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Marriott Aruba Ocean Club Owners Being Ripped Off By Marriott - READ IF AN OWNER

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I received the Presidents letter a little while ago and in it, it says the first assessment is due in January. What ever happened to it being due in June? Not only do we have the MF increase we also have the assessment on top of that. :mad:
 

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Here is the lame letter from the president. I will address the points in this letter on the next post. Sure does sound like he works for Marriott. And he dosent even address the forcing out of Allan as president.




November 12, 2008
Dear Marriott’s Aruba Ocean Club Owner:
Your Board of Directors just returned from the Annual Fall Board of Directors and Annual Meetings in Aruba; I would like to take this opportunity to update you on the status of a number of initiatives that affect us all. In addition to this communication, Resort Management will be sending a separate communication further detailing all the exciting changes taking place on the property.
First, we are very pleased to have a new Aruba Ocean Club General Manager on the team, solely dedicated to our property. Corey Guest has been in the hospitality industry for over 20 years, working for Hyatt Hotels, PepsiCo, Wyndham Hotels and for the last five years, Marriott International. What is more important is that most of the past 18 years, Corey has lived in Aruba and is very familiar with the island and changes that have occurred. Corey has impressed us all with his attention to detail and “can-do” attitude - but most important he has been very visible, accessible and responsive to the Owners. As you will see further on in this letter, Corey and his staff have a daunting task ahead given the sheer number and scope of the projects they have already started and will continue to manage over the next 12 months.
Undoubtedly you have read or heard about the challenges that we have faced with our roof over the past few years. I am pleased to report that a total roof replacement is well underway and should be completed by mid-December. Marriott Vacation Club International® contracted with a nationally recognized and respected roof engineer/expert to advise us on the replacement. Independently, the Board also contracted with structural and mechanical engineers as well as an environmental expert to cross-check and verify that the installation, condition of existing structure and any environmental concerns meet stringent approval standards. First, the roof is being replaced in its entirety using an industry standard design that has been modified for Aruba’s harsh sun and wind conditions. Second, we are pleased to report that there is no structural damage and while traces of water intrusion were found in areas that had sustained some water damage, it is easily remediated. There has been some erroneous information being circulated about the roof that should be clarified. First, the original roof was not defective; the building itself was constructed in the early to mid-90’s; later purchased by Marriott Vacation Club International and then completed and opened as the Aruba Ocean Club in 1999. The original roof is now past its useful life given the extreme conditions in Aruba; last year Marriott Vacation Club International agreed with the Board to pay a substantial portion or percentage of the cost to replace the roof based on the period of time prior when it was turned over to the Association.
Recently the island of Aruba experienced some severe weather and power outages that negatively affected all businesses and homes. Most of us in the States heard very little, if anything at all, about Hurricane Omar which developed over a period of 36 hours just slightly to the north of Aruba during mid-October. Once developed the hurricane then took a north-easterly course and quickly passed by the Virgin Islands and then into the Atlantic where is dissipated. While it did not directly strike Aruba, heavy rains and tropical storm force winds for a period of a couple days caused more damage to the island than at any time since Hurricane Lenny in 1999. The Ocean Club, like many other properties on the island, suffered beach erosion, landscaping and water damage on the west side facing ocean front units. Most of the repairs are complete but the unexpected cost of repairs not covered by our insurance deductible must be paid by the Association. Everyone worked around the clock to re-establish services, clean up the water intrusion and remove the massive amounts of seaweed from the beach. On a side note, I would like to thank the many Owners who were in Aruba during Hurricane Omar for your assistance that helped the staff with beach clean-up. While no one can control ‘mother nature’, the staff did a tremendous job getting the facility back into working order as quickly as possible.
The Board has been communicating with the Owners for the past several years regarding the anticipated 10-year renovation of the property. Let me assure you that we are extremely sensitive to the current economic conditions, but after walking through the entire property, we all agreed that our resort is showing very visible signs of its age and extremely heavy use (The Ocean Club averages over 94% occupancy year in and year out). For that reason, we are moving forward with the complete renovation of the property from the lobby to the hallways and on into each and every villa. Our goal is to get maximum value for every dollar spent to ensure that in the end we will all have a resort that we can be both comfortable in and proud of.
The cost of this extensive renovation necessitates an assessment of the Owner. However, with the help of Marriott Vacation Club International we were able to split the assessment over a two year period. The first assessment will come in several weeks (with payment due in January) and will cover renovation expenses for 2009; the second assessment will come in 2010. Despite the fact that the Association will have collected only half the funds, the renovation will begin in July 2009 and should be complete prior to Thanksgiving. Marriott Vacation Club International is assisting us financially in two critical ways. The number of villas available to Owners during that period will not be reduced as villas that they control through exchange and/or rental will be used to offset the villas taken out of inventory during the renovation. Second, they are assisting us by basically advancing the second half of the funds needed for the project even though those funds will not be collected until five to six months following completion of the renovation. The Board is extremely appreciative for their cooperation in helping us accelerate the renovation, reducing our costs as Owners by over $ 1.5M and managing the renovation in such a way as not to inconvenience our Owners.
This letter is the first communication of several; the next will be the management fall update of the resort followed by the annual billing which will include the first of two special assessments related to the upcoming renovation. The scope and cost of the renovation has been communicated in prior updates and the Board is still following the same strategy that has been laid out over the past couple of years. Aside from the renovation assessment, you will notice that your maintenance fee has increased from the prior year and the information regarding the factors necessitating the increase is included herein as well as in the operations update and the billing notice.
After spending much time with the accounting staff, it is clear that the increase is driven almost entirely by inflation and the higher cost of electricity, water, labor and other goods and services on Aruba. As just one example, although our conservation efforts last year reduced electricity consumption by 5%, the cost of electricity on the island increased over 40%! Some of these increases are a result of higher oil prices but others are driven by a tight labor market and increased costs for shipping.
I am honored and humbled to have been elected as President of the Association. We have a strong, dynamic and talented Board that has the experience and commitment to guide us through these issues. The challenges that lay ahead will demand the time and energy of the Board like no time in the past. However, our #1 priority will always be to make the right decisions for the right reasons and to be as efficient as possible as we allocate our funds for these projects. Our ultimate goal is to give all of us a resort that we can continue to enjoy and be proud of for many years to come.
Sincerely,
Frank Knox
President
Marriott Aruba Ocean Club Association
 
