Nursing Home losses

[bogey21]

In a sense one floor of the CCRC I live in is a Nursing Home. It is where those close to death and/or needing 24 hour care are housed. It is completely segregated from the rest of the CCRC. Only Care Givers are allowed to get off the elevator for this floor. Spouses of those housed on this floor are not allowed to visit their Other Half. The one exception is Imminent Death. So far, so good. Zero COVID-19 cases...

George

 

[SueDonJ]

In a sense one floor of the CCRC I live in is a Nursing Home. It is where those close to death and/or needing 24 hour care are housed. It is completely segregated from the rest of the CCRC. Only Care Givers are allowed to get off the elevator for this floor. Spouses of those housed on this floor are not allowed to visit their Other Half. The one exception is Imminent Death. So far, so good. Zero COVID-19 cases...

George

George, about what's bolded? Is this newly-instituted policy because of COVID-19, or are you saying that as a routine policy no spouses are allowed to visit this floor? If COVID-related of course it's understandable despite its harshness, but absent COVID and the like? That's the kind of response to this pandemic that families and loved ones of residents in nursing homes are most critical of through all this!

Best wishes for continued COVID-free life in your home.

 

[pedro47]

These are such scary times. I really fear for my parents. They are older and obviously in the high-risk category.

Stay safe everyone. I'll keep praying for all of us.

Echo. Stay safe everyone. I'm also praying for our nation to defeat this coronavirus.

 

[Brett]

Echo. Stay safe everyone. I'm also praying for our nation to defeat this coronavirus.

I predict your prayers will be answered, the pandemic 'war' will be won eventually - vaccine, cure, virus disappears
we should be prepared for the next pandemic ....

 

[Monykalyn]

I know I will avoid this option at all costs.

This type of financial planning really should start being brought up in high school, and then again with your first job.
@SueDonJ really hit the spot in her post. Her son sounds like the type of administrator staff want to work for/with.

 

[normab]

I hadn’t seen my dad since March, he’s in memory care here in Florida and they shut down early. Fortunately so far they are all safe in his facility.

This past week they had a parade...the residents all sat outside, with masks and properly distanced. The families drove by in their cars, the parade, and we all got to see and briefly talk to our loved ones from a distance. It was a good idea. My dad started to cry, though, this has been really hard on him. He is used to my brother and I each visiting him and we also had a companion everyday to walk with him since he is highly vision impaired. No visitors for so many weeks is hard on him.

So it was bittersweet. I hope they open up soon but probably won’t....

 

[Monykalyn]

I hadn’t seen my dad since March, he’s in memory care here in Florida and they shut down early. Fortunately so far they are all safe in his facility.

This past week they had a parade...the residents all sat outside, with masks and properly distanced. The families drove by in their cars, the parade, and we all got to see and briefly talk to our loved ones from a distance. It was a good idea. My dad started to cry, though, this has been really hard on him. He is used to my brother and I each visiting him and we also had a companion everyday to walk with him since he is highly vision impaired. No visitors for so many weeks is hard on him.

So it was bittersweet. I hope they open up soon but probably won’t....

This is so hard especially on the memory care residents. I know one of our homes is doing a "pet therapy" parade outside the windows too-the residents really like seeing the animals. Hope your dad stays in good health and you get to do a real hug soon

 

[normab]

This is so hard especially on the memory care residents. I know one of our homes is doing a "pet therapy" parade outside the windows too-the residents really like seeing the animals. Hope your dad stays in good health and you get to do a real hug soon

Thank you. I forgot to say I know the caregivers are doing their best, it’s a good facility. But nothing replaces seeing your kids or spouse. The pet therapy idea is good, they have done something like that too.

I just worry that with him at 97, I may not see and hug him again....well, I do hope I’m wrong. But it does cross my mind.

 

[bogey21]

George, about what's bolded? Is this newly-instituted policy because of COVID-19, or are you saying that as a routine policy no spouses are allowed to visit this floor? If COVID-related of course it's understandable despite its harshness, but absent COVID and the like?

This has never been the historic norm. The policy was implemented because of COVID-19...

George

 

[Bunk]

Hospitals can’t discharge coronavirus patients to nursing homes: Gov. Cuomo

Patients in New York hospitals must now test negative for the coronavirus before they can be discharged to nursing homes, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Sunday — partially reversing a policy that for…

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The power of public outrage. New York Governor Cuomo now says that hospital patients with Covid-19 must now test negative for the virus before hospitals can return them to nursing homes. Also that all nursing home staff must now be tested twice weekly.
Unclear about status of Department of Health March 25 mandate that nursing homes can't even require a Covid-19 test pre-admission.

 

[Brett]

I hadn’t seen my dad since March, he’s in memory care here in Florida and they shut down early. Fortunately so far they are all safe in his facility.

This past week they had a parade...the residents all sat outside, with masks and properly distanced. The families drove by in their cars, the parade, and we all got to see and briefly talk to our loved ones from a distance. It was a good idea. My dad started to cry, though, this has been really hard on him. He is used to my brother and I each visiting him and we also had a companion everyday to walk with him since he is highly vision impaired. No visitors for so many weeks is hard on him.

