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[dioxide45]

… but quotes are forever….

True, but good for me that most people skim past the quote....

 

[SueDonJ]

Ritz Carlton fractionals are also affiliated with ThirdHome, which is a different points based exchange system. They are eligible for use there as resales. Also, the fractionals I’ve seen for sale at St Thomas indicate that Abound eligibility continues for resales, though i decided against purchasing there now that I can reserve through Abound with my Vistana ownership.

Third Home at one time was available as an option for Marriott Abound Trust and Exchange members. I'm not sure if it still is but regardless, I don't believe that Abound members who used their points for TH could then turn around and rent those TH intervals.

I stand corrected on some Vistana intervals remaining enrolled in Abound after being resold. But even with those, isn't it the underlying Vistana Weeks/Points that are resold, and not the Abound Exchange Points for which they remain eligible after resale? Isn't it the underlying interval that gets transferred and that's listed on the deed in a resale?

 

[TUGBrian]

changing names in the future is not difficult (or at least i hope not)

It's very confusing, I agree, and tough to hash out!

It's only when we're talking about existing owned Weeks/Points being enrolled in the Abound Exchange Company that differentials based on the underlying ownership will come into play. This is true for MVCI Weeks, Vistana Weeks/Points, Ritz-Carlton fractional, etc to include any system that affiliates existing ownerships with Abound by Marriott Vacations. But in these cases the annual, voluntary allotments of Club Points are Exchange Points, not Trust Points, and owners of enrolled intervals can't resell Exchange Points - they can only resell the underlying ownership which then becomes ineligible for re-enrollment by the new owner (unless it's allowed as a sales incentive with a new direct purchase.)

But anybody who purchases points in the pure-points system that comes under the Marriott Vacations Worldwide umbrella is purchasing Club Points in the Abound by Marriott Vacations system, regardless of whether they already own in Marriott or Vistana or any other timeshare system. So if you're looking to differentiate among all points-based systems with respect to only the points that can be purchased/resold, then Abound by Marriott Vacations is the official name of the system.

what about folks who are trying to sell what they have now though? that is the sticking point we have.

i dont think putting all vistana points listings, nor marriott points listings under the name "abound by marriott vacations" would do anything more than cause a TON of emails sent to us when folks try to post listings!

 

[TUGBrian]

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@TUGBrian

Not sure why Club Wyndham and Club Wyndham access are two seperate listings.

Also it is officially Holiday Inn Club Vacations.

Embarc is also part of the combined Diamond/HGVC/HVC etc world. Or are you leaving them all as seperate?

a broker requested they have the ability to post listings that differentiated between the two...will remove and combine to single club wyndham

 

[TUGBrian]

@TUGBrian

Not sure why Club Wyndham and Club Wyndham access are two seperate listings.

Also it is officially Holiday Inn Club Vacations.

Embarc is also part of the combined Diamond/HGVC/HVC etc world. Or are you leaving them all as seperate?

till it officially changes, yes. afaik folks can and still do try to sell embarc ownerships

 

[TUGBrian]

I don't know what font they plan to use. I suspect it will all be called Hyatt Vacation Club (both the legacy Welk and Legacy HRC). They will use the same logo with a long term plan to somehow integrate the two different systems to allow for cross bookings.

did that change?

I could have sworn i read that HRC was for the hyatt side, and HVC was for the welk side?

was seriously not joking when i made the confusing spaghetti video!

 

[Eric B]

Third Home is also all high-end, where the underlying property is more important than Third Home by itself. I don't think anyone buys those properties solely for Third Home use. Whereas for RCI, some of those are very much bought with the sole intention of RCI usage and never actually staying at the underlying property.

I regularly use my WorldMark ownership to exchange with ThirdHome and that is primarily what I use it for. There are others that do the same. It’s a good path to get into the high-end stays inexpensively. YMMV, though knowledge is power and that’s mostly why I post about that particular topic.

Third Home at one time was available as an option for Marriott Abound Trust and Exchange members. I'm not sure if it still is but regardless, I don't believe that Abound members who used their points for TH could then turn around and rent those TH intervals.

I stand corrected on some Vistana intervals remaining enrolled in Abound after being resold. But even with those, isn't it the underlying Vistana Weeks/Points that are resold, and not the Abound Exchange Points for which they remain eligible after resale? Isn't it the underlying interval that gets transferred and that's listed on the deed in a resale?

