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NO Access to trusts pool by enrolled owners (Marriott's response - post #447)

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Not really sure what you are trying to say in post #111; it seems to me you are pulling things out of context. I copied the entire section not just the snippet from post #111.

II EXERCISE OF MEMBERSHIP PRIVILEGES; MEMBER’S DISTRIBUTION

A. Trust Members. This section only applies to Trust Members. Membership in the Program is not an appurtenance to Interests. In order to enjoy the benefits of Membership in the Program as a Trust Member, the Affiliate Program Manager and/or Association of your Affiliate Program must have voluntarily entered into an Affiliation Agreement with Exchange Company, where the Affiliate Program Manager and/or Association is a member of the Program. Trust Members must comply with all of the terms and conditions of Membership in the Program. During the term of the Affiliation Agreement, Trust Members will have the right to reserve and use the Accommodations, facilities, services, and experiences that are a part of the Program or an Affiliate Program in accordance with these Exchange Procedures. Unless otherwise provided pursuant to the applicable Affiliation Agreement, Trust Members have the right to reserve and use the Accommodations, facilities, services, and experiences that are a part of the Trust Member’s Affiliate Program in accordance with that Affiliate Program’s Affiliate Program Reservation System. If a Trust Member desires to use the Special Benefits that may be offered by Exchange Company from time to time, the Trust Member may voluntarily participate in the Program as described in these Exchange Procedures.
Membership in the Program automatically terminates for a given Trust Member if the Trust Member voluntarily or involuntarily transfers the Trust Member’s Interest and owns no other Interest, or if the Trust Member’s Affiliate Program ceases to be affiliated with the Program because such Affiliate Program’s Affiliation Agreement is terminated or is not renewed.

B. Exchange Members. This section only applies to Exchange Members. Membership in the Program is not an appurtenance to Interests. In order to enjoy the benefits of Membership in the Program as an Exchange Member, an owner of an Interest must have voluntarily entered into an enrollment agreement with Exchange Company. Exchange Members must comply with all of the terms and conditions for Membership in the Program. During the term of the Exchange Member’s enrollment agreement with Exchange Company and so long as an Exchange Member remains enrolled in the Program, Exchange Members will have the right to reserve and use the Accommodations, facilities, services, and experiences that are a part of the Program in accordance with these Exchange Procedures. If an Exchange Member desires to use the Accommodations outside the Exchange Member’s Affiliate Program or access Special Benefits, from time to time, the Exchange Member may voluntarily participate in the Program described in the Disclosure Guide and these Exchange Procedures.

The thing that made it seem like Trust Members and Exchange members were not equivalent are the statemnts I highlighted in red.

But I am not a lawyer to really know what this means...
 
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good evening....

Dioxide...

Let's take this hypothetical. There are 100,000 deeds in the trust. 10,000 new purchasers purchase enough points for 1 unit each. This leaves 90,000 unsold units in the trust. MVCD still owns these. MVCD can put these in the exchange company, leaving the 10,000 newly purchased available for reservations by trust owners. The owners have access for reservations with their owned inventory (10,000) units. MVCD owns the other 90,000 + those converted by legacy owners for MR and DC points. ALL of the MVCD inventory is then put in the exchange company to be made available by any points player with enuf points and status to make the reservation.

I hope this makes sense...
 

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The thing that made it seem like Trust Members and Exchange members were not equivalent are the statemnts I highlighted in red.

But I am not a lawyer to really know what this means...

I'm not a lawyer either and I'm often wrong so.....

But here goes anyhow, the Affiliate program that you have highlighted and underlined seems to be just a potential extra special that Marriott might offer in the future. I copied the definition from the Marriott documents.

