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Marriott Destination Points...They have done it!!!!!! {Merged}

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I think you'll get an AC if you have more than 1 year left with Interval, and a second one at the end of 2 years if you have 36 or more months on your Interval subscription



Can anyone that got an offer for the AC's post the details that are known. For instance, is there an additional fee or is the fee included in the $165 / $199 Club Fees, any limitations on use such as holdiays, does the Marriott preference pertain? Would I get 3 weeks if there was 5 years left?
 

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The new exchange program is governed by Florida Law. Here is a link to the statute relating to exchange programs in Florida.

Was not trying to imply that CA law necessarily applied- just that not all "points" are necessarily equal from a legal perspective.

But your post does beg another question: If you own a Marriott deeded week (say) in Palm Springs, CA and then sign up for the points program (apparently subject to FL law), does CA law no longer apply to your original purchase?

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At first, I though the points we got were tied into the developer's price. Now I am thinking it is based on what Marriott needs to start the program rolling. There are 11-14 of the resorts in the trust, so they have weeks to start the program rolling. They probably have a lot of NCV point weeks (new buildings built), which is maybe why we were offered only 3450 and summer is worth 4700. It is not that owners' deeded NCV weeks are worth under the median price of platinum season, its that They dont need our weeks and probably dont want them. They have enough NCV to work in the system. I bet the owners offered the most points are the ones in high demand and Marriott has no points/weeks to use. Marriott needs those points to get the program running and are enticing the owners of the needed weeks to join. I hope they cant lower our points when they have more than enough weeks in our specific resort, some here with great point packages may lose some.

This concerns me a bit as if they only have a limited number weeks around but a large number of NCV weeks, will the new point owners take NCV summer as it is all that's there? Even if it is 2 seperate week banks, nothing I have seen says the points bank cannot take a larger part of the summer, just as long as the deeded week owners have some weeks to reserve.
 

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I see you didn't find the language. Or did you forget to put the link here?

They do not guarantee that values on the points charts will not change. Yep, it's right there on the chart itself. But they do not have the right to increase all points in a points chart for a single resort across the board, the way you're insinuating. They can re-allocate according to demand, which means that the days/unit I might get today for 1000 points might be 1200 sometime in the future, but that will have to be offset by a 200 point reduction somewhere else in the calendar. They cannot simply add 200 or however many points to every value whenever they please.

I am not trying to be argumentative here- but in reality what has to stay stable? I know that, if they assign x points to each villa and there are y villas, then they can sell (x)(y)(51, allowing for a week's maintenance, which is what I think they do) points- right? In a fully sold out resort today, is that total point allotment reflected in the point assignment or the point cost, because they are two very different sums at many properties.

Take Aruba, for example, because the total point allotments given owners there are significantly less than the total point costs to book the weeks. In reality, isn't only the point allotment (which would correspond to the number of points which could be sold in total for the resort) really the figure that has to be fixed in totality (they can change the point allotment between weeks, but not the sum total)?

If I am right and that's the case, then what stops them from changing the point charge down the road to whatever they feel the market can bear? They already aren't giving the point cost as the point allotment in many cases, so what is to prevent them from widening the gap?

Moreover, they reserve the right to change the point assignments, if I remember correctly up to 10% a year. Potentially, that can amount to a lot of devaluation.

The disappointing thing about this program is that Marriott has shown that it doesn't feel an obligation to give owners equal value for what they are giving up. I have literally been told (by a Marirott rep) that the program was not designed to replace weeks and that you will get your best value booking your owned week and trading in weeks. It was a program designed with a cost for the flexibility. Make no mistake- the annual cost is not the $169 or $199 you're paying only- the program was designed to give Marriott a commission on every points exchange. If point value are subject to change at up to 10% a year, you can just about guarantee that, over time, Marriott will take a little more at a time.

Keep in mind these three words: reward points program. Think about how angry many of you were last time those 7 night packages suddenly shrunk to 5 nights, and the point cost for them went up to boot.

I liken this to the exchange for reward points program. The number of points allocated was fixed on day one, but the redemption costs have escalated over time, so that the allocated points suffered several major devaluations.

Am I missing something here, or is this a very real possibility?
 
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Can anyone that got an offer for the AC's post the details that are known. For instance, is there an additional fee or is the fee included in the $165 / $199 Club Fees, any limitations on use such as holdiays, does the Marriott preference pertain? Would I get 3 weeks if there was 5 years left?