So it was bittersweet. I hope they open up soon but probably won’t....

It may be a while before nursing homes are fully reopened. I get daily updates and pics from my mother's assisted living facility in northern Virginia.

 

[bluehende]

Hospitals can’t discharge coronavirus patients to nursing homes: Gov. Cuomo

Patients in New York hospitals must now test negative for the coronavirus before they can be discharged to nursing homes, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Sunday — partially reversing a policy that for…

nypost.com

The power of public outrage. New York Governor Cuomo now says that hospital patients with Covid-19 must now test negative for the virus before hospitals can return them to nursing homes. Also that all nursing home staff must now be tested twice weekly.
Unclear about status of Department of Health March 25 mandate that nursing homes can't even require a Covid-19 test pre-admission.

I think it is also that the hospitals now have room to keep them longer. Easier to make decisions when you actually have a choice.

 

[WinniWoman]

Today I decided to try and find % of deaths of nursing home residents in my state and neighboring state. They were on the state sites. This is what I found.


NC total deaths 507
Nursing homes 250
49%

SC total deaths 283
Nursing homes 84
30%

Are they grouping in Assisted living and rehab facilities with nursing homes?

 

[bluehende]

Are they grouping in Assisted living and rehab facilities with nursing homes?

In DE that would be yes. And not sure if every rehab is a nursing home but it would include those without also. Our statistics are over 50% of deaths come from these.

 

[Bunk]

I think it is also that the hospitals now have room to keep them longer. Easier to make decisions when you actually have a choice.

But what if there was actually a choice?

When this decision became known, because the hospitals were overwhelmed and the nursing homes overwhelmed and untrained, people were asking that the Covid patients be sent to the virtually empty Jacob K. Javits Convention Center, which was retrofitted to treat COVID-19 patients, or an even less utilized Navy hospital ship.


From the Wall Street Journal

At a Brooklyn nursing home where at least 50 people have died who were suspected of being infected with the new coronavirus, a top administrator says his center had to go it alone for weeks during the outbreak, with little support from the state or other authorities.

Cobble Hill Health Center Chief Executive Donny Tuchman said some staff wore garbage bags for protection. Some worked 16-hour shifts. And at times, patients were dying so quickly that the center’s refrigerated storage was beyond capacity, forcing workers to rotate bodies in and out as they waited for space at funeral homes or morgues.

With dozens of symptomatic patients and almost no gowns in early April, Mr. Tuchman kept begging for more personal protective equipment.
“There is no way for us to prevent the spread under these conditions,” he wrote to state health officials on April 8, in an email reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. “Is there anything more we can do to protect our patients and staff?”

In return, state officials emailed guidance on how to conserve supplies during a shortage, and a reminder to submit requests daily to New York City’s Office of Emergency Management, a review of the email chain shows. Mr. Tuchman said his appeal to the state to send suspected virus patients to new hospitals on a U.S. Navy ship and at the Javits Center didn’t yield results.
(Wall Street Journal April 23)

This was an email a nursing home sent to the Department of Health (from PBS):

As the virus was racing through his nursing home, the head of Brooklyn’s Cobble Hill Health Center frantically emailed state health officials April 9 asking just that.

“Is there a way for us to send our suspected covid cases to the Javitz center or the ship?” Donny Tuchman wrote.

Tuchman said he was denied permission. Eventually, more than 50 residents at his home would die.

NY's Cuomo criticized over highest nursing home death toll

Of the nation’s more than 25,000 coronavirus deaths in nursing homes and long-term care facilities, more than a fifth of them — about 5,300 — are in New York, according to a count by The Associated Press, and the toll has been increasing by an average of 20 to 25 deaths a day for the past few weeks.

www.pbs.org

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[SteveDavis]

I predict your prayers will be answered, the pandemic 'war' will be won eventually - vaccine, cure, virus disappears
we should be prepared for the next pandemic ....

AMEN!

 

[Panina]

Are they grouping in Assisted living and rehab facilities with nursing homes?

Many nursing homes have rehab too usually on different floors. If they don’t have a room in rehab I have seen them temporarily put a rehab person in a nursing home area.

Usually there is one nurse on duty for a large section of the nursing home floor plus lots of aides. They can also have rotating nurses and aides.

Assisted living is a different facility/building. I have never seen a rehab business in an assisted living community. If rehab is available it is for the residences of the assisted living community.

 

[WinniWoman]

Many nursing homes have rehab too usually on different floors. If they don’t have a room in rehab I have seen them temporarily put a rehab person in a nursing home area.

Usually there is one nurse on duty for a large section of the nursing home floor plus lots of aides. They can also have rotating nurses and aides.

Assisted living is a different facility/building. I have never seen a rehab business in an assisted living community. If rehab is available it is for the residences of the assisted living community.

I am just asking if the number you posted included assisted living facilities, and separate rehab facilities.

 

[Panina]

I am just asking if the number you posted included assisted living facilities, and separate rehab facilities.

No they were not added in, just nursing home