher amounts if these types of claims are delayed now. Not replacing a roof with heavy wind damage is only going to result in more claims for more damages over time.


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Steve and his son saved our family home. Heroes
same thing happened in that Oakland Hills fire 30+yrs ago. I have been in that neighborhood. Some areas are 75% 2500 - 3300 sqft homes all built 30 yrs ago, & 25% homes not much more than half that size, all much older. There are some older ones all by themselves, which just didn't happen to burn due to distances between the homes. And there are examples of 4 or 5 olders homes in a tight bunch, with stories of the 1 or 2 guys who got out the hoses and stood on roofs.

It took many yrs for the new-builds to get finished. First off, they all hire an architect and there are only a limited # of architect hrs to go around. Then local construction labor becomes a problem.
 
makes perfect sense to prioritize lower claim amounts for repairs
of course it does. replacing an entire home that must be rebuilt from the ground up will take far longer than prob anyone here would guess. At this point, there is not much urgency to give them more than it takes to hire an architect, unless they are selling their land and moving elsewhere. That and paying for their rent, and other EXPENSES elsewhere.

I'm sure the "corporate greed" people would be outraged, but if people want to move back in years more quickly, they should organize, and contract with a large homebuilder, like Toll Bros. to come in and build 100 homes at a time. Otherwise, everybody line up to hire an architect, then spend forever debating the details, then line up to get some local construction people to bid on the onsie job.
Divide the # of homes totally lost in PP by 2. Make that "N". Everybody guess the date on which the Nth family will move back into their new home in PP.
Do the same for Malibu, etc.
 
I was in the Palisades yesterday. A few random pics from our community.

LA County building inspectors posting a red tag on this home.

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This VW survived the fire.

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Many cars did not.

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Melted electrical meter.

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I saw fire crews from Utah, Arizona, Nevada, and California. The Arizona crew told me they were staying for at least another week, and possibly longer.

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I also saw large numbers of utility crews working to re-establish essential services, including at least one new metal power pole being installed on Pacific Coast Highway next to burned wood poles.

Police and National Guard were everywhere.
 
Let us Pray the next round of winds do not cause damage to additional areas
Southern California is not getting any help from the weather
This is supposed to be the rainy season
Not the time of the year for high winds and bone-dry vegetation
 
Let us Pray the next round of winds do not cause damage to additional areas
Southern California is not getting any help from the weather
This is supposed to be the rainy season
Not the time of the year for high winds and bone-dry vegetation

Maybe long term changes are needed. Not sure if building between the PCH and the ocean is a good idea. I am no expert but if it rains now there would be lots of mudslides.
 
Maybe long term changes are needed. Not sure if building between the PCH and the ocean is a good idea. I am no expert but if it rains now there would be lots of mudslides.
The owners will get to decide for themselves
Apparently, they will not be subject to review by the coastal commission or local zoning regulations
If they had a place on the lot
They will be allowed to rebuild
That is how I understand it
The final arbiter will be the current landowner
 
Maybe long term changes are needed. Not sure if building between the PCH and the ocean is a good idea. I am no expert but if it rains now there would be lots of mudslides.
I have a vivid picture in my mind of mud roaring down the hill, crossing PCH, and barreling right through someone’s house, and roaring across their deck into the sand and ocean. Don’t know how long ago that was on the news, at least 20 years ago I think.
 
I have a vivid picture in my mind of mud roaring down the hill, crossing PCH, and barreling right through someone’s house, and roaring across their deck into the sand and ocean. Don’t know how long ago that was on the news, at least 20 years ago I think.

That happened just a few years ago.
 
Maybe long term changes are needed. Not sure if building between the PCH and the ocean is a good idea. I am no expert but if it rains now there would be lots of mudslides.

Our community has already purchased 3,000 sandbags, and I wouldn't be surprised if we get more.
 
Maybe long term changes are needed. Not sure if building between the PCH and the ocean is a good idea. I am no expert but if it rains now there would be lots of mudslides.

This is at the top of our hill. There will absolutely be mud when/if we ever get rain again.

