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Ongoing Sales Incentive - Enrolling Post-6/20/10 Weeks [MERGED]

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Enrolled 2 secondary weeks without buying any points for $3.12/point!

One of the weeks was an annual 1BR Aruba Ocean Club Oceanview Platinum (2,900 DC points) and the other was a 2BR EOY Waiohai Beach Club Island view platinum (4,225 DC points-(2,112/year) EOY). I bought an additional annual 1BR Aruba Ocean Club oceanview platinum (2,900 DC points) for $24,700. That equates to $3.12/point (2900+2900+2112=7,912 points for $24,700)! In addition I received 6,000 Plus DC points good for 3 years. I struck the deal at the end of January while in Aruba and we scheduled the closing for May in anticipation that corporate would have a program to allow for the enrollment of previously unenrolled. They did and we closed 3 weeks ago. I now have the Plus points and all weeks are now enrolled. I was and still am Chairman level (8 enrolled weeks) and still do not own a single DC point.
This sounds like salesperson math. I think you need to add the acquisition cost of your 2 previously unenrolled weeks into your cost per point calc to make it a real calc.
 

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Enrolled 2 secondary weeks without buying any points for $3.12/point!

One of the weeks was an annual 1BR Aruba Ocean Club Oceanview Platinum (2,900 DC points) and the other was a 2BR EOY Waiohai Beach Club Island view platinum (4,225 DC points-(2,112/year) EOY). I bought an additional annual 1BR Aruba Ocean Club oceanview platinum (2,900 DC points) for $24,700. That equates to $3.12/point (2900+2900+2112=7,912 points for $24,700)! In addition I received 6,000 Plus DC points good for 3 years.

This sounds like salesperson math. I think you need to add the acquisition cost of your 2 previously unenrolled weeks into your cost per point calc to make it a real calc.

That's correct - that cost needs to be added. If the idea is to forget that those weeks are actually weeks and now always use them as points (which is what that math does) then the cost to purchase the unenrolled weeks is relevant.

But the 6000 bonus one-time points have a rental value of at least $3500 so that is something that can maybe be deducted.
 

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About 10 months ago I enrolled 12 weeks for a purchase. Unfortunately my enrolled weeks were low point generators at Willowridge, Harbour Lake, Grand Vista and Grand Chateau all 2br lock offs. I enrolled more to prepay the lock off and exchange fees than to generate points.

Did not look at the part of cost per point till this post. My weeks generate over 30k DC points if elected. Comes out to $1.32 per point with the points from the purchased Aruba SC week.

Add in the cost of the twelve 2br weeks enrolled, comes out to $1.66 a point. My earlier enrollment of Grand Residence weeks with purchase of 5k DC points is even lower at .63 cents per point. Add in the cost of what I paid for the GR quarter shares and 2 resale weeks, price rises to $1.07 per point.

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About 10 months ago I enrolled 12 weeks for a purchase. Unfortunately my enrolled weeks were low point generators at Willowridge, Harbour Lake, Grand Vista and Grand Chateau all 2br lock offs. I enrolled more to prepay the lock off and exchange fees than to generate points.

Did not look at the part of cost per point till this post. My weeks generate over 30k DC points if elected. Comes out to $1.32 per point with the points from the purchased Aruba SC week.

Add in the cost of the twelve 2br weeks enrolled, comes out to $1.66 a point. My earlier enrollment of Grand Residence weeks with purchase of 5k DC points is even lower at .63 cents per point. Add in the cost of what I paid for the GR quarter shares and 2 resale weeks, price rises to $1.07 per point.

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If you were to elect all weeks for points (which you are not doing) what would the 2021 maintenance fees per point be on the 30K. I believe this piece of information is always important when looking at enrollment from a points only perspective. Would the low point generators put your MF's per point higher than DP points at $0.604?
 
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If you were to elect all weeks for points (which you are not doing) what would the 2021 maintenance fees per point be on the 30K. I believe this piece of information is always important when looking at enrollment. Would the low point generators put your MF's per point higher than DP points at $0.604?
My fees for my 2019 conversion worked out to be just under 38¢ PP looking at the weeks enrolled and the purchased Aruba week. I don't have the info in front of me but I also calculated the fees per point for the ones I'd usually take points on and it was higher but still under 50 PP, I'm thinking it was 47¢ or 48¢ PP. If I look at my overall portfolio it was also just under 38¢ PP in 2019 but with Willow Ridge I generally wouldn't take points and often not for Legend's Edge, my 2 lowest points returned per week, so the numbers are more favorable when those are removed.
 
