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[SueDonJ]

I'd replace "Marriott Vacation Club (MVCI)" with the official name for its points program, "Abound by Marriott Vacations" because "MVCI" generally refers to the Weeks product. The points that can be purchased, which correlate to the intervals that have been conveyed to the underlying Trust, are officially termed, "Club Points." (And they're technically different from the points that can be elected on an annual basis from MVCI and other Weeks which are enrolled in the Abound Exchange system.)

Your "Marriott Vacation Club Asia Pacific" is correct, though, because that's been the official terminology for that limited segment since its introduction as a points product, which was long before the Destination-Club-now-known-as-Abound was introduced.

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[Passepartout]

My eyes glazed over just thinking about all these.

 

[T-Dot-Traveller]

Hi @TUGBrian ,
I am an active member of TaraNova Vacation Club.

1) It is a member owned Canadian based float weeks system with the head office in the Toronto area.
MF is in USD . For 2023 it is $ 749 after staying at $ 699 for seven years.

2 ) Members can deposit into RCI and receive TPU's
There is also an option to deposit into - HSI - Advantage Program.

3) The Club owns the units and the members own the club. There is a member based board of directors / HOA
I believe it was set up in this format because of the tax implication of Canadians owning USA real estate and residency implications.
Memberships therefore have an end date since they are non deeded.

4) TaraNova owns units in 4 locations / 3 in the USA ( Myrtle Beach- New Hampshire- Tahoe)
The 4th location is in Costa Rica and all units there are owned by Taranova.

Here is a link to the website:
www.taranova.com

 

[TUGBrian]

see, now this is truly where the combined knowledge of the community shines!

note again the goal is to ensure anyone trying to list something on the marketplace has the correct options available to them via a drop down menu (someone cant free form type a resort name or a point system, so we have to include them all).

built in behind the scenes is an ability to link all resorts within a particular system to the point system itself, thus "points ads" will also show up in the classified listing results for those specific resorts as well. so for instance if someone submits a listing for bluegreen points, not only will it show up when searching for just bluegreen points, but also for each of the blugreen resorts as well whereas previously we elected to only allow for a single home resort to be linked to the listing.

still tinkering with this, but the goal is to ensure future listings are displayed to potential buyers/renters in as many places as possible they might search!

 

[TUGBrian]

My eyes glazed over just thinking about all these.

yea, try designing a system that covers them all! =D

 

[TUGBrian]

I'd replace "Marriott Vacation Club (MVCI)" with the official name for its points program, "Abound by Marriott Vacations" because "MVCI" generally refers to the Weeks product. The points that can be purchased, which correlate to the intervals that have been conveyed to the underlying Trust, are officially termed, "Club Points." (And they're technically different from the points that can be elected on an annual basis from MVCI and other Weeks which are enrolled in the Abound Exchange system.)

Your "Marriott Vacation Club Asia Pacific" is correct, though, because that's been the official terminology for that limited segment since its introduction as a points product, which was long before the Destination-Club-now-known-as-Abound was introduced.

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thats a tough one for me, as I still see it very commonly referenced as MVCI points (or similar) to reference points and or hybrid packages.

im happy to also include / Abound in the title if folks feel they are one in the same?

but id be afraid the vistana abound folks would be even more confused?

perhaps its needs to be MVCI / Abound and then Vistana / Abound?


(and this is why we hash this out before making major changes!)

 

[Mongoose]

I must confess that this does confuse me. Why don't they just leave it "Hyatt Residence Club"? Or is it the font that's being changed?

LOL, Hyatt Vacation Club. Back to the original name.

 

[SueDonJ]

thats a tough one for me, as I still see it very commonly referenced as MVCI points (or similar) to reference points and or hybrid packages.

im happy to also include / Abound in the title if folks feel they are one in the same?

but id be afraid the vistana abound folks would be even more confused?

perhaps its needs to be MVCI / Abound and then Vistana / Abound?


(and this is why we hash this out before making major changes!)

It's very confusing, I agree, and tough to hash out!

It's only when we're talking about existing owned Weeks/Points being enrolled in the Abound Exchange Company that differentials based on the underlying ownership will come into play. This is true for MVCI Weeks, Vistana Weeks/Points, Ritz-Carlton fractional, etc to include any system that affiliates existing ownerships with Abound by Marriott Vacations. But in these cases the annual, voluntary allotments of Club Points are Exchange Points, not Trust Points, and owners of enrolled intervals can't resell Exchange Points - they can only resell the underlying ownership which then becomes ineligible for re-enrollment by the new owner (unless it's allowed as a sales incentive with a new direct purchase.)

But anybody who purchases points in the pure-points system that comes under the Marriott Vacations Worldwide umbrella is purchasing Club Points in the Abound by Marriott Vacations system, regardless of whether they already own in Marriott or Vistana or any other timeshare system. So if you're looking to differentiate among all points-based systems with respect to only the points that can be purchased/resold, then Abound by Marriott Vacations is the official name of the system.

