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[laurac260]

Here is the new report - http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/c...sky-alleged-sex-abuse-shower-article-1.977525

That's not how he testified. So either this, or his testimony, is false. Which is it?

 

[pjrose]

That's not how he testified. So either this, or his testimony, is false. Which is it?

The GJ report is a synopsis, not a complete transcript - so maybe something was left out of the transcript? Though I'd think stopping it, as he is now saying, would certainly have been important enough to keep in.

Do they know the identity of that particular victim?

 

[laurac260]

The GJ report is a synopsis, not a complete transcript - so maybe something was left out of the transcript? Though I'd think stopping it, as he is now saying, would certainly have been important enough to keep in.

Do they know the identity of that particular victim?

Nevermind. I deleted my post. I've heard they don't know who he was.

 

[6scoops]

Sandusky is talking!

Can't believe his attorney is letting him speak. He was just being interviewed via the telephone on Rock Center with Brian Willams. What a creep! Yuck, he say's "I shouldn't of showered with those kids."

 

[bogey21]

Thanks for posting the link Denise.

Even if he did stop that particular incident, what's he been doing the last 9 years?

Among other things he reported what he saw to Paterno, the head football coach. One and one half weeks later he retold his story to Curley, the Athletic Director and Schultz, who oversaw the University Police. Recently he provided the testimony to the Grand Jury that helped secure multiple indictments.

George

 

[bogey21]

That's not how he testified.

Exactly what was his testimony? All I can find is that it says in the Grand Jury Roport that "The graduate assistant left immediately, distraught".

George

 

[DeniseM]

Sandusky's interview from today - http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/15/video-the-jerry-sandusky-interview/

 

[laurac260]

disclaimer---I have no idea of the reliability of this rag, but for whatever this is worth, I stumbled upon this today...

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/11/14/111511-news-sandusky-lawyer-teen-web/

 

[Mel]

I find it interesting in the interview that his lawyer thinks "these kids are going to come forward" and sayit didn't happen. He says he has identified the kid McQuary saw - yet the state hasn't identified him. I'm sorry, I wouldn't trust someone who now comes forward and claims to be that boy, saying it was all a misunderstanding. If that was the case, why didn't he come forward in 2002?

 

[scrapngen]

Sandusky's interview really creeped me out as well as made me sick. Granted, the whole situation does that, but hearing his voice describe actions he thinks are perfectly ok, and his deflection of those questions re: allegations he is accused of is sickening. It is clear that he feels he has done nothing wrong..

This was about money, pride and an institution (college football) that had become too big with too much power and people in authority felt they could make their own decisions about what constitutes a crime...

We think we live in an enlightened society with justice for all. We still have a long way to go when people are more concerned with the "program" than the victims.

The reporting and discussions/riots/ is all about what should happen with the football program, the games, the head coach's and president's tarnished reputations, and very little about the victims. Death threats against the whistleblower, but no death threats toward the abuser who is really the one who should be blamed for the downfall of the program?? (not that I'm advocating death threats!) One man stands with a sign remembering the victims in a nonconfrontational way at the start of the football game and all HE gets is abuse, while the coach/team gets tons of support from the people?? Monetary support pouring in for the accused person's defense, but why no money pouring in for a victims' fund??

OK, there WAS a candlelight vigil for the victims, (after the riot supporting the head coach) and that man holding the signs took a very personal stand. Many people are truly horrified by these events. It is making national and international news. So there is hope that the culture can slowly change... It is even concievable that this would not have gotten the grand jury and publicity it is had if we not had the priests and church coverups scandal. Hopefully, this will make more people aware that these crimes need to be reported and stopped.

 

[geekette]

wouldn't surprise me if this is just tip of the iceberg and many football players and/or "ordinary citizens" that came out of that 'charity program' start coming forward.

The silence is over.

 

[ace2000]

wouldn't surprise me if this is just tip of the iceberg and many football players and/or "ordinary citizens" that came out of that 'charity program' start coming forward.

The silence is over.

Coming forward in what manner?

 

[geekette]

I meant victims.