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I expect that the folks that have done these deals all worked through Internet sales. The recaps I’ve read all suggest they are more professional and focused on finding a deal that works for you. We really need a search stickie for threads by Frank 808, Dean, Vol90 and the few others that have done these big deals. :)

we did it with our rep on site. She sent us several different options over the course of a few days after looking at bundles as we also considered buying a week at the same time. She got the price per point down under $8. Was very helpful and focused on what was best for us
 

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Has anyone had an update on a
2022 Amnesty / Ongoing Sales Incentive - Enrolling Post-6/20/10 Weeks update
It has been suggested in Europe, that an announcement may be due soon for enrolling these with Week(s) purchase, but you never know for sure. We are waiting to hear back from them.
We have 4x remaining unenrolled Weeks which we would want to enrol with the right incentive.
 

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I am in the same boat your are bazaap. I have four weeks (that I love..and so if I never go to points that is fine) that I would like to convert to points but I am waiting for a good "deal". Last I checked, Marriott wanted 45K (hybrid purchase) to convert me but Im not paying that much. I am going to Aruba in July for a week for fun AND to see they best deal I can get in person.
 

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I am in the same boat your are bazaap. I have four weeks (that I love..and so if I never go to points that is fine) that I would like to convert to points but I am waiting for a good "deal". Last I checked, Marriott wanted 45K (hybrid purchase) to convert me but Im not paying that much. I am going to Aruba in July for a week for fun AND to see they best deal I can get in person.
I will provide an update, as and when I get any specific information on what may be on offer.
Good luck.
 

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I am in the same boat your are bazaap. I have four weeks (that I love..and so if I never go to points that is fine) that I would like to convert to points but I am waiting for a good "deal". Last I checked, Marriott wanted 45K (hybrid purchase) to convert me but Im not paying that much. I am going to Aruba in July for a week for fun AND to see they best deal I can get in person.

I would bet your best deal would be through corporate sales, based on what others have done on here.
 

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I will provide an update, as and when I get any specific information on what may be on offer.
Good luck.
You should be able to do so with an Aruba or St. Kitt's week depending on the week involved. For Aruba is will likely require a minimum of an OC Platinum OS unit but with price escalations, an OV/OS Surf Club MIGHT get it done as well. An OF or event/plus week certainly would if they allow it. It will be cheaper than buying the 5500 points and have a better points to fees ration. The same applies to Asia weeks. You should certainly check about enrolling with a Spain purchase and compare and I suspect you already are.
 

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You should be able to do so with an Aruba or St. Kitt's week depending on the week involved. For Aruba is will likely require a minimum of an OC Platinum OS unit but with price escalations, an OV/OS Surf Club MIGHT get it done as well. An OF or event/plus week certainly would if they allow it. It will be cheaper than buying the 5500 points and have a better points to fees ration. The same applies to Asia weeks. You should certainly check about enrolling with a Spain purchase and compare and I suspect you already are.

Thank you and yes the likely option will be a Platinum Spanish week, but I would consider other options especially as we already own in St Kitts.
(all remaining Phuket Beach Club weeks were conveyed to the Asia Pacific points programme and all other Asia resorts were only ever points from Day 1, so I don’t believe that option exists)


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Thank you and yes the likely option will be a Platinum Spanish week, but I would consider other options especially as we already own in St Kitts.
(all remaining Phuket Beach Club weeks were conveyed to the Asia Pacific points programme and all other Asia resorts were only ever points from Day 1, so I don’t believe that option exists)
I guess I wasn't clear. I was speaking of enrolling applicable Asian weeks, not purchasing to enroll. I'm not sure what the requirements would be to buy a St. Kitt's week and enroll but you might want to check there as well.
 

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I guess I wasn't clear. I was speaking of enrolling applicable Asian weeks, not purchasing to enroll. I'm not sure what the requirements would be to buy a St. Kitt's week and enroll but you might want to check there as well.

OK I understand now.
I already have our Phuket Beach Club and St Kitts weeks enrolled.
It is just some of our Spanish weeks which are not.
So my thoughts were to buy another Spanish week (probably) or another St Kitts week (possibly) from MVC enrol our currently ineligible Spanish weeks.


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OK I understand now.
I already have our Phuket Beach Club and St Kitts weeks enrolled.
It is just some of our Spanish weeks which are not.
So my thoughts were to buy another Spanish week (probably) or another St Kitts week (possibly) from MVC enrol our currently ineligible Spanish weeks.


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It's just a guess but I suspect the best you can do with St. Kitts with one week purchased is an OS Platinum week and NOT an OV or GV. In Aruba 4075 points would not have met the qualifications to do so because of the dollar limits but with price increases this might have changed. I get the impression St. Kitt's has been a little more lax in that area possibly due to being more difficult to sell than Aruba?:shrug:
 

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These comments are very interesting to me. Our vacation weeks are primarily Newport Coast and Ocean Watch platinum weeks, both resorts are fun for the family or are easily rented. So, I wouldn't pay to get points when I could merely rent for cash and rent something else for cash. This is my "points plus" system - "easier access to great weeks at a lower cost."