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vivid picture in my mind of mud roaring down the hill, crossing PCH
Yes. And 7 yrs + 2 wks ago were the Santa Barbara (Montecito) mudslides, 1 month (iirc) after the "Thomas Fire". 23 deaths. 100 homes destroyed. A huge boulder left right in the middle of Rt 1 at Montecito. I don't remember if the slide went west of Rt 1.

We have friends in that area. About 6 months or so after it happened, we drove the winding roads that criss-cross the main slide zone. The size and number of boulders strewn all over the hill were amazing. And ruins of homes with boulders in the yards. We also hiked the trail that abuts the San Ysidro Ranch resort, most of which was destroyed. It was the kind of destruction you don't forget. I assume they rebuilt that but I don't know.
 
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In Altadena, the first four lot sales have closed at an average of $69 a square foot, well above the $22 average from 2023 to 2024
Context seems critical here. This land is probably flat and already developed (utilities, sidewalks, driveways, etc etc etc)
In Altadena, empty land sold in 2023-24 was almost certainly
A) undeveloped, requiring the added expense to get it developed to point of putting a house on it and hooking up to utilities
B) up in the hills, not on a nice flat part of town. This makes everything about developing and building more expensive.
Somebody in the area want to comment whether there was empty flat land being sold to build Homes in Altadena over the last few yrs.

around here, which I'll bet has a very similar topology and residential density to Altadena, the only lots still being sold to build a home in the last few yrs are totally undeveloped and strikingly steep. They aren't on the corner of Main & 1st.
 
It’s been a year. There are plans for many events today in the Palisades, so expect to see a lot of media coverage.

The struggle to return is a constant battle. From my own experience, I have spent over 1,000 hours navigating the complex and deliberately confusing insurance process, assisting neighbors and friends, and working to find solutions to the difficult and distressing personal issues faced by those directly impacted. This has been the hardest year of my life.

For my family, I’m pleased to say we were finally assigned an insurance adjuster capable of saying something other than “no.” He is our fifth adjuster. I know others who are on their seventh or eighth—let’s just disregard the California insurance code that limits the number of adjusters a company may assign to the same claim.

It’s been a year, and only in the last few days have we received post-remediation environmental testing results indicating it is safe to return to the house. Even so, it’s not completely clean and we may perform one more test. We have done four separate environmental tests to date, which have cost approximately $35,000 (paid by insurance, though many others are still struggling to obtain approval for testing).

As a simple example of the struggles impacted standing homes face: our previous environmental test showed two areas of the home that needed a second round of cleaning. The industrial hygienist who wrote the report specified a particular cleaning regimen for the remediation firm to follow. Cleaning those two areas cost approximately $79,000. The remediation company took about 3.5 days with roughly four employees to perform this work. You do the math. While I’m glad insurance paid without question and the subsequent test results were good, it illustrates the profit margins and costs involved with this type of work during a disaster. Many have illegally profited from those suffering. Total remediation cost for the home—just the cleaning, not any repairs—is now approximately $250,000 (I still need to add it all up).

We have been advised to discard all soft goods. Insurance has approved replacement of all electronics. We removed all carpet. These are just a few examples. And we are not yet done with identifying items that need replacement, and are currently waiting on our insurance to approve…and we can't start the repair inside the house until all of these items are approved and paid.

I have friends who lost their homes who have said that while losing everything was extremely traumatic and distressing, they believe having a standing home with smoke damage is worse. When you lose your home to fire, you grieve, catalog your contents, review your insurance policy, perhaps have some arguments with your carrier, decide whether to hire a public adjuster, receive funds to rebuild, and hope you have enough money. With smoke damage, it’s up to the homeowner to prove something is unhealthy or damaged while the insurance brings in their experts to claim everything is fine.

Our first adjuster examined the home with me and, while at the house, said the ~$80,000 they were offering was “a lot of money” and that she had other clients who were taking that amount and cleaning themselves. This was before any environmental testing was performed or any objective third-party review of the damages. Deplorable. The first environmental test showed our home had toxic metals and harmful chemicals, yet the insurance didn’t want to believe it, so they hired another firm to test—which had similar results. Only after those test results did the insurance begin to realize we weren’t going to walk away and accept their absurd offer.