I find it hard to believe that a guy with such ... impulses ... would have limited himself to a handful of kids. I think there are more, and I think we will hear from them.

Someone that has gone thru life after such abuse may actually be relieved to tell his story, especially now that he would most likely be believed. And would possibly want to help nail the guy, be supportive of the victims, etc.

 

[boyblue]

What if...

What if Sandusky is telling the truth as it relates to Paterno (he said Paterno didn't know)
What if these allegations are proven false (Sandusky admitted to inappropriate contact – Which is serious, but it's not rape!)
What if we just wait on due process before we tear apart an exemplary 46 year career? How about presumption of innocence man?

If this were a matter of facts, born out in a court of law I’d say scr%w Paterno (Hang ’Em High), the wellbeing of those boys has to take precedence…
But right now it’s like that Nationwide commercial… on the one hand we have some serious allegations, and on another hand we have Joe PA’s 46 years of doing it by the book, and on another hand (yep three hands) we have the mob shouting “crucify him”.
Not to class Joe Pa with JC, but we all know that mobs tend to get their way.

Presumption of innocence! What you talkin bout Willis!

 

[laurac260]

What if...

What if Sandusky is telling the truth as it relates to Paterno (he said Paterno didn't know)
What if these allegations are proven false (Sandusky admitted to inappropriate contact – Which is serious, but it's not rape!)
What if we just wait on due process before we tear apart an exemplary 46 year career? How about presumption of innocence man?

If this were a matter of facts, born out in a court of law I’d say scr%w Paterno (Hang ’Em High), the wellbeing of those boys has to take precedence…
But right now it’s like that Nationwide commercial… on the one hand we have some serious allegations, and on another hand we have Joe PA’s 46 years of doing it by the book, and on another hand (yep three hands) we have the mob shouting “crucify him”.
Not to class Joe Pa with JC, but we all know that mobs tend to get their way.

Presumption of innocence! What you talkin bout Willis!

If you read the indictment, you see that McQueary's testimony is either #1, from a very deviant individual (McQueary) who has a sadistic streak and a deep desire to bring another grown man down and destroy his reputation, just for spite, or #2, an actual rape of a young boy in progress.

There just isn't a 3rd option.

 

[bogey21]

If you read the indictment, you see that McQueary's testimony is either #1, from a very deviant individual (McQueary) who has a sadistic streak and a deep desire to bring another grown man down and destroy his reputation, just for spite, or #2, an actual rape of a young boy in progress.

There just isn't a 3rd option.

So now you believe that there is a possibility that McQueary is "a very deviant individual who has a sadistic streak". To suggest this without any facts is outrageous!

George

 

[boyblue]

If you read the indictment, you see that McQueary's testimony is either #1, from a very deviant individual (McQueary) who has a sadistic streak and a deep desire to bring another grown man down and destroy his reputation, just for spite, or #2, an actual rape of a young boy in progress.

There just isn't a 3rd option.

I read the 23 page document and I was repulsed. Sandusky by his own admission has some serious issues.

There is nothing in the 23 pages that indicates that Paterno knew and did nothing. A trial may prove that to be the case, but Paterno won't get that opportunity. The court of public has done him in.

The charges are so serious that unpaid leave may have been appropriate for Paterno, but to fire him is obviously overkill and matter of feeding the mob.

 

[laurac260]

So now you believe that there is a possibility that McQueary is "a very deviant individual who has a sadistic streak". To suggest this without any facts is outrageous!

George

No, hardly. You missed my point. What I was saying was in response to BoyBlue who said, "what if the allegations are false?" My point was that only a truly sick, deviant person would ever make up a story like that to hang on another person. Either that, or what he said he saw was true, which means that the question "what if the allegations are false?" could only be met with an emphatic, "they can't possibly be false, because.... "

 

[laurac260]

I read the 23 page document and I was repulsed. Sandusky by his own admission has some serious issues.

There is nothing in the 23 pages that indicates that Paterno knew and did nothing. A trial may prove that to be the case, but Paterno won't get that opportunity. The court of public has done him in.

The charges are so serious that unpaid leave may have been appropriate for Paterno, but to fire him is obviously overkill and matter of feeding the mob.