I wouldn't beg VAC to allow me to enroll my weeks (to enable access to points). In fact, VAC could improve the availability of point reservations by getting access to my weeks. The better option for some of us is to buy great weeks in the resale market and forego the supposed benefits of the overpriced points program.
 

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These comments are very interesting to me. Our vacation weeks are primarily Newport Coast and Ocean Watch platinum weeks, both resorts are fun for the family or are easily rented. So, I wouldn't pay to get points when I could merely rent for cash and rent something else for cash. This is my "points plus" system - "easier access to great weeks at a lower cost."

I wouldn't beg VAC to allow me to enroll my weeks (to enable access to points). In fact, VAC could improve the availability of point reservations by getting access to my weeks. The better option for some of us is to buy great weeks in the resale market and forego the supposed benefits of the overpriced points program.

Your strategy is a good one for folks who choose to play in the rental arena. For others of us, we aren’t inclined to dive into trying to rent our weeks. So for us, the points products offer a much simpler way to travel to a variety of destinations when we don’t use our resale deeded weeks. We use deeded weeks to travel to Maui and Kauai EOY but prefer Destination Points over II for going other places.
 

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Your strategy is a good one for folks who choose to play in the rental arena. For others of us, we aren’t inclined to dive into trying to rent our weeks. So for us, the points products offer a much simpler way to travel to a variety of destinations when we don’t use our resale deeded weeks. We use deeded weeks to travel to Maui and Kauai EOY but prefer Destination Points over II for going other places.
Cheapest is "trading weeks" exchanging, followed by owning what one will actually use followed by points. However, they work best together when looked at as a package though that usage and flexibility does have a cost, I think it's a reasonable one for what I get.
 

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Cheapest is "trading weeks" exchanging, followed by owning what one will actually use followed by points. However, they work best together when looked at as a package though that usage and flexibility does have a cost, I think it's a reasonable one for what I get.

Yeah, the flexibility of points does come at a cost, but getting the lowest possible cost has never been our focus. We are more about getting the flexibility and ease of use we want, but doing that at a price that works for us.
 

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Yeah, the flexibility of points does come at a cost, but getting the lowest possible cost has never been our focus. We are more about getting the flexibility and ease of use we want, but doing that at a price that works for us.
It is all about getting a value you are happy with. Through my HGVC with “Bad” maintenance fee to points I’ve gotten adequate value exchanging into 1 BR Ocean View Lagoon Tower for the same effective cost as the base hotel room at the hotel towers of the Hawaiian village. To me that was a good value, even if not technically maximizing my cost. Even with the skim on Vistana, I can see it being beneficial for quite a few owners to trade, and one advantage of the scale is that they might have a better shot at incentivizing weeks owners at the desirable Vistana properties to trade with DC. It may not be the cheapest solution, but simplicity can be attractive to some owners.
 

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It's just a guess but I suspect the best you can do with St. Kitts with one week purchased is an OS Platinum week and NOT an OV or GV. In Aruba 4075 points would not have met the qualifications to do so because of the dollar limits but with price increases this might have changed. I get the impression St. Kitt's has been a little more lax in that area possibly due to being more difficult to sell than Aruba?:shrug:
I would probably choose to go with a Spanish week rather than a St Kitts week for any suitable deal, not least because St Kitts weeks by comparison have both higher MFs and lower points allocation when electing them for points.
 

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I would probably choose to go with a Spanish week rather than a St Kitts week for any suitable deal, not least because St Kitts weeks by comparison have both higher MFs and lower points allocation when electing them for points.

What are the Spanish weeks going for direct from MVC these days? We have been planning to pick up and Aruba week once they sort enrolling Vistana weeks with a purchase...but would be equally interested in Spain.
 

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I would probably choose to go with a Spanish week rather than a St Kitts week for any suitable deal, not least because St Kitts weeks by comparison have both higher MFs and lower points allocation when electing them for points.
In my experience you need to spend a minimum of 16.500€ or equivalent to enrolled 1 external week, not a great deal when I hear of people in US being allowed to enrol multiple weeks. I will be interested in what you find out!
 

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What are the Spanish weeks going for direct from MVC these days? We have been planning to pick up and Aruba week once they sort enrolling Vistana weeks with a purchase...but would be equally interested in Spain.
Friends bought a Gold week in Spain last Summer for £13-14k (I can’t remember exactly), so some $17K at current exchange rates, to also enrol one ineligible week.
I would probably be looking at Platinum week(s) in Spain to enrol multiple ineligible weeks, but waiting to hear back on exactly what deal they will offer.
 
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