"Affiliate Program means a program of benefits and services, as they may exist from time to time, the operator of which has entered into an agreement with Exchange Company through which the Affiliate Program’s members participate in the Program. Participation in the Program is made available on a voluntary basis to Members of an Affiliate Program in accordance with the terms and conditions established by Exchange Company from time to time, in its sole and absolute discretion. Members have the right to reserve and use the Accommodations, facilities, services, and experiences that are a part of the Members’ Affiliate Program in accordance with the Affiliate Program Reservation System for that Member’s Affiliate Program. If a Member desires to use the Accommodations, facilities, services, and experiences that are a part of another Affiliate Program, the Member may voluntarily participate in the Program described in these Exchange Procedures."
 

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good evening...

Does that anyone in TUG land believe Legacy points = Trust points???

If Legacy points < Trust points, regardless of the reason or legalese the system is flawed!!!

We will all find out on 7/26!!!

Please keep in mind that if I wanted points on day 1 (2004), I would have purchased elsewhere!!! I was quite happy in the old world. I never asked for this, but since it was given to us, I desire for legacy owners to have the BEST of both worlds, not the worst!!!

One could make the argument that Trust owners only get to play one game while legacy owners play 2 (weeks or points) but the legacy owners are not the ones that decided for MVCD to stop selling weeks!!! Besides, the skim is a big enough price to pay for two "games"
 

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good evening...

If trust owners own in the trust, Why can they dip into the exchange company inventory outside the trust FIRST, and then enabling a exchange company member to take something out of the trust...

It's a game of chicken and trust owners get the first move!!!

anyway you slice the legalese Legacy points < Trust points. This is wrong!!! Especially after the skim!!!

Another fix is for MVCD is to give the opportunity for legacy week owner to do an equity exchange to convert to trust points. The skim could be the fee for this???

At the end of the day Trust owners are real points players and legacy point users are still "exchangers" and get charged 5%-&% in the "skim" for the privilege...

Do you think the sales reps are telling purchasers they only own in 11 resorts, or they own resorts. Keep in mind until 5 days ago, none of us had this figured out either. This wasn't even considered here or in the speculation thread until Tiel's famous post #16....

Puck, I can't figure out if what you're saying here (where I bolded) is that you understand the fundamental difference between Destination Club purchasers and Enrolled Weeks owners, or if you're surprised to learn now that there is a fundamental difference. Because there is! New owners who purchase a beneficial interest in the Trust ARE "real points players," and Weeks owners who enroll in the Exchange Program ARE "exchangers."

Of course this doesn't help to explain at all the inventory controversy that we're discussing in this thread, or let Marriott off the hook for the way their reps are responding to questions about it. But I'm wondering what it is that makes you think Trust Members and Exchange Members are supposed to be subject to the same rules and procedures, if that is what you think.
 

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good evening....

Dioxide...

Let's take this hypothetical. There are 100,000 deeds in the trust. 10,000 new purchasers purchase enough points for 1 unit each. This leaves 90,000 unsold units in the trust. MVCD still owns these. MVCD can put these in the exchange company, leaving the 10,000 newly purchased available for reservations by trust owners. The owners have access for reservations with their owned inventory (10,000) units. MVCD owns the other 90,000 + those converted by legacy owners for MR and DC points. ALL of the MVCD inventory is then put in the exchange company to be made available by any points player with enuf points and status to make the reservation.

I hope this makes sense...

Yes, this makes sense. Marriott would just be bulk banking points in to the exchange company. I think I referenced this in my cookies and marbles scenario. Marriott doesn't want those trust cookies to go uneaten and spoil.
 

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good evening...

Does that anyone in TUG land believe Legacy points = Trust points???

If Legacy points < Trust points, regardless of the reason or legalese the system is flawed!!!


We will all find out on 7/26!!!

Please keep in mind that if I wanted points on day 1 (2004), I would have purchased elsewhere!!! I was quite happy in the old world. I never asked for this, but since it was given to us, I desire for legacy owners to have the BEST of both worlds, not the worst!!!

