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Proposed internal exchange program and restrictions on resale weeks

The rep stated that a two bedroom Ocean Watch Owner had priority in an exchange even if the trade was for a higher season over all non Ocean Watch owners.
The rep's statement is incorrect. Guaranteed.

As three of us have stated and as confirmed by the wording at the MVCI site, the home resort priority applies only if all other exchange factors are equal.

Thus, if an OW owner seeks to exchange back into OW, that owner will get the week of choice, if the normal II "comparable exchange" factors give that owner the edge over all other Marriott owners requesting that same week.

If all of those exchange factors result in an equal "comparable exchange" in competition with another owner, the home priority would get the exchange for the OW owner.

However, if the "comparable exchange" formula favors the non-OW owner, the home resort priority won't be a factor and the other owner will get it.

From a practical standpoint, two exchange requests are almost never exactly equal, so it would be a very rare situation where the home resort priority would be a deciding factor.
 
What about the 24 day Marriott advantage? Any truth to the fact that you need to call your Marriott Adviser to have access to all those Marriott held weeks?
No truth. An ongoing search will snag such a week. Also, you can see such weeks while doing an online search if they haven't been taken by other Marriott owners with ongoing searches.
 
What galaxy are you from again?

We just spend a week at Monarch on Hilton Head Island and are now at Ocean Watch in Myrtle Beach.

One observation to add to the mystery . . . the elevator signs that usually promote the sales tours and offer a choice of either Marriott Vouchers for local attractions/restaurant or points now only mention the vouchers and not the points. I noticed this at Monarch where the tours are for Surf Watch. Last year points were offered and mentioned in all advertisements.

Also on the lists of daily activities at Monarch was a program about learning about Ritz Carlton and using points for the Ritz Carlton . . . we did not attend (got busy and forgot), but this seemed strange to specifically be targeting Ritz Carlton.

Today we took the tour at Ocean Watch on Myrtle Beach. I remembered some of what was being discussed here and asked a couple of questions.

I asked about a new internal exchange program. I was told that since I asked she (the sales rep) was allow to say that the program would becoming out in March. She further said all the sales personnel had been informed but were not supposed to be talking about it unless they were asked. She did not discuss the details but she said a few things I either was not aware of or had not heard before.

I asked if resale purchases and timeshares purchased directly from Marriott would be treated differently in regards to exchanging. She said there is no difference.

According to her, the 24 day Marriott advantage for Marriott deposits and owners does not show up with II on the computer system. When Interval gets a Marriott deposit they are required to hold it for the use of Marriott for 24 days. The only way a Marriott owner finds out about a unit that is in the 24 day window is by talking to your Marriott Adviser. She stressed several times that I should call my adviser and establish a report with my adviser. She indicated this was important. She also said the Marriott desk at II may know about some of the units but not all the units available within the 24 day "hold for Marriott Owners" period. Anyone using the computer will not see those units. Upon reflection, I am wondering if the owner's home resort may have access to the inventory prior to the general Marriott owners who do not own at a Marriott resort they are hoping to exchange into. This may be part of the new program. My next paragraph will shed a little light into why I am thinking this might be a possibility. This is only speculation on my part.

The sales rep also claimed that within the exchange hierarchy it is possible (though not always probable) for a bronze week owner to get a Platinum week at anytime . . .not just within the 59 day period. She stated that all owners at their home resort have priority over all other exchanger who do not own at a certain resort, including Marriott owners exchanging from another Marriott resort in their same season, irregardless of the season they own. So, when you go through the pecking order of Marriott owners in their home resort exchanging into the season they own, giving priority to multiple week owners staying at their home resort, before a week is offered to II, any owner in any season at their home resort has a priority over any other Marriott owner or outside exchanger. Thus, if a bronze owner calls and asks for a platinum week, if one is available it goes to the bronze week owner in their home resort if there are no other high priority request unfulfilled. She said she would not buy a bronze week with the hope of exchanging into a platinum but it does occasionally happen. Hopefully you all will be able to understand what it is I am trying to explain :)

Let me know your thoughts.. . as if I had to ask :)

I’m glad that the Marriott salesreps are so far off base as to be in another galaxy when it comes to II exchanges.