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Ok I have broken this down in pieces and will lay out the facts that Frank failed to tell us.

"First, we are very pleased to have a new Aruba Ocean Club General Manager on the team, solely dedicated to our property."

With all the rising costs, why at this time did the board decide to take on the added expenses of a dedicated resource? We could have reduced some of the fee for a period of time by continuing to share resources.

“Undoubtedly you have read or heard about the challenges that we have faced with our roof over the past few years.“

Challenges for the past few years, come on Frank speak the truth, we have had problems since the Ocean Club opened. It has leaked since day one and we the owners have paid to continue to repair the building every time it leaks and floods.

“First, the original roof was not defective; the building itself was constructed in the early to mid-90’s; later purchased by Marriott Vacation Club International and then completed and opened as the Aruba Ocean Club in 1999.”

If the roof was not defective why has it leaked since day 1. Why didn’t Marriott reveal to the owners before buying that the building was not built by Marriott and that the structure was already 5 or more years old? Sounds like a lack of full disclosure.

“The Ocean Club, like many other properties on the island, suffered beach erosion, landscaping and water damage on the west side facing ocean front units. Most of the repairs are complete but the unexpected cost of repairs not covered by our insurance deductible must be paid by the Association.”


Why did the Surf Club not experience the same kind of damage as the Ocean Club. They have ocean front units as well. The reason is the Ocean club was not properly waterproofed thus 120 rooms were severely damaged. All due to Marriott not properly fixing up the building they bought.

“The scope and cost of the renovation has been communicated in prior updates and the Board is still following the same strategy that has been laid out over the past couple of years. Aside from the renovation assessment, you will notice that your maintenance fee has increased from the prior year and the information regarding the factors necessitating the increase is included herein as well as in the operations update and the billing notice.”

Frank, why have you not told everyone about the increase amount? You come across as it is a minimal increase, when you are increasing the fees by 35%.