One could make the argument that Trust owners only get to play one game while legacy owners play 2 (weeks or points) but the legacy owners are not the ones that decided for MVCD to stop selling weeks!!! Besides, the skim is a big enough price to pay for two "games"

The funny or sad thing is I don't care; I only really care is if I use points can I get the reservation I want. If I get it then that will make me happy. Marriott can pull the inventory from Mars for all I care.
 

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good evening...

Amen, all any of us want is today's vacations at yesterdays prices ( what we initially purchased)...We also want fair and verifiable rules that are clear!!!

This all started when my guru explained to me why I should NOT expect to get the reservations I want on 7/26... I asked Why? and was sent down this path!!!

It is important for legacy owners to know this before they irreversibly convert a week to points... Makes it even more important to hold on to your legacy week and ONLY convert if the inventory you desire is availabilty...

An educated player always performs better. TUG has improved my "game"!!!!
 

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If the big boys take all of the good cookies out of the little boys cookie jar, Marriott can fill the little boy's jar back up with crumbs from the big boy's jar, and as long as the total volume of the little boy's cookie jar remains the same everything is equal.

It actually isn't the same as we all know. One 6000 point Hawaii week taken out of the little boys cookie jar does not really equal six 1000 point shoulder weeks deposited to replace it, but it is supposed to according to points rules.

All I can say is keep your weeks. Also, let Marriott and sales team know you are not happy with the new program. As I said before, If owners do not give up their weeks, the pool for points at resorts will be small. Marriott said they were looking at 20 per cent of owners moving to points. We will keep our week. Whenever I have a problem with a Marriott resort or hotel I let them know about it. I always receive an answer. They do not like to receive complaints. The last hotel we had a problem. We did not spend any money at that hotel. They wanted to know why the charge was only 54.00. I told them I did not like the way we were treated and refused to spend at their hotel. I received an answer fast to my complaint. I even was given a complaint number to follow thru.
 

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I'm not a lawyer either and I'm often wrong so.....

But here goes anyhow, the Affiliate program that you have highlighted and underlined seems to be just a potential extra special that Marriott might offer in the future. I copied the definition from the Marriott documents.

"Affiliate Program means a program of benefits and services, as they may exist from time to time, the operator of which has entered into an agreement with Exchange Company through which the Affiliate Program’s members participate in the Program...

I think the Affiliate Program is not something futuristic... I think it is whatever bucket the enrolled weeks are in. I am basing this based on the statement below (now also highlghted in green in my previous post)

B. Exchange Members. This section only applies to Exchange Members. Membership in the Program is not an appurtenance to Interests. In order to enjoy the benefits of Membership in the Program as an Exchange Member, an owner of an Interest must have voluntarily entered into an enrollment agreement with Exchange Company. Exchange Members must comply with all of the terms and conditions for Membership in the Program. During the term of the Exchange Member’s enrollment agreement with Exchange Company and so long as an Exchange Member remains enrolled in the Program, Exchange Members will have the right to reserve and use the Accommodations, facilities, services, and experiences that are a part of the Program in accordance with these Exchange Procedures. If an Exchange Member desires to use the Accommodations outside the Exchange Member’s Affiliate Program or access Special Benefits, from time to time, the Exchange Member may voluntarily participate in the Program described in the Disclosure Guide and these Exchange Procedures.Given this interpretation, if you read the statement that says Trust Members can reserve in the Program AND Affiliate program it makes it sound they can reserve in both buckets...

Trust Members will have the right to reserve and use the Accommodations, facilities, services, and experiences that are a part of the Program or an Affiliate Program in accordance with these Exchange Procedures.

This is pretty much the extent of my interpretation...
 
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Puck, I can't figure out if what you're saying here (where I bolded) is that you understand the fundamental difference between Destination Club purchasers and Enrolled Weeks owners, or if you're surprised to learn now that there is a fundamental difference. Because there is! New owners who purchase a beneficial interest in the Trust ARE "real points players," and Weeks owners who enroll in the Exchange Program ARE "exchangers."