 

[Sandy VDH]

@TUGBrian

Not sure why Club Wyndham and Club Wyndham access are two seperate listings.

Also it is officially Holiday Inn Club Vacations.

Embarc is also part of the combined Diamond/HGVC/HVC etc world. Or are you leaving them all as seperate?

 

[dioxide45]

see, now this is truly where the combined knowledge of the community shines!

note again the goal is to ensure anyone trying to list something on the marketplace has the correct options available to them via a drop down menu (someone cant free form type a resort name or a point system, so we have to include them all).

built in behind the scenes is an ability to link all resorts within a particular system to the point system itself, thus "points ads" will also show up in the classified listing results for those specific resorts as well. so for instance if someone submits a listing for bluegreen points, not only will it show up when searching for just bluegreen points, but also for each of the blugreen resorts as well whereas previously we elected to only allow for a single home resort to be linked to the listing.

still tinkering with this, but the goal is to ensure future listings are displayed to potential buyers/renters in as many places as possible they might search!

I think the difference here is between resale listings and rental listings. People aren't likely to list Club Wyndham for sale (unless it was Club Wyndham Access), they would list their actual week for sale. But on the rental side they might list points for rent. The same might be true for RCI points or some of the other point programs. You really need two lists, one for resale listings and the other for rental listings.

 

[Eric B]

It's very confusing, I agree, and tough to hash out!

It's only when we're talking about existing owned Weeks/Points being enrolled in the Abound Exchange Company that differentials based on the underlying ownership will come into play. This is true for MVCI Weeks, Vistana Weeks/Points, Ritz-Carlton fractional, etc to include any system that affiliates existing ownerships with Abound by Marriott Vacations. But in these cases the annual, voluntary allotments of Club Points are Exchange Points, not Trust Points, and owners of enrolled intervals can't resell Exchange Points - they can only resell the underlying ownership which then becomes ineligible for re-enrollment by the new owner (unless it's allowed as a sales incentive with a new direct purchase.)

But anybody who purchases points in the pure-points system that comes under the Marriott Vacations Worldwide umbrella is purchasing Club Points in the Abound by Marriott Vacations system, regardless of whether they already own in Marriott or Vistana or any other timeshare system. So if you're looking to differentiate among all points-based systems with respect to only the points that can be purchased/resold, then Abound by Marriott Vacations is the official name of the system.

Ritz Carlton fractionals are also affiliated with ThirdHome, which is a different points based exchange system. They are eligible for use there as resales. Also, the fractionals I’ve seen for sale at St Thomas indicate that Abound eligibility continues for resales, though i decided against purchasing there now that I can reserve through Abound with my Vistana ownership.

 

[dioxide45]

Ritz Carlton fractionals are also affiliated with ThirdHome, which is a different points based exchange system. They are eligible for use there as resales. Also, the fractionals I’ve seen for sale at St Thomas indicate that Abound eligibility continues for resales, though i decided against purchasing there now that I can reserve through Abound with my Vistana ownership.

But I don't think Third Home would be considered a point system for the sake of buy/sell/rent, which is the topic of the thread.

 

[dioxide45]

I must confess that this does confuse me. Why don't they just leave it "Hyatt Residence Club"? Or is it the font that's being changed?

I don't know what font they plan to use. I suspect it will all be called Hyatt Vacation Club (both the legacy Welk and Legacy HRC). They will use the same logo with a long term plan to somehow integrate the two different systems to allow for cross bookings.

 

[sponger76]

But I don't think Third Home would be considered a point system for the sake of buy/sell/rent, which is the topic of the thread.

I agree; you can't buy "Third Home" points as a stand-alone product; Third Home access is simply a byproduct of buying something else.

 

[Eric B]

But I don't think Third Home would be considered a point system for the sake of buy/sell/rent, which is the topic of the thread.

I see a lot of ads here, on Redweek, and on eBay for timeshares that are enrolled in RCI Points or the II equivalent. If the list is going to include points based external exchanges, it’s not different. I wouldn’t take it personally if it were omitted, but a points system is a points system.

 

[Eric B]

I agree; you can't buy "Third Home" points as a stand-alone product; Third Home access is simply a byproduct of buying something else.

Same is true of RCI Points.

 

[SueDonJ]

It's very confusing, I agree, and tough to hash out!

It's only when we're talking about existing owned Weeks/Points being enrolled in the Abound Exchange Company that differentials based on the underlying ownership will come into play. This is true for MVCI Weeks, Vistana Weeks/Points, Ritz-Carlton fractional, etc to include any system that affiliates existing ownerships with Abound by Marriott Vacations. But in these cases the annual, voluntary allotments of Club Points are Exchange Points, not Trust Points, and owners of enrolled intervals can't resell Exchange Points - they can only resell the underlying ownership which then becomes ineligible for re-enrollment by the new owner (unless it's allowed as a sales incentive with a new direct purchase.)