The key question to ask any salesrep is this “Are you and owner at this timeshare?”.

If the answer is YES then you can listen so some of the rumors that the reps pass along like gas. If the answer is NO, then you might as well start thinking of what you are going to have for dinner that night since it will be so full of false information as to be worthless.

I’m guessing that this salesrep doesn’t own a Marriott timeshare and might not even own any. They are NOT a fountain of wisdom to make any decisions on.


Forget what the salesrep said and pay attention to what TUG members have reversed engineered from Marriott and II.
 
No truth. An ongoing search will snag such a week. Also, you can see such weeks while doing an on line search if they haven't been taken by other Marriott owners with ongoing searches.

Would an adviser, being aware you are asking for a certain week but have not deposited in II, be able to see the weeks prior to them being loaded into II? I was told that at the time the 24 days Marriott weeks were released into the II system they were the "left over" 24 day weeks.

I am in sales myself and and personally do not like a lot of sales people because many are not straight forward and honest. I am pretty good at picking out a high presser "BS"er. This woman was very professional, low keyed, low pressured and did not seem incompetent. There was not pressure to have us buy a week . . . she merely asked if we were interested at the end and asked that we let her know one way or the other. I asked her several times if she was certain if she was correct or to clarify what I was hearing. I think I will call her again tomorrow to see if she still says the same thing . . . especially now that I have had a chance to think over our conversation and digest what has been said on TUG.

I do believe you are correct, as your view is what I always thought was accurate prior to our tour today.
 
Would an adviser, being aware you are asking for a certain week but have not deposited in II, be able to see the weeks prior to them being loaded into II? I was told that at the time the 24 days Marriott weeks were released into the II system they were the "left over" 24 day weeks.
Once the 24-day Marriott priority starts, that week will be immediately confirmed to any "comparable exchange" ongoing search. The so-called "leftovers" are the weeks that you can see with an online search. They are left over because there were no existing online searches for those weeks that were comparable.

I don't know if an II rep can see such a week before it is loaded into II's system, but I would doubt it. Even if they could see such a week and tell you about it, knowing that such a week is coming online doesn't give you any advantage. That's what ongoing searches are for - to gain that advantage over those that don't have such a search.
 
The example being given was for Ocean Watch where all the units are two bedroom units. The rep stated that a two bedroom Ocean Watch Owner had priority in an exchange even if the trade was for a higher season over all non Ocean Watch owners. Those who were owners trading in their season had priority over those owners trading out of their season.

Thus . . . Ocean Watch priority as I understood what the sales rep was saying . . . . . .

multi week owners of Ocean Watch trading in season
single week owners of Ocean Watch trading in season
multi week owners of Ocean Watch trading out of season
single week owners of Ocean Watch trading out of season
All other are below

Just had a thought . . . could she actually be meaning when I call into Marriott to reserve my week at the resort I own?
That is similar to the priority list for unit assignments, the only benefits a multiple week owner gets in exchanging is if they can get a better week or get it deposited earlier. As noted, home resort is a tiebreaker and that includes ALL Marriott resorts in exchanging.
 
Key sales person confirms 6 month reservation restriction planned.

[She] could not discuss the legal aspects of the plan as was a bit taken aback that I was aware of it. The information was in response to questions from me.

Charles
 
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[She] could not discuss the legal aspects of the plan as was a bit taken aback that I was aware of it. The information was in response to questions from me.

Charles

6 weeks? Did you mean 6 months?
 