From what I was told you would get an AC for years 1,3 and 5. They would not be bonus weeks deposited but regular AC's and you'd have to pay the usual associated fees.
 

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Oh holy jeebers, my brain hurts. :doh:

I've read everything I can get my hands on and have to admit, there isn't enough protection in what I've seen to say that Marriott can't increase (or decrease!) points unrelated to re-allocations. But I have a list of specific questions for when I call in on Monday. Interestingly, the one and only specific thing about re-allocation that I did find said that if a Special Benefit was offered on certain inventory at reduced costs, Marriott wouldn't increase point costs in the usage calendar to cover those reductions. But there are quite a few references to changes in the point totals for usage as well as allotments - most make reference to demand, but not all.

So my big fat mouth ran away with itself again. (I KNOW! I'm as surprised as you are! :hysterical: )

BUT I am still leaning towards continuing with the enrollment, and that's not my big fat mouth talking. I've read all of the posts both pro and con, tried to figure out if those that I don't necessarily agree with make sense for my usage, considered carefully the opinions of every TUG poster whose personalities I recognize (whether we agree or not) ... and STILL have come to the conclusion that from all appearances, if you have a decent point total allotted to you with this rollout then your chances are better that Enrolled Points will work out better for you than staying with Weeks. That's where I am. As a Premier Plus member with underlying weeks which do offer what appears to be reasonable points value - compared to some other resorts where I think the allotments are unfair - I have no question that I will do better with this than with exchanging Weeks in II. That's a huge concern to me - I think II inventory is going to be severely impacted based on the fact that Marriott can pull II deposits to satisfy both Weeks and Points exchange requests. Home resort usage isn't so much a concern because the deeded reservation procedures will protect that usage as much as possible.

So yes, I know points may change. But I don't think Marriott is out to screw any of us. I think they'll want to make this work for themselves, think they HAVE to make it work for themselves, and to do that they will have to keep enrollees and new buyers somewhat happy. The points charts look like they've already done quite a bit of fiddling with the Season calendars to reflect demand, and they're not going to sabotage their own success by devaluing the program at the first opportunity. It might be a slow and steady decline, but so won't the usage in Weeks/II as near as I can figure. Plus I'm an optimist - there is a very real possibility that Marriott will do right. :D

And I'm sorry, but "skim" just isn't a concern to me. The allotted values are what they are, I just can't get worked up over anything I can't control. Skim is going to exist whether I enroll or not. Those of you who make this your hill to die on, well, more power to you - no one can say you don't have the courage of your convictions. But I just want to figure out how my timeshare weeks will work best for me.

So on Monday I'll be calling for some answers and if I learn anything new and improved, you'll be the first to know.
 

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Oh holy jeebers, my brain hurts. :doh:

I've read everything I can get my hands on and have to admit, there isn't enough protection in what I've seen to say that Marriott can't increase (or decrease!) points unrelated to re-allocations. But I have a list of specific questions for when I call in on Monday. Interestingly, the one and only specific thing about re-allocation that I did find said that if a Special Benefit was offered on certain inventory at reduced costs, Marriott wouldn't increase point costs in the usage calendar to cover those reductions. But there are quite a few references to changes in the point totals for usage as well as allotments - most make reference to demand, but not all.

So my big fat mouth ran away with itself again. (I KNOW! I'm as surprised as you are! :hysterical: )

BUT I am still leaning towards continuing with the enrollment, and that's not my big fat mouth talking. I've read all of the posts both pro and con, tried to figure out if those that I don't necessarily agree with make sense for my usage, considered carefully the opinions of every TUG poster whose personalities I recognize (whether we agree or not) ... and STILL have come to the conclusion that from all appearances, if you have a decent point total allotted to you with this rollout then your chances are better that Enrolled Points will work out better for you than staying with Weeks. That's where I am. As a Premier Plus member with underlying weeks which do offer what appears to be reasonable points value - compared to some other resorts where I think the allotments are unfair - I have no question that I will do better with this than with exchanging Weeks in II. That's a huge concern to me - I think II inventory is going to be severely impacted based on the fact that Marriott can pull II deposits to satisfy both Weeks and Points exchange requests. Home resort usage isn't so much a concern because the deeded reservation procedures will protect that usage as much as possible.