Of course this doesn't help to explain at all the inventory controversy that we're discussing in this thread, or let Marriott off the hook for the way their reps are responding to questions about it. But I'm wondering what it is that makes you think Trust Members and Exchange Members are supposed to be subject to the same rules and procedures, if that is what you think.

Susan - you make it sound like it's obvious that Legacy points need to trade inventory with trust points. Until a couple of days ago everyone here was convinced that points are points. Nobody envisioned that they were going to trade inventory with the trust or that retail points are different ("better") than legacy points. In fact, why would they make you buy 1000 more points if you can't access the same inventory with your legacy points...?

If the story now is that the system is built that legacy points are inferior (or let's say unequal) to trust points, people have the right to be upset about that. Nobody had a clue it would work that way until very recently. Why would a resale buyer pay $2K to go from one asterisk to another? Why would a retail owner pay just so they can become a second class point owner?

If this is how the system is built Mariott should be the one paying us to enroll...
 

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Excellent post!!! :clap:

After reading this whole thread :wall: along with reading a lot of the other stuff here over the past 3 weeks, I think you're interpretation of legaleze is right on the money!

I think the reason everybody is getting conflicting answers from Marriott is because the reps haven't been trained that well and they're frankly just pulling stuff out of their a$$. The sales folks are even worse because they will twist things whichever way suits them best in order to try and make a sale, and this confusion allows them to get away with some of this crapola.

I'm in complete agreement with kedler and IMO this entire thread is much to do about nothing! :zzz:
Thanks!!!!
 

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Susan - you make it sound like it's obvious that Legacy points need to trade inventory with trust points. Until a couple of days ago everyone here was convinced that points are points. Nobody envisioned that they were going to trade inventory with the trust or that retail points are different ("better") than legacy points. In fact, why would they make you buy 1000 more points if you can't access the same inventory with your legacy points...?

If the story now is that the system is built that legacy points are inferior (or let's say unequal) to trust points, people have the right to be upset about that. Nobody had a clue it would work that way until very recently. Why would a resale buyer pay $2K to go from one asterisk to another? Why would a retail owner pay just so they can become a second class point owner?

If this is how the system is built Mariott should be the one paying us to enroll...

I'm not sure why anybody would think "points are points" and not think the inventory needs to be accounted for somehow - that's certainly not an impression I had of anyone's position a few days ago. And I'm not trying to make it sound obvious at all that we should know how the inventory will be accessed by Trust Members or enrolled Exchange Members - I've said a number of times that there isn't enough substantiation in the docs for us to form a definitive answer without some kind of official statement from Marriott.

When the other thread and then this one really got rolling yesterday, my concern wasn't so much the issues of how inventory would be accounted for between the two groups of owners, but rather that some Marriott reps were quoted saying that enrolled Exchange Members would have NO access to Trust inventory, ever. I honestly don't know how we could expect that the two different ownership groups would be subject to the same rules and procedures - the one thing the docs do make clear is that there are provisions which apply to only one or the other. But no Trust access ever for exchanges by Enrolled Weeks owners? That made no sense then, and still doesn't.

The fact that a Wait List provision is included in the Exchange Procedures led me to believe that exchanges would not always be available instantly, which naturally leads to expectations of some kind of inventory allocation. I still don't know for certain how the inventory will be allocated but I suspect, as do others here, that Exchange Members will have access to Trust inventory whenever Trust Members exchange to non-Trust inventory or for Marriott Rewards Points or for other Destination Club options, etc... And I don't believe that the points inventory in the Trust that will be available to Exchange Members is going to be affixed to a certain interval prior to an exchange request being made - I think it will be (as someone else here said so much more clearly) on a points-in-points-out basis.