“The challenges that lay ahead will demand the time and energy of the Board like no time in the past.”

Frank, the reason you have the challenges that are demanding your time and energy is your lack of openness to the owners. When Allan was president he was open with the owners and was more than willing to discuss what was going on. Since you the board and Marriott forced Allan out, you have kept everyone in the dark. Why not share with the owners that you voted Allan out versus just saying there is a new president? Why are you and the board hiding behind the Marriott apron strings? Why not let the owners decide if you should be president or if we want Allan as president?

The letter sent to the owners is a pro Marriott letter and not an honest letter to the owners. We as owners need to demand more openness and the right to see how much we have spent over 9 years due to Marriott’s lack of due diligence and responsibility in the state of the Ocean Club.

Why are we hearing only in the last few months that Marriott did not build the Ocean club from the ground up? Give is answers not the leis you put in the letter. Why is this letter not posted on the Aruba Ocean Club website?
 

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I'm a 2BR OF owner.

If we have to pay anyway, can we negotiate for Marriott to 'give' owners extra MR points at least to be used at hotels?? Marriott throws away enough points for the sales presentation, they should give back to people who actually bought the property.

Say.....double the points that you usually get for the trade in of your unit. :(

or whatever...someone please come up with a fair number.
 

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Your kidding, right ?
I have a bridge in Brooklyn thats for sale. Interested ?

I'm a 2BR OF owner.

If we have to pay anyway, can we negotiate for Marriott to 'give' owners extra MR points at least to be used at hotels?? Marriott throws away enough points for the sales presentation, they should give back to people who actually bought the property.

Say.....double the points that you usually get for the trade in of your unit. :(

or whatever...someone please come up with a fair number.
 

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Why should a 1 bedroom in the Ocean club go from 886 to 1198 and then the assessment on top of that? That is a 35% increase. Then the assessment is on top of that 540 for year 1 and 421 for year 2, for a 1 bedroom.

The 2 bedrooms are going from 1172 to 1616 and the assessment is 774 for year 1 and slightly less for year 2.

Using the above figures, come January, we would owe, for our 1 bedroom, 1198 + 540 and, for our 2 bedroom, 1616 + 774 for a total of $4128. We budgeted for a 5% increase in MFs and we also budgeted for our assessments that were originally due in June. We are beside ourselves trying to figure out where in the hell we're going to get the extra money to pay for everything. :shrug: BTW, the roof leaked in 2001 when we bought and we were never told the building was not built by Marriott.
 

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I suggest that Marriott offers to take back our units at our original cost due to their deception.
 

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wow - he's not a very good representative

This is sad. Its actually a lot worse than I hoped for, I'm not sure writing him a letter is going to help but I think we need to give it the old college try. For those of you who are waiting to see it I am committing to getting it to you by mid week. I do think we need to be stronger than I originally intended because nothing has changed, they are moving forward to dumping all the expenses on us and Frank missed a lot of points in his letter that were previously sited as concern areas by the original board. You all remember the original board, the one we voted for.
 

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I really believe Frank, the board and Marriott think the owners are fools and will take this sitting down. It is Mid November, Payment of fees are due by early January, when are they going to send an announcement of the new increase to everyone. They will wait until the fees are due, so there will be little time to make calls and scream about how we the owners are being ripped off. This is a show of how secretive the board has become, and it is what Marriott wants. Owners of other resorts have already gotten notice of their increases based on posting on other blogs.

We need to get a total of 1100 rooms of ownership to recall this board. Everyone needs to notify anyone they know who owns units to get on board with us. I know one owner who is going to Aruba in the next couple of weeks and will be speaking with everyone at the Ocean Club to join up.

IS there anyone else going to Aruba in the next few weeks? If so, let me know and I will develop a notice to get people involved.
 

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Send me your email address. I have a 1 pager that you can take down with you and distribute to other owners to make them aware of what is taking place.

We need to get 1100 rooms to start the recall process of the board.

I have been in touch with a person from Aruba, who knows a good lawyer down there to assist us in our efforts.
 