So yes, I know points may change. But I don't think Marriott is out to screw any of us. I think they'll want to make this work for themselves, think they HAVE to make it work for themselves, and to do that they will have to keep enrollees and new buyers somewhat happy. The points charts look like they've already done quite a bit of fiddling with the Season calendars to reflect demand, and they're not going to sabotage their own success by devaluing the program at the first opportunity. It might be a slow and steady decline, but so won't the usage in Weeks/II as near as I can figure. Plus I'm an optimist - there is a very real possibility that Marriott will do right. :D

And I'm sorry, but "skim" just isn't a concern to me. The allotted values are what they are, I just can't get worked up over anything I can't control. Skim is going to exist whether I enroll or not. Those of you who make this your hill to die on, well, more power to you - no one can say you don't have the courage of your convictions. But I just want to figure out how my timeshare weeks will work best for me.

So on Monday I'll be calling for some answers and if I learn anything new and improved, you'll be the first to know.

I am growing to love you (in a platonic way) in spite of the fact that we never agree on how Marriott is treating it's owners. You are in favor of whatever Marriott does and you trust them to do what is right for owners. I don't trust Marriott at all and I feel that they will cheat you whenever they can. In spite of our differing opinions I like listening to what you have to say. I really feel from the bottom of my heart that what I post is true and that if you convert to points that you will forever be sorry, but you have blind faith in Marriott and will convert with nothing in writing keeoing them from infating pponts costs in upcoming years. I feel sure that I am right and you are wrong, but only time will tell for sure. No matter how it turns out I hope we can remain friends even though I am almost positive that my predictions will proven to be correct and you will eventually regret putting so much trust in Marriott and their points program. :shrug:
 
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This concerns me a bit as if they only have a limited number weeks around but a large number of NCV weeks, will the new point owners take NCV summer as it is all that's there? Even if it is 2 seperate week banks, nothing I have seen says the points bank cannot take a larger part of the summer, just as long as the deeded week owners have some weeks to reserve.

FWIW, I was able to get two July weeks at 13 months out (2-3 weeks before the program launched). On the other hand, I later talked to a rep who told me there were 300 people who called and didn't get a 2011 week that day.
 

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But I don't think Marriott is out to screw any of us.

Seriously? What do they need to do for you to think otherwise? Isn't destroying the resale value of your VOIs enough?
 

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At first, I though the points we got were tied into the developer's price. Now I am thinking it is based on what Marriott needs to start the program rolling. There are 11-14 of the resorts in the trust, so they have weeks to start the program rolling. They probably have a lot of NCV point weeks (new buildings built), which is maybe why we were offered only 3450 and summer is worth 4700. It is not that owners' deeded NCV weeks are worth under the median price of platinum season, its that They dont need our weeks and probably dont want them. They have enough NCV to work in the system. I bet the owners offered the most points are the ones in high demand and Marriott has no points/weeks to use. Marriott needs those points to get the program running and are enticing the owners of the needed weeks to join. I hope they cant lower our points when they have more than enough weeks in our specific resort, some here with great point packages may lose some.

This concerns me a bit as if they only have a limited number weeks around but a large number of NCV weeks, will the new point owners take NCV summer as it is all that's there? Even if it is 2 seperate week banks, nothing I have seen says the points bank cannot take a larger part of the summer, just as long as the deeded week owners have some weeks to reserve.
It seems to me to relate to relative demand for a given resort and week. This is the best method to be used. However, the spread is dramaticallly more than I would have expected.

As for trust in Marriott, I'll again point out that essentially that's what we have in the old system as well as the new. No matter what the deed or POS says, the system is only as good or bad as Marriott is. It's funny to me that some want to make it Marriott's responsibility for resale value. I can't even imagine a timeshare developer sitting around in a meeting saying "we can't do X because it will hurt owners resale value". In their mind it's essentially zero when you walk out the door.
 

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Hi Frank,

My situation and concerns about the new system's effect on my usage is very similar to yours! Maybe we and other Maui owners can do our own trading of weeks, since we too like to do two weeks every other year, even though we own an every year unit. That way we don't have to pay Marriott's point inflation for the priviledge of using our week at our resort. That is assuming that we can get a week that we want, since it seems that premium members will be able to book in advance of us:annoyed: Do you want to share our weeks, so that we can get the 13 month advantage?;)

Sounds good to me!!! I know I had looked into a few other trade sites before, and it just didn't seem likely I would get back in to my own resort. However, with the new system, if there are enough people that do not join, and the II pool is raided, then maybe that market place will be filled rather quickly.