Of course I could be totally wrong in thinking that this workable model is the one that Marriott will employ, just as wrong as anybody's conjectures in this thread are. But there are some posts from others that back this set-up, and they're the ones I agree with. Like everyone else, though, I want Marriott to step up and do the right thing here and make an official statement to clarify this issue - they never should have allowed their reps to be so completely unprepared or ill-informed which caused the contradictions in this thread.

As far as buying more Points and how that would mesh (or not) with the points allotted for enrolled week(s), I haven't given that any thought at all because I have no intention to buy more points. My concern with it is only that, again, there have been two completely contradictory statements about it from several Marriott reps. That's just not acceptable.

What I DO still believe, (and you'll say again that I'm a Marriott apologist, I'm sure) is that enrolling my Weeks was a good decision, despite the confusion. For a relatively low cost I am gaining another usage option, however it ultimately works, while keeping access to all of the same usage options that are available to every un-enrolled Weeks owner. And that's what has always been most important to me - getting the best usage value out of my purchases.
 

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What I DO still believe, (and you'll say again that I'm a Marriott apologist, I'm sure) is that enrolling my Weeks was a good decision, despite the confusion. For a relatively low cost I am gaining another usage option, however it ultimately works, while keeping access to all of the same usage options that are available to every un-enrolled Weeks owner. And that's what has always been most important to me - getting the best usage value out of my purchases.

You have so many point that geting skimmed 1500-2000 points probably doesn't affect you much. I still maintain you could do better exchanges in II if you bothered to learn that game, but you seem happier paying the hefty costs that comes with the (alleged) flexibily of the program.

I don't think you are a Marriott apologist for enrolling, but I am generally not an early adopter of anything (iPhone 4 - nuff said). I think it is premature for anyone to enroll in this program before they see how this works, especially with no imminent deadline (the only official deadline if Dec 31 to get 800 bonus points) and so many undisclosed issues. There is nothing wrong with waiting 12-18 months... If I don't have the itch to see the next James Cameron movie on day 1 at midnight, and I don't care if I buy the iPad on Christmas rather than now, then I certainly don't care if I'm there to make a reservation on July 26, but that's just me :)
 

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You have so many point that geting skimmed 1500-2000 points probably doesn't affect you much. I still maintain you could do better exchanges in II if you bothered to learn that game, but you seem happier paying the hefty costs that comes with the (alleged) flexibily of the program.

I don't think you are a Marriott apologist for enrolling, but I am generally not an early adopter of anything (iPhone 4 - nuff said). I think it is premature for anyone to enroll in this program before they see how this works, especially with no imminent deadline (the only official deadline if Dec 31 to get 800 bonus points) and so many undisclosed issues. There is nothing wrong with waiting 12-18 months... If I don't have the itch to see the next James Cameron movie on day 1 at midnight, and I don't care if I buy the iPad on Christmas rather than now, then I certainly don't care if I'm there to make a reservation on July 26, but that's just me :)

I couldn't care less about skim. You think that's blasphemy, I know. ;) But "it is what it is," there's nothing I can do about it, and it makes no difference to me. My first thought when it was mentioned 83 seconds after the docs were released on Jun 20th was "wtf" but right after that I looked at what I was getting along with the Points Charts for use.

As far as II, if I had been a recipient of that infamous survey I would have been one of the folks screaming, "give me something, anything!, that isn't II!" I don't like it. I don't like searching, I don't like not knowing until check-in which view we'll get, I don't like that they don't have uniform procedures for every user and that you have to be one of the "chosen few" to take advantage of their unpublished perks. The only thing I really do like about II is Getaways and hopefully we'll have access to them as Enrolled Weeks owners but if we don't ... oh well.

On July 26th I'll be trying to do something with my points to match up to a 6/18/11 week that's already booked, so I wanted to be enrolled for that. Even without the timing, though, I probably wouldn't have waited. Patience isn't one of my virtues. :D
 

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PS Dan, totally unrelated to this --

If you're saying that you are an early iPhone4 buyer, do you know Apple is having a press conference tomorrow? 9 or 10AM I think? My 25-yo is an Apple junkie and his iPhone4 is the very first Apple product that's made him curse. He's thinking that they'll announce tomorrow that the bumper (?) which has been priced at $30 will be given freely to all iPhone4 buyers. Check it out ...
 