But anybody who purchases points in the pure-points system that comes under the Marriott Vacations Worldwide umbrella is purchasing Club Points in the Abound by Marriott Vacations system, regardless of whether they already own in Marriott or Vistana or any other timeshare system. So if you're looking to differentiate among all points-based systems with respect to only the points that can be purchased/resold, then Abound by Marriott Vacations is the official name of the system.

Talking to myself now after reading back to the newer posts that I should have read before ...

What @dioxide45 says above about the Wyndham rentals might apply to Marriott as well. Where there is no differentials for points resales among any of the Marriott-umbrella owners of Abound Trust Points, so no need to qualify them as Marriott or Vistana or whatever, the rental market is a whole different kettle of fish. Abound Exchange Points cannot be resold but they can be rented (as can any intervals which an owner books using his/her Exchange Points.) I'm trying to think of why it might be important to differentiate the Exchange Points offered as rentals, though, because any Exchange Points can be used in the Abound Exchange Company to book all available inventory. The only differentials that matter have to do with eligibility for certain reservation windows, cancellation terms, etc, and those are all based on the number of points for which an enrolled member is eligible (not on which system the enrolled member owns in.)

Hmmmm.

 

[Eric B]

To make things confusing, Hyatt Residence Club is being renamed to Hyatt Residence Club, but it still won't be the same currency as the Hyatt Vacation Club - Welk.

I don't know what font they plan to use. I suspect it will all be called Hyatt Vacation Club (both the legacy Welk and Legacy HRC). They will use the same logo with a long term plan to somehow integrate the two different systems to allow for cross bookings.

I confess to having been teasing you a bit for the typo in your original post, copied above. Sorry

 

[sponger76]

Same is true of RCI Points.

But have you ever seen an ad simply selling something as Third Home keys? No. I'd say RCI is somewhat different, because you do see ads posted as being x amount of RCI points for sale.

 

[dioxide45]

I confess to having been teasing you a bit for the typo in your original post, copied above. Sorry

Well shoot. I completely missed that! Thank goodness for the 48 hour editing rule on posts....

 

[Eric B]

But have you ever seen an ad simply selling something as Third Home keys? No. I'd say RCI is somewhat different, because you do see ads posted as being x amount of RCI points for sale.

No, I don’t see those types of ads. Perhaps because they aren’t possible, which is the point of this thread.

 

[sponger76]

Talking to myself now after reading back to the newer posts that I should have read before ...

What @dioxide45 says above about the Wyndham rentals might apply to Marriott as well. Where there is no differentials for points resales among any of the Marriott-umbrella owners of Abound Trust Points, so no need to qualify them as Marriott or Vistana or whatever, the rental market is a whole different kettle of fish. Abound Exchange Points cannot be resold but they can be rented (as can any intervals which an owner books using his/her Exchange Points.) I'm trying to think of why it might be important to differentiate the Exchange Points offered as rentals, though, because any Exchange Points can be used in the Abound Exchange Company to book all available inventory. The only differentials that matter have to do with eligibility for certain reservation windows, cancellation terms, etc, and those are all based on the number of points for which an enrolled member is eligible (not on which system the enrolled member owns in.)

Hmmmm.

Well, you can resell Abound points, if what you have is trust points. And there are differences between Sheraton Flex/Westin Flex/Westin Aventuras. If they are retail purchases, they can all be used as StarOptions for any VSN resort or elected for Abound points. But unless "requalified/retrod" with a developer purchase, resale purchases cannot be used as StarOptions, only at the home resorts, which differ between the three programs, and they also cannot be elected for Abound points.

 

[Eric B]

Well shoot. I completely missed that! Thank goodness for the 48 hour editing rule on posts....

… but quotes are forever….

 

[sponger76]

No, I don’t see those types of ads. Perhaps because they aren’t possible, which is the point of this thread.

Third Home is also all high-end, where the underlying property is more important than Third Home by itself. I don't think anyone buys those properties solely for Third Home use. Whereas for RCI, some of those are very much bought with the sole intention of RCI usage and never actually staying at the underlying property.

 

[dioxide45]

ive got hrc and hvc both listed separately.

As @Eric B pointed out my mistake, HRC is going to be going away. It will all just be called HVC (Hyatt Vacation Club). They are still different currencies and the reality is there are now three kinds of Hyatt Vacation Club;

1. Hyatt Portfolio Program - Trust based program where you own points in a trust (Like Abound, Sheraton Flex, Westin Flex or even Club Wyndham Access)
2. Hyatt Vacation Club (Legacy Hyatt Residence Club)
3. Hyatt Vacation Club Platinum Points (Legacy Welk)

The first two are the same points currency, but when you sell #1, you are selling points. When you sell #2 you are selling a week. The same would be true of renting as I think most people who own legacy HRC would just rent their week. #3 is the old Welk points product which I beleive is trust based. But I beleive Welk also sold weeks at certain resorts.