On sharing our week for 13 months, sounds like another great idea - too bad it is not possible!:D However, if we did join points, and we all had Maui 1bdr, mtn/grdn views, it would take 5 weeks to get premier status; and $7,500 for all of us to join, assuming resales. So, we have me and you, now we just need 3 more 1 week owners to "pool" our points, and we can then be treated "special" by Marriott. How fantastic!!!!:hysterical:
 

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ownertrades.com

They just sent out a blast email (some of you may have also gotten it) hoping to capture those of us who do not want to be in the points system.

Here it is


This email is going to all www.ownertrades.com members

Hello Laraine

Marriott has just announced a program that allows owners to buy into a new
points-based exchange program that allows exchanging within the Marriott system
of resorts. This is an option that may impact some ownertrades.com members.

This new program costs $595 to join if you have a single resort week or $695 to
join if you have two or more (joining fees are higher if you bought from someone
other than Marriott). It also has an annual fee of (currently) $165 to belong
($195 for multiple weeks), which incudes some kind of Interval International
membership which, to my understanding, does not allow you personally to browse
Interval's website for exchanges (somehow Marriott does this *for* you,
perceived as a "negative" by many owners).

At the bottom of this email are some links to the Marriott website where their
program is explained.

Now -- as ownertrades.com members, you have for years been able to exchange with
each other for free, or at most pay the $10 membership payment. Since many of
you will no doubt decide against paying the "initiation" and annual fees to
Marriott to join their program,

OUR INTENTION IS TO CONTINUE PROVIDING FREE EXCHANGE SERVICES FOR EXISTING
OWNERS WHO DO NOT WANT TO PAY THESE NEW MARRIOTT FEES.

WHAT WE NEED FROM YOU: Your continued support and use of ownertrades.com (a
special thanks to those of you who pay the small $10 annual membership fee --
without you there would be no point in my continuing to run the site)

Since new owners buying into the Marriott system only get "points" (not a deeded
week at a resort), they will not be candidates for membership in ownertrades.com

It is the several hundred thousand existing Marriott owners, a large portion of
whom will not join the new, expensive Marriott program who need to hear about
ownertrades.com from YOU !

Read about the new program below. And then, if like many, you decide that
program is not for you, then it is more important than ever that you support
ownertrades.com

Here is a link to Marriotts website where you can inform yourself about the new
Marriott program yourself (you will need to login to their site):

https://www.my-vacationclub.com/en-us/owners/pointsintro/why.html

Here is a link that shows how many points it takes to reserve in some other
Marriott location:

http://veljovich.com/tugpoints/points_charts.pdf

I am looking forward to increased ownertrades.com participation from you after
you come to understand this new offering from Marriott.

Best Regards,

Webmaster Clark
 

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It seems to me to relate to relative demand for a given resort and week. This is the best method to be used. However, the spread is dramaticallly more than I would have expected.

As for trust in Marriott, I'll again point out that essentially that's what we have in the old system as well as the new. No matter what the deed or POS says, the system is only as good or bad as Marriott is. It's funny to me that some want to make it Marriott's responsibility for resale value. I can't even imagine a timeshare developer sitting around in a meeting saying "we can't do X because it will hurt owners resale value". In their mind it's essentially zero when you walk out the door.

Hi Dean,

I totally get what you are saying with the resale values and agreee 100%.

However, one of the things I like about DVC is that they have an agressive ROFR program, which they exercise if the price gets to cheap. Also, I own resale points and direct purchase DVC points, and DVC can care less - I get all the same privelages either way. In other words, whether they mean to or not, my DVC points have always been about the same price and they have protected my resale value, and the logic of buying from them directly vs. resale.