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PS Dan, totally unrelated to this --

If you're saying that you are an early iPhone4 buyer, do you know Apple is having a press conference tomorrow? 9 or 10AM I think? My 25-yo is an Apple junkie and his iPhone4 is the very first Apple product that's made him curse. He's thinking that they'll announce tomorrow that the bumper (?) which has been priced at $30 will be given freely to all iPhone4 buyers. Check it out ...

I buy my phones unlocked at full retail price so no iPhone for me. I'm actually more excited about the Nokia N8 coming out than the latest iPhone. Even if I was an Apple fanatic (which I'm not) I wouldn't buy any of their products on day one. In fact, I'd wait 6-12 months for them to come out with a better one at a lower price. So even if I was ecstatic about the points program, I would not rush to enroll and don't think anyone should.

Apple has good products but is a very arrogant company and it's evidenced by the recent debacle. As for their press conference, if they think a $30 piece of plastic will make this go away, they may be in for a surpise - but that's a topic for th TUG lounge...
 
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Sue...

Yes, I admit it!!! I read all 2700 posts in the speculation thread. On 6/20 I looked at the website new. I watched "sophie" the cute MVCD rep in the "ease of use" videos. I actually read the enrollment documents (painful stuff). I don't know from timeshare laws etc. I am just a poor sap who put out good money for a vacation product, which I have loved so far... I learn about all of the advantages of points. I listen to the "shpiel" about having it ALL.


Yes, I thought points were points. So did everyone else here!!!!

BocaBum said it correctly. There has to be legal ways to ensure 1 pool of points inventory. I have outlined some MCVD doesn't want to!

I do not believe for a second that if I just stay in weeks, nothing changes. II inventory has to diminish. It is almost a physical certainty. Thus the creation of this boondoggle, enhances opportunities for trust owners at the expense of legacy owners!!

At the end of the day, weeks usage diminishes and the legacy owner doesn't get ALL of the points benefits.

Legacy points < Trust points.

I am not happy about it. I will test drive on 7/26 to try and make it work just as you are doing but I will scream from the rooftops in the process...
 
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I have no experience with points and I am currently in wait and see mode, and mostly lurking on this thread.

One question to ponder - Is the point rental market going to be considerably more complicated than some anticipated if there are two classes of points? With maybe two prices? And . . . etc.
 

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I think the Affiliate Program is not something futuristic... I think it is whatever bucket the enrolled weeks are in. I am basing this based on the statement below (now also highlghted in green in my previous post)

B. Exchange Members. This section only applies to Exchange Members. Membership in the Program is not an appurtenance to Interests. In order to enjoy the benefits of Membership in the Program as an Exchange Member, an owner of an Interest must have voluntarily entered into an enrollment agreement with Exchange Company. Exchange Members must comply with all of the terms and conditions for Membership in the Program. During the term of the Exchange Member’s enrollment agreement with Exchange Company and so long as an Exchange Member remains enrolled in the Program, Exchange Members will have the right to reserve and use the Accommodations, facilities, services, and experiences that are a part of the Program in accordance with these Exchange Procedures. If an Exchange Member desires to use the Accommodations outside the Exchange Member’s Affiliate Program or access Special Benefits, from time to time, the Exchange Member may voluntarily participate in the Program described in the Disclosure Guide and these Exchange Procedures.Given this interpretation, if you read the statement that says Trust Members can reserve in the Program AND Affiliate program it makes it sound they can reserve in both buckets...

Trust Members will have the right to reserve and use the Accommodations, facilities, services, and experiences that are a part of the Program or an Affiliate Program in accordance with these Exchange Procedures.