Your insurance is not your friend, regardless of their marketing.


If you're interested in more, see the links below for community survey results publicly released yesterday.


 
I can't even imagine :(

My next door neighbor is finally finished after six months of having her basement refinished after she had some sewer back up/basement had some heavy damage and then they found some asbestos on floor tiles I believe.

She went through two or three adjusters, a ton of phone calls and a lot of stress. The insurance company is definitely not our friend/anything to save them money of course. I think they were waiting for her to give in and pay difference on amounts initially approved.

Yours is a whole different level. Hang in there.
 
It’s been a year. There are plans for many events today in the Palisades, so expect to see a lot of media coverage.

The struggle to return is a constant battle. From my own experience, I have spent over 1,000 hours navigating the complex and deliberately confusing insurance process, assisting neighbors and friends, and working to find solutions to the difficult and distressing personal issues faced by those directly impacted. This has been the hardest year of my life.

For my family, I’m pleased to say we were finally assigned an insurance adjuster capable of saying something other than “no.” He is our fifth adjuster. I know others who are on their seventh or eighth—let’s just disregard the California insurance code that limits the number of adjusters a company may assign to the same claim.

It’s been a year, and only in the last few days have we received post-remediation environmental testing results indicating it is safe to return to the house. Even so, it’s not completely clean and we may perform one more test. We have done four separate environmental tests to date, which have cost approximately $35,000 (paid by insurance, though many others are still struggling to obtain approval for testing).

As a simple example of the struggles impacted standing homes face: our previous environmental test showed two areas of the home that needed a second round of cleaning. The industrial hygienist who wrote the report specified a particular cleaning regimen for the remediation firm to follow. Cleaning those two areas cost approximately $79,000. The remediation company took about 3.5 days with roughly four employees to perform this work. You do the math. While I’m glad insurance paid without question and the subsequent test results were good, it illustrates the profit margins and costs involved with this type of work during a disaster. Many have illegally profited from those suffering. Total remediation cost for the home—just the cleaning, not any repairs—is now approximately $250,000 (I still need to add it all up).

We have been advised to discard all soft goods. Insurance has approved replacement of all electronics. We removed all carpet. These are just a few examples. And we are not yet done with identifying items that need replacement, and are currently waiting on our insurance to approve…and we can't start the repair inside the house until all of these items are approved and paid.

I have friends who lost their homes who have said that while losing everything was extremely traumatic and distressing, they believe having a standing home with smoke damage is worse. When you lose your home to fire, you grieve, catalog your contents, review your insurance policy, perhaps have some arguments with your carrier, decide whether to hire a public adjuster, receive funds to rebuild, and hope you have enough money. With smoke damage, it’s up to the homeowner to prove something is unhealthy or damaged while the insurance brings in their experts to claim everything is fine.

Our first adjuster examined the home with me and, while at the house, said the ~$80,000 they were offering was “a lot of money” and that she had other clients who were taking that amount and cleaning themselves. This was before any environmental testing was performed or any objective third-party review of the damages. Deplorable. The first environmental test showed our home had toxic metals and harmful chemicals, yet the insurance didn’t want to believe it, so they hired another firm to test—which had similar results. Only after those test results did the insurance begin to realize we weren’t going to walk away and accept their absurd offer.

Your insurance is not your friend, regardless of their marketing.


If you're interested in more, see the links below for community survey results publicly released yesterday.


I am so very sorry. When you say, “it illustrates the profit margins and costs involved with this type of work during a disaster. Many have illegally profited from those suffering. Total remediation cost for the home—just the cleaning, not any repairs—is now approximately $250,000 (I still need to add it all up).” It breaks my heart. It’s so wrong. Hang in there. I’m glad you are taking the precautions and having the patience to make sure it is all right and safe for your family to return. Praying for you all.
 
I have friends who lost their homes who have said that while losing everything was extremely traumatic and distressing, they believe having a standing home with smoke damage is worse.
I know people in the area burned by the Oakland Hills fire (about 35 yrs ago, I think). Multiple of them said those people had the same realization after the fire.
 
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