I owned DVC before my Marriott, and was surprised to see how Marriott said they would buy things back, but often let things go at 50% of retail or even way less than that. They seem to not care for resale owners too much either; which I get from them every time they "invite me" to the sales pitch when I stay at a Marriott TS, which hey, we are maintenance fee paying members, they should not care how I got in. Plus, the resale that I bought at 50% of retail, has now gone down about 30% for me, so if I wanted to resell it, I loose money, just like the other Marriott owners who bought direct, so Marriott should have pity on me, right?;)

Anyway, just pointing out some differences in the 2 systems, which I know you are 100% aware of, but others may not be, so I thought I would throw it out there.
 

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They just sent out a blast email (some of you may have also gotten it) hoping to capture those of us who do not want to be in the points system.

Here it is


This email is going to all www.ownertrades.com members

Hello Laraine

Marriott has just announced a program that allows owners to buy into a new
points-based exchange program that allows exchanging within the Marriott system
of resorts. This is an option that may impact some ownertrades.com members.

This new program costs $595 to join if you have a single resort week or $695 to
join if you have two or more (joining fees are higher if you bought from someone
other than Marriott). It also has an annual fee of (currently) $165 to belong
($195 for multiple weeks), which incudes some kind of Interval International
membership which, to my understanding, does not allow you personally to browse
Interval's website for exchanges (somehow Marriott does this *for* you,
perceived as a "negative" by many owners).

At the bottom of this email are some links to the Marriott website where their
program is explained.

Now -- as ownertrades.com members, you have for years been able to exchange with
each other for free, or at most pay the $10 membership payment. Since many of
you will no doubt decide against paying the "initiation" and annual fees to
Marriott to join their program,

OUR INTENTION IS TO CONTINUE PROVIDING FREE EXCHANGE SERVICES FOR EXISTING
OWNERS WHO DO NOT WANT TO PAY THESE NEW MARRIOTT FEES.

WHAT WE NEED FROM YOU: Your continued support and use of ownertrades.com (a
special thanks to those of you who pay the small $10 annual membership fee --
without you there would be no point in my continuing to run the site)

Since new owners buying into the Marriott system only get "points" (not a deeded
week at a resort), they will not be candidates for membership in ownertrades.com

It is the several hundred thousand existing Marriott owners, a large portion of
whom will not join the new, expensive Marriott program who need to hear about
ownertrades.com from YOU !

Read about the new program below. And then, if like many, you decide that
program is not for you, then it is more important than ever that you support
ownertrades.com

Here is a link to Marriotts website where you can inform yourself about the new
Marriott program yourself (you will need to login to their site):

https://www.my-vacationclub.com/en-us/owners/pointsintro/why.html

Here is a link that shows how many points it takes to reserve in some other
Marriott location:

http://veljovich.com/tugpoints/points_charts.pdf

I am looking forward to increased ownertrades.com participation from you after
you come to understand this new offering from Marriott.

Best Regards,

Webmaster Clark

Thanks for this!! I never joined because of the fee, and was not sure that I would ever get a trade - but I am signing up right now with them. $10.00 to potentially protect my options is a lot better than $1,495.00 and a prayer.
 

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I can't even imagine a timeshare developer sitting around in a meeting saying "we can't do X because it will hurt owners resale value". In their mind it's essentially zero when you walk out the door.

Well, then maybe they should tell you that when you buy rather than imply in various timeshares appreciate in value.

It's be a great pitch. "Pay $30K + $1000 in MFs for the rest of your life. Over the next 10 years, the cost of your vacations will be $4000/year or approximately $600/night. A lifetime of prepaid vacations!"
 

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Thanks for this!! I never joined because of the fee, and was not sure that I would ever get a trade - but I am signing up right now with them. $10.00 to potentially protect my options is a lot better than $1,495.00 and a prayer.

I am doing the same and hope 10,000's of others do too.
 

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I am doing the same and hope 10,000's of others do too.

I'm in...( or is it out...lol) I see no value in the points I'm alotted and the verbage of all of this "policy" and especially that they can take a unit I deposit with an exchange company and use it to prop up their point system makes me sick.
 

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It seems to me to relate to relative demand for a given resort and week. This is the best method to be used. However, the spread is dramaticallly more than I would have expected.

As for trust in Marriott, I'll again point out that essentially that's what we have in the old system as well as the new. No matter what the deed or POS says, the system is only as good or bad as Marriott is. It's funny to me that some want to make it Marriott's responsibility for resale value. I can't even imagine a timeshare developer sitting around in a meeting saying "we can't do X because it will hurt owners resale value". In their mind it's essentially zero when you walk out the door.