You said, <<What if these allegations are proven false (Sandusky admitted to inappropriate contact – Which is serious, but it's not rape!)>> That's what I was replying to. In my original post I had bold faced that sentence, but it did not show up boldfaced when I posted my reply. THAT is what I was replying to.

 

[boyblue]

You said, <<What if these allegations are proven false (Sandusky admitted to inappropriate contact – Which is serious, but it's not rape!)>> That's what I was replying to. In my original post I had bold faced that sentence, but it did not show up boldfaced when I posted my reply. THAT is what I was replying to.

I understand and I am almost certain that Sandusky will be proven guilty. I am somewhat certain that Paterno will be proven innocent of complicity. My only issue is the rush to judgement.

I haven't seen Americans this sure about anything since the WMD's - I'm just saying

 

[laurac260]

I understand and I am almost certain that Sandusky will be proven guilty. I am somewhat certain that Paterno will be proven innocent of complicity. My only issue is the rush to judgement.

I haven't seen Americans this sure about anything since the WMD's - I'm just saying

I have no idea about Paterno. I have no idea what he knew or didn't know. Curley (The Athletic director?) testified that he told Sandusky that he wasn't to bring his "youth" to the facilities anymore. That was his answer to the allegations. I think he needed to go for not doing enough. I really can't speak for Paterno. He said himself that he should have done more. I don't know if that is an admission of guilt, or a comment from a morally decent guy who wishes he had been involved enough to have done something. Only time will tell.

 

[boyblue]

I have no idea about Paterno. I have no idea what he knew or didn't know. Curley (The Athletic director?) testified that he told Sandusky that he wasn't to bring his "youth" to the facilities anymore. That was his answer to the allegations. I think he needed to go for not doing enough. I really can't speak for Paterno. He said himself that he should have done more. I don't know if that is an admission of guilt, or a comment from a morally decent guy who wishes he had been involved enough to have done something. Only time will tell.

We are in agreement.

 

[Patri]

I just read the report. It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Others have said the same thing. I guess the more negative you hear by more and more people, you get a preconceived notion of what it was going to contain. It was icky, and my heart goes out to those boys. Despite our anything-goes society, they still had a sense of privacy and knew Sandusky was behaving inappropriately. And they had no skills to slap him upside the head and say, "Leave me alone, you pervert!" Even the adults didn't have the courage to challenge him face to face on the activities they found 'suspicious' or odd. The poor janitor told plenty of people, and his superior should be on the carpet for failure to act.
I don't believe McQueary told the police, as he is now alleging. Why would that not come up for the grand jury? They wanted the whole truth.
I hope the victims have received counseling and can lead healthy adult lives.

 

[pjrose]

. . . those boys. Despite our anything-goes society, they still had a sense of privacy and knew Sandusky was behaving inappropriately. And they had no skills to slap him upside the head and say, "Leave me alone, you pervert!" . . .

Maybe some did?

. . . The poor janitor told plenty of people, and his superior should be on the carpet for failure to act.
. . .

absolutely

 

[ondeadlin]

There is nothing in the 23 pages that indicates that Paterno knew and did nothing. A trial may prove that to be the case, but Paterno won't get that opportunity. The court of public has done him in.

The charges are so serious that unpaid leave may have been appropriate for Paterno, but to fire him is obviously overkill and matter of feeding the mob.

The report clearly states on p. 7 that the graduate assistant, after having witnessed Sandusky raping a young boy in the Penn State showers, went and told Paterno the next day. The report further states that Paterno testified to essentially the same facts, saying the graduate assistant told him Sandusky was doing "something of a sexual nature to a young boy."

So, yes, there is clearly something in the 23 pages that indicates Paterno knew - his own testimony.

At that point, Paterno had a moral obligation to go to the police. So did the graduate assistant.

Paterno was properly fired for failing to do this. The graduate assistant's career is essentially over as well.

It's a shame they both didn't do the right thing, and that they've lost their careers over it, but it's also a reminder that power and personal motives can warp all of our perspectives if we're not careful.