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Continue to Enjoy...That's a Joke

Frank writes, "Our ultimate goal is to give all of us a resort that we can continue to enjoy and be proud of for many years to come". How can we continue to enjoy our resort if we can't afford the exorbitant fees and assessment. None of the owners ever anticipated such fees. We did not budget them into our costs of owning a timeshare at the Marriott Aruba Ocean Club. Yes, we planned for an increase. But, this is totally absurd.
 

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Did anyone volunteer?

I didn't keep each newsletter from Allan Cohen, but in mid-August he asked for owners to volunteer financial expertise, and explained many of these expense issues. I wonder whether any of those posting here were willing to help at that critical time? He wrote:

"The Board of Directors is seeking owners with Accounting or Finance backgrounds who would like to volunteer on a Finance Committee to assist in the oversight of the financial operations and reserve fund planning of the Aruba Ocean Club. The Finance Committee will consist of 2-4 members and will meet mostly via conference call and possibly a reimbursable trip as needed. If you feel that you can be of assistance to this committee on behalf of all the owners, please forward your letter of interest and credentials to me (address omitted by poster)no later than September 30."

If you aspire to remove the current board, I hope you have some astute, experienced and willing candidates to replace them. It's not an easy job.
 

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The first thing you learn in the REAL world is if you complain, make sure you have a better solution. Who here has the expericence to run the HOA better ?
If not, be careful what you ask for..... All I have heard here are childish demands which will never fly....

If you aspire to remove the current board, I hope you have some astute, experienced and willing candidates to replace them. It's not an easy job.
 

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The first thing you learn in the REAL world is if you complain, make sure you have a better solution. Who here has the expericence to run the HOA better ?
If not, be careful what you ask for..... All I have heard here are childish demands which will never fly....

While I always respect any owners that wish to make things better by actively taking part in the operations and meetings making unrealistic demands helps no one and hurts any legitimate attempts to improve things. Reading this thread there are some good ideas and legitimate issues. Go after them by all means - hopefully by letter, meeting attendance and other non-confrontational interaction with the Board. Lawsuits, threats of removal only serve to inflame things and harden positions. Then we have the "Marriott shold pay 110% for EVERYTHING that happened since we bought" and "They should refund my money" crowd. It isn't going to happen and again weakens the negotiation position for the more reasonable requests that may actually be workable.

Hopefully cool heads will prevail and a fair agreement can be worked out. There are far too many examples of the bad things that happen when the owners, Board and management decide to butt heads and most of those stories end with a resort in bad shape, too much wasted money and far too much work still waiting to be done. While improvements can ultimately result the process is delayed for far too long when its done with an overly adversarial approach.
 

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There's the ever popular " Double the points value of our week " request also :)


While I always respect any owners that wish to make things better by actively taking part in the operations and meetings making unrealistic demands helps no one and hurts any legitimate attempts to improve things. Reading this thread there are some good ideas and legitimate issues. Go after them by all means - hopefully by letter, meeting attendance and other non-confrontational interaction with the Board. Lawsuits, threats of removal only serve to inflame things and harden positions. Then we have the "Marriott shold pay 110% for EVERYTHING that happened since we bought" and "They should refund my money" crowd. It isn't going to happen and again weakens the negotiation position for the more reasonable requests that may actually be workable.

Hopefully cool heads will prevail and a fair agreement can be worked out. There are far too many examples of the bad things that happen when the owners, Board and management decide to butt heads and most of those stories end with a resort in bad shape, too much wasted money and far too much work still waiting to be done. While improvements can ultimately result the process is delayed for far too long when its done with an overly adversarial approach.
 

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Eric we can certainly make it better. For your information, people ahve been trying to contact the board and Marriott for months with no repsonse or action from either.

I know many people that can do a better job than the current board. Where you at the owners meeting? I doubt it. Do you even own a unit at the Ocean Club?

The boards fiduciary duty is to the owners. Not communciating with the owners says something about the board.

If we were not here, Marriott would be happy and they would continue to take advantage of the owners. It is time for the owners to take a stand.
 