You must have never sat through a Marriott timeshare presentation and mentioned resales. Marriott bragged that their resales values were one the highest in the industry thanks to ROFR. I was told that every time I attended a Marriott slaes presentation. I was also told that I would never actually own a cheap resale Marriott because marriott would ROFR it. Both turned out to be lies, but Marriott DID proudly announce that their resales held their value at every presentation I attended and it was part of their sales pitch.
 
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You must have never sat through a Marriott timeshare presentation and mentioned resales. Marriott bragged that their resales values were one the highest in the industry thanks to ROFR. I was told that every time. I was also told that I would never actually own a cheap Marriott because marriott would ROFR it. Both turned out to be lies, but Marriott DID proudly announce that their resales held their value at every presentation I attended.

Besides that (which is true from my experience) and what DanCali alluded to, while Dean is right that Marriott doesn't waste it's time trying to protect resale value. HOWEVER, if they truly do decide to exclude any future resales- whether of our weeks or of points, from the system of the future then, essentially, weeks will retain some value and points will have no inherent value other than for using for vacation memories. Yes, I know that's what buying is all about- but to sell something with no inherent value is going to be a tough sell. If you have to plunk down 40 or 50 k, forgetting even about lost opportunity costs, over a twenty year span it adds $2000-2500per year to your MF's- so you'll be paying in the vicinity of 3K-4K per year at the outset. Add that to the fact that, at many of the properties, you can rent a week for less than that at Marriott.com. A 2BR at Surfwatch in mid-August only costs $3500 to reserve without any owner discounts- yet was awarded how many points? 4500 x 9.2 = $41,400. Financially, imho, if I wanted to go to HH I might as well rent- because now I am not talking about rental rates from other owners which always has a little risk, I am referring to renting from Marriott.

My point is, without a sense of retained value, how can a sale be justified to a prospective buyer? If they don't allow resales into the program in the future, then they haven't decreased the value of resales for future buyers (current owners will still have value in week ownership), but they have eliminated any resale value for points only owners. That doesn't make sense to me, and I think that will change.
 

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A Lottery System for Popular Weeks?

While reading the MVC Exchange Company Disclosure Guide for Marriott Vacation Club Destinations Exchange Program, I came across the following information:

Exchange Company (MVC Exchange Company] has the right to establish priority lists, lottery systems, or other alternative methods off reserving accommodations in an effort to ensure the fair and equitable reservations and use of accommodations during holidays, events, and other high demand periods. If implemented, access to certain use periods by a member may be restricted in a given year based upon the member's ranking in a lottery or some other allocation methodology established by Exchange Company.
 
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While reading the MVC Exchange Company Disclosure Guide for Marriott Vacation Club Destinations Exchange Program, I came across the following information:

Exchange Company (MVC Exchange Company] has the right to establish priority lists, lottery stems, or other alternative methods off reserving accommodations in an effort to ensure the fair and equitable reservations and use of accommodations during holidays, events, and other high demand periods. If implemented, access to certain use periods by a member may be restricted in a given year based upon the member's ranking in a lottery or some other allocation methodology established by Exchange Company.

So now we pay to be in a lottery?:rofl:
 

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While reading the MVC Exchange Company Disclosure Guide for Marriott Vacation Club Destinations Exchange Program, I came across the following information:

Exchange Company (MVC Exchange Company] has the right to establish priority lists, lottery systems, or other alternative methods off reserving accommodations in an effort to ensure the fair and equitable reservations and use of accommodations during holidays, events, and other high demand periods. If implemented, access to certain use periods by a member may be restricted in a given year based upon the member's ranking in a lottery or some other allocation methodology established by Exchange Company.

Does that mean that, conceivably, Marriott has leeway to change from first come first serve for booking high demand weeks to ranking in order of point value ownership, for example? :eek:

Hopefully that is something Marriott will never implement. Hopefully their lawyers were just trying to cover every contingency for the future.
 

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Does that mean that, conceivably, Marriott has leeway to change from first come first serve for booking high demand weeks to ranking in order of point value ownership, for example? :eek:

Hopefully that is something Marriott will never implement. Hopefully their lawyers were just trying to cover every contingency for the future.

As stated above, this language is the same, verbatim, as the language in the current reservation procedures (at least at mountainside).
 
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