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Public Service Announcement—Palisades Fire

Ken555 said:
This site launched today. It is heartbreaking for those of us who know these homes, and not just as statistics.

Palisades Fire – LA County Recovers

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It is always amazing to see homes with no damage alongside homes that were destroyed. We saw it in San Diego, and the map shows it again in Pacific Palisades. Fire is wild.

Btw, my BIL who is a fire captain, says that they see homes burn from the inside because the heat causes things like curtains and blinds to catch fire. He tells us to take the window coverings down, and leave hoses out and attached to a spigot in the backyard.
 
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Found out today that a neighbor at the old folks home lost two rental homes in the Altadena fire. One tenant had rental insurance, was very nice while asking for her January rent back. The other tenant without insurance was grumpy with her. And double whammy, she lived for twenty years in the Palisades. Built five homes, lived in two, sold them all over the years. Kids grew up there. All gone.
 
clifffaith said:
Found out today that a neighbor at the old folks home lost two rental homes in the Altadena fire. One tenant had rental insurance, was very nice while asking for her January rent back. The other tenant without insurance was grumpy with her. And double whammy, she lived for twenty years in the Palisades. Built five homes, lived in two, sold them all over the years. Kids grew up there. All gone.
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The main question is whether your neighbor had insurance on the 2 rental properties.
 
VacationForever said:
The main question is whether your neighbor had insurance on the 2 rental properties.
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Never occurred to me to consider that an intelligent well-to-do business woman would not have insurance on homes she had tenants in. No reason to doubt she was insured.
 
clifffaith said:
Never occurred to me to consider that an intelligent well-to-do business woman would not have insurance on homes she had tenants in. No reason to doubt she was insured.
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So then "All gone." refers to the rental homes being gone and memories that went with them, but is not financially devastating.
 
VacationForever said:
So then "All gone." refers to the rental homes being gone and memories that went with them, but is not financially devastating.
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For her I imagine it’s just a big PITA that she has to deal with whatever one does with two piles of burned rubble. Possibly the path of least resistance is to sell the lots and let someone else deal with the rebuild. My impression is that the Altadena homes were originally bought only as an investment. Having actually lived in the Palisades she is quite emotional over what that community has lost. There is a new resident who rumor has it has her house still for sale in one of the burn areas. Imagine funding your stay at the old folks home with a house, even if it is still standing, in the midst of a disaster zone. OFH allows move in with your funds still tied up until your house is sold a few months later, not sure how flexible they are, but I expect they’d allow a compassionate reprieve to get the problem sorted out.
 
clifffaith said:
For her I imagine it’s just a big PITA that she has to deal with whatever one does with two piles of burned rubble. Possibly the path of least resistance is to sell the lots and let someone else deal with the rebuild. My impression is that the Altadena homes were originally bought only as an investment. Having actually lived in the Palisades she is quite emotional over what that community has lost. There is a new resident who rumor has it has her house still for sale in one of the burn areas. Imagine funding your stay at the old folks home with a house, even if it is still standing, in the midst of a disaster zone. OFH allows move in with your funds still tied up until your house is sold a few months later, not sure how flexible they are, but I expect they’d allow a compassionate reprieve to get the problem sorted out.
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Sadly, a certain percentage of people with no mortgage decide to skip the insurance. Hopefully, your assumption that your friend has insurance is correct.

I agree that many people won't want the hassle and stress of trying to rebuild. Selling would seem to make sense, though I recall that after the Lahaina fire, people offering to purchase lots were often portrayed as evil vultures swooping in to take advantage of the situation.
 
clifffaith said:
Never occurred to me to consider that an intelligent well-to-do business woman would not have insurance on homes she had tenants in. No reason to doubt she was insured.
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My father was very anti-insurance. He pretty much only carried what he was required to. I can remember visiting him (FL) and borrowing his car - 'sure I can drive it, and a gentle reminder that his brand new mini van he is loaning me has liability only'. He had 3 homes in the Panama City area and they were not insured (maybe he had something he needed for renters in 2 of them). But he just didn't believe in insuring any more than you had to - he was willing to take the risk. (LOL - and then there were the timeshares)!!!
 
clifffaith said:
I asked my sister and she answered Cuesta Linda Drive without giving me an address number.
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During Mom’s 90th birthday lunch today I found out that my sister’s pet sitting people still had a more or less intact house. She thinks there are some damaged out buildings. The lawyer wife and a live-in house mate had time to get some important things out, and she is now in a rental in Palm Springs. Husband was in the air about to land in Japan for his band’s (One Republic) Asian tour when fire broke out, and is continuing with the tour. Next stop Wuhan, China!
 
We had another fire start up in the hills above our homes this morning. Our neighbor, who is still on site and makes hourly checks of the neighborhood, found it and quickly got a fire crew to take care of it.
 
mountainboy said:
Per this WSJ video, Incarcerated firefighters comprise upto 15% of Cali firefighters; working 24h on, 24h off, working on a tiny fraction of the usual firefighter pay..

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mountainboy said:
Per this WSJ video, Incarcerated firefighters comprise upto 15% of Cali firefighters; working 24h on, 24h off, working on a tiny fraction of the usual firefighter pay..

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Right now California needs every firefighter with experience in fighting this fire. IMHO.
 
mountainboy said:
Per this WSJ video, Incarcerated firefighters comprise upto 15% of Cali firefighters; working 24h on, 24h off, working on a tiny fraction of the usual firefighter pay..

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Fire services use incarcerated firefighters. It is voluntary so no one is forced to work. As described by a former incarcerated firefighter it is like a training internship. He appreciated the ability to get outside and out of a prison cell. He has served his time and training and now is part of the fire service earning a living.

I have a close friend (never incarcerated) that worked for CalFire for years. Said that they appreciated working with the incarcerated. Most were sobered up drug addicts or in jail on minor offences or was stuck in neighborhood gangs so they worked diligently. This is job training.

Regular firefighters must pay for their rent and food and insurance from those earnings.
 
CalGalTraveler said:
Fire services use incarcerated firefighters. It is voluntary so no one is forced to work. As described by a former incarcerated firefighter it is like a training internship. He appreciated the ability to get outside and out of a prison cell. He has served his time and training and now is part of the fire service earning a living.

I have a close friend (never incarcerated) that worked for CalFire for years. Said that they appreciated working with the incarcerated. Most were sobered up drug addicts or in jail on minor offences or was stuck in neighborhood gangs so they worked diligently. This is job training.

Regular firefighters must pay for their rent and food and insurance from those earnings.
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Grateful for all our firefighters, today & always...
 
Wow.
 
My brother, who lives in Pasadena and still has a house, was scheduled to get a new roof this past week. Now he REALLY needs it. They have minimal fire damage and massive wind damage. So they really need a roof now. He couldn't imagine now when he'd get it and planned on tarping his house (if it ever rains in CA again). And... they came this week and are putting his new roof on. A feel good story, IMO, they are not at all taking advantage of the situation.
 
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