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In response to your question on volunteering to be on the finance committee

Yes, the answer is yes. M Pericolosi from the board received over 40 volunteers for the Finance positions, she selected two and sent out an email that read, "Jim Fanning of NY and Joe Folisi of IL have been selected to serve on AOC's Finance Committee. Both are CPAs, MBAs and have Home Owner's
Association experience. Their official announcement will be made at
next Wednesday's Annual Meeting.

Plenty of folks are willing to step up to the plate and help. I take it neither one of you are owners so I'm not sure why you are so interested in the situation, which time shares do you own and how much are you paying for maintenance fees?
 

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It's a universal issue

Plenty of folks are willing to step up to the plate and help. I take it neither one of you are owners so I'm not sure why you are so interested in the situation, which time shares do you own and how much are you paying for maintenance fees?

No, I'm not an owner at OC but the issues are far from unique. In fact I've been down the road of Association vs developer personally which fortunately was not too long and drawn out (only a year and by the way the owners "won" but at a direct cost of over $225,000 plus over 5 years more to get the resort really back on track). In that case after the dispute was settled the ROOFS (multibuilding development) failed (after only 10 of a supposed 30+ year lifespan due to improper construction) and, guess what, despite a lawsuit the developer was found not liable so I speak from experience. We also had to fight the attempted takeover of the owner Board, dismissal of Board members, etc. Sound familiar? Having been in court I know what the justice system will listen to and what they consider "fluff" or whining. They have a very narrow view of contracts, rights and its far too easy to think you have the perfect case when the other side has just as persuasive arguments. No one comes out with all they think they should and its almost always cheaper to simply come to agreement outside of the courts.

Another example is the HOA vs developer at Bluebeards Castle. They lost 5 years+ as the resort slid into total disrepair and ended up settling for basically what Fairfield offered to start with. They could have had the money, done the improvements/repairs and saved the legal fees instead of losing all those years. That resort may never fully recover.

Experience shows that negotiation and compromise is almost always the preferred course over lawsuits. No one ever gets what they feel they are due 100% on either side. Save the money and work things out as most of the time you'll end up in the same place just poorer if you don't.

As for fees and special assessments we had to have both at the resort that went through the lawsuit. But since then the fees have stabilized and going forward it appears the annual fees are collecting enough reserve funds to properly fund future needs at the resort. And after a few years of exceeding the average cost for the area - when the SA was included - now fees are on the lower end and have been holding fairly steady. A sign of good management and good planning that had been lacking in the early years.
 

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If you read all the posts you will see that a suit is the last resort. To date we have had no communication from Marriott or the board, except for the lame email we got from Frank Knox.

All the owners want is a fair shake and we haven't gotten it yet. So until we get what is fair, this will not stop. I have called Marriott, written to Marriott and written to the board prior to starting this thread. I got no responses.
 

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Eric,

You didnt answer LoveAruba's question. DO you work for Marriott? You don't list owning any timeshare so it is a safe assumption to assume you do work for Marriott. If you do, then why don't you and the rest of the company try and make things better for the people who have supported the company over the years versus trying to stick it to us with all these additional costs.
 

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Its amazing there is still nothing from the board, except Franks lame letter. If the board wants to get respect back from the owners, I recommend the board work with a group of owners in negotiating with Marriott. THis should be done to get a resolution that is fair to the owners.

If the board does not take this up, I wonder what they are afraid of and what they don't want the owners to know.
 

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Timeos2 is right- you have to be careful what you ask for. Marriott has offered to pay 43% of the cost of the roof, which is a large amount of money. If they decide to leave the resort and no longer manage then that money may disappear with them and then you will be paying 100% of the cost.

I understand your frustration at this additional expense but you will be so much better off if you try to work with Marriott and get this resolved. If too much blood gets spilled Marriott will walk away and the resort will get a bad name and have no value at all and will suffer as a result.

I also don't own there but as a Marriott owner elsewhere I think it has ramifications for all of us.
 

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Prior to this thread ever starting, I personally reached out to Marriott to discuss what wa taking place. They would not respond. I tired numerous times, even wrote to David Babich the Customer care officer and he has yet to respond.

So if Marriott wants to see this resolved then need to respond to concerned owners. I am not the only one who has reached out to David and not heard back from him.
 
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