This is pretty much the extent of my interpretation...
The Exchange Members' Affiliate Program is MVC - our right to reserve our week in accordance with our deeded interest and pursuant to all the existing rules, terms and conditions.

The Trust Member's Affiliate Program is the MVCD Trust Plan/Agreement - the right to reserve, use and occupy Trust Property in accordance with their deeded interest and pursuant to all the terms and conditions of the Trust Plan.

If either side wants to make reservations outside their Affiliate Program they need to use one or more exchange companies - MEC or II.

The average Trust or Exchange member will not understand any of this information but will just call up Marriott (or eventually go on the internet) to make an internal reservation or use II to make an external reservation.

Trust members don't have to pay an enrollment fee in MEC they are automatically enrolled and Club Dues are paid for one year.

Exchange members have to "enroll" if they want to use MEC to get the best (or worst depending on your point of view) of both worlds.

TUG Members torture ourselves in an attempt to understand the system well enough to use it to maximum advantage! Frankly IMO only time and lots of posted information from people using the system when it goes live will really tell us how well the MEC Program works.

We enrolled and bought points because we think its right for our vacation needs. We know there are flaws in the system but the pros out weighted the cons for us.

We, like many others, will see how it works on 7/26 when I try to make a reservation for 2011. I'll post my experiences with the MEC program when I get a reservation.
 

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At the extreme - if there are no trust points owners yet (so no exchanges from trust), and Marriott sticks by the rules they defined, and you are the only person converting in a given year then you have access to zero inventory in points?

Good question. I had the same one. In this extreme case, a legacy person converts to points which are useless because there is nothing to spend them on. In theory, I guess, the only week "deposited" for points is his own, which, due to skim, he does not have enough points to buy back. I have to think this is not legal and because of that there is no way Marriott creates this 2-class points pool. Imagine the problem for Marriott if an owner could show he paid a fee to "enroll" his weeks for points and now was given NOTHING.
I honestly believe this entire argument is hysteria over nothing.
 

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I have no experience with points and I am currently in wait and see mode, and mostly lurking on this thread.

One question to ponder - Is the point rental market going to be considerably more complicated than some anticipated if there are two classes of points? With maybe two prices? And . . . etc.

It shouldn't be. WorldMark has at least 3 different types of Credits and it is very easy to manage and track.

However, in WorldMark, credits are credits.

What isn't clear is if you are a legacy points owner. Will your account be able to accept Trust points?

We need to understand the rules for how points can be combined for usage.

Marriott has some explaining to do. I'll bet the executives that approved this program doesn't know the answers to these questions either. The probably went into a room with a bunch of developers, gave the very high level direction they wanted to go and said "call me when it's done"

The way this program looks to be implemented is absolutely crazy.
 

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I was the OP of the original thread that infamously took a turn at post #16. :)
When we were at the presentation at MCV, and after we refused to buy points or enroll our weeks, we had to sign a document that states we could not enroll our weeks later if we changed our mind. It was now or never.
I HATE this tactic and simply made it easier to decline.

Diamond Resorts has the same policy and we declined their program as well.
 

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What would have happened if you had told them to f*ck off and just walked out? Try it sometime. Crazy is in :)
When we were at the presentation at MCV, and after we refused to buy points or enroll our weeks, we had to sign a document that states we could not enroll our weeks later if we changed our mind. It was now or never.
 

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I was the OP of the original thread that infamously took a turn at post #16. :)
When we were at the presentation at MCV, and after we refused to buy points or enroll our weeks, we had to sign a document that states we could not enroll our weeks later if we changed our mind. It was now or never.
I HATE this tactic and simply made it easier to decline.

Diamond Resorts has the same policy and we declined their program as well.

Seriously??? Now I'm glad we refused to even attend the points presentation on our recent trip to MGC. It doesn't seem like this is legal to force you to sign a document saying you could never change your mind. Un-American!:(
 
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