Although, I certainly dont know as much about trading as many of you I thought I might chime in here with regard to our most recent experience. We have owned 2 gold 1 bdrm weeks at the Aruba Ocean Club since they first opened. We have only traded once prior to this past year choosing to go back to Aruba each time instead. This past Nov we had to deposit on very short notice ie within 3 weeks of our booked period because of surgery issues. We also had a fairly major trip to Dubai and the Maldives that we had to cancel since I can't be that far away from home because of the ongoing possible complications. Fast forward....we decide to go to Florida and the Caymans for Feb. Ok, so we decide, Orlando wk 1, South FL, wk 2, and the 3rd week non time share we book the Ritz in Grand Cayman. Of course we only have the 60 day window to look at option, so when that window opens, I search with both the short deposit weeks, and using my 2008 weeks with a phantom res. number. Although I was showing some options for Orlando, I could not see either Doral or Beachplace, which is what we wanted for our 2nd week. I called II and the rep was able to book us in right then and there for Doral. While I was on the phone I was still searching...nothing was showing. No doubt in my mind that there is an advantage to phoning in, there certainly was for us :)
 
Many times when I do the online search, minimum or no units pop up at resorts where I know that there should be inventory. I usually then do a resort specific week (such as MVD) and get totally different results. Other times I get the same resorts.

I truly believe it is nothing more than a technical glitch on II's website. I also believe that II's computers see the same things your computer does, if it goes glitch free. One things for certain, it can't hurt to call. IMO

:D
 
All i can say is that I did continuously search both ie general location, and resort specific...found what i wanted only by phoning. Hopefully we dont have to trade again for a while....but guess which way we'll search if we have to :)
 
Sometimes if I press F5 over and over, eventually, new resorts show up. II definitely has glitches in its software. That is reason enough to call in!
 
Marriott is trying to stop misinformation.

[She] could not discuss the legal aspects of the plan as was a bit taken aback that I was aware of it. The information was in response to questions from me.

Charles

I relayed my experience to Marriott executive offices and I received this reply.

Dear Mr. Fernandez:

We are currently trying to reach all the sales staff with correct information. I will forward this to my manager and it will be addressed immediately. You have assurance that we are not changing your reservation process.

Please accept my deepest apologies for this misinformation.



Charles
 
Charles,

I contacted them today as well to let them know about this.
The lady who told you this was contacted by the executive offices (Marriott knew who it was) and asked about it. The person told Marriott execs that you had misunderstood her statements. Her take was that she told you that she had only heard the rumors just as you had. They (Marriott) were not happy to say the least.

Marriott also stated again that it was ALL RUMORS AND TOTALLY FALSE.

I guess old habits are hard to break.

:D
 
I wish Dave M wasn't so darn reliable. Then I could let myself believe this isn't going to happen.
 
I expected as much.

Charles,

I contacted them today as well to let them know about this.
The lady who told you this was contacted by the executive offices (Marriott knew who it was) and asked about it. The person told Marriott execs that you had misunderstood her statements. Her take was that she told you that she had only heard the rumors just as you had. They (Marriott) were not happy to say the least.

Marriott also stated again that it was ALL RUMORS AND TOTALLY FALSE.

I guess old habits are hard to break.

:D

I did not expect anything but a denial.

Charles
 
Nuke em’ Dano

It amazes me that in this day and age corporations, like Marriott, don’t have a “Rumor Control” center and folks can ask about a rumor there and the corporation can respond. Even an official "No comment" is still official.

I understand that the corporation opens itself to all kinds of scrutiny and possible litigation but rumors make the stock market go up and down all the time. This is a perfect case for Marriott to address these rumors that their own employees spread and to nuke em’.
 
It has been quite some time since the last post--has anybody heard any new information regarding Marriott's plans for an internal exchange/points system?
 
They have been very quiet. Even my normally very reliable sources won't say anything. There are any number of possible conclusions one could draw from the silence.

I think we will just have to wait.
 
We were at Timber Lodge last week and I met the most knowledgable sales rep in 10 years. He ownes 3 weeks there and he says 18 months. He has no idea of how the internal system will work.

He did use it as a reason to buy Marriott now.

Just another rumor....
 
We were at Timber Lodge last week and I met the most knowledgable sales rep in 10 years. He ownes 3 weeks there and he says 18 months. He has no idea of how the internal system will work.

He did use it as a reason to buy Marriott now.

Just another rumor....


Perry,
You are alive. Great to hear from you!!
Where in the world have you been?
What have have you been up to?


Terry :D
 
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