I don’t believe the purpose of the thread was limited to selling or renting points as a stand alone currency. My read was that it was to allow listings of ownerships that are deeded weeks or trust points that can be exchanged in the various points systems. Many of the systems listed don’t allow a transfer of points to third parties, so would have to be deleted from the list if that is its purpose. For example, HGVC used to allow transfer of points between owners but recently discontinued that and Club Wyndham discontinued allowing point transfers years ago.

You are correct that you aren’t allowed to rent out ThirdHome stays. That is no different than RCI or II exchanges made using points, though they are on the list.

 

[TUGBrian]

sorry, if the sticking point is the ability or inability to post rentals (simply because the system doesnt allow for that)...thats fine.

this same list will be used for all listings, and intended to be an all inclusive list of POINT systems that owners can select when submitting a resale, rental, or exchange listing. in essence what this will do, is create a new "resort review page" within TUG, for point systems that can be selected when posting a listing just like regular individual resorts can to allow for easier searching and better visibility for folks searching for either item.

the expertise and knowledge posted here FAR exceeds that of the average owner, much less the average person looking to buy or rent and the goal is to ensure that anyone who "wants to buy marriott points"....can easily find all the options for sale in the marketplace as easily as possible!

as I picture it, someone who really likes staying at marriott harbor town, and chose to browse the listings there would enjoy seeing listings for:

deeded/legacy weeks for harbor town

and mvci/abound/etc points listings that one could buy that would also provide access to that system and resort (if not thru a roundabout way), especially since the current buyer has most certainly shifted in their demand for more flexibilty vs buying fixed/floating weeks at the same resort.

 

[TUGBrian]

udpated list with suggestions (I think i got them all)...

 

[JohnPaul]

FWIW. Vacation Internationale now markets themselves as VI Resorts. Maybe a combined reference VI Resorts/Vacation Internationale?

 

[Mongoose]

@TUGBrian

Not sure why Club Wyndham and Club Wyndham access are two seperate listings.

Also it is officially Holiday Inn Club Vacations.

Embarc is also part of the combined Diamond/HGVC/HVC etc world. Or are you leaving them all as seperate?

I might be wrong, bu my understanding is CWA and Club Wyndham are two different systems. CWA is pure points with no underlyging week and everyone pays the same MFs. Club Wyndham has an underlying week and MFs vary by location.

 

[TUGBrian]

i was always under the assumption they were different as well, but perhaps that really has no significant impact on listing them for sale or for rent?

 

[Mongoose]

did that change?

I could have sworn i read that HRC was for the hyatt side, and HVC was for the welk side?

was seriously not joking when i made the confusing spaghetti video!

There was a letter that just came out, which I posted on here where in 2023 everything will be called Hyatt Vacation Club (which is actually the original name). The strange thing is you will still need to use II for trades between HRC/HRPP and Legacy Welk.

Regarding the names for Hyatt in your list, I suggest Hyatt Residence Club (HRC & HRPP) and Hyatt Vacation Club Platinum Program.

 

[TUGBrian]

if anything, this is one of the most educational threads ever!

 

[TUGBrian]

There was a letter that just came out, which I posted on here where in 2023 everything will be called Hyatt Vacation Club (which is actually the original name). The strange thing is you will still need to use II for trades between HRC/HRPP and Legacy Welk.

Regarding the names for Hyatt in your list, I suggest Hyatt Residence Club (HRC & HRPP) and Hyatt Vacation Club Platinum Program.

sigh...good thing they are choosing such simple solutions (and then changing them) to avoid confusing owners!

 

[Mongoose]

i was always under the assumption they were different as well, but perhaps that really has no significant impact on listing them for sale or for rent?

I found this on their website. There is a difference between 10-13 months out. With CWA all resorts are Home Resorts at 13 months so you have first choice over Club Wyndham Select (CWS) who only has first choice at their deeded Home Resort at 13 Months. At 10 months I believe they points are treated equally. This could be an issues for peak destinations and weeks. Also CWA is a trust where Club Wyndham (Select?) is deeded property.

I would keep them separate as Club Wyndham Select and Club Wyndham Access.


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• What is the difference between Club Wyndham Select and Club Wyndham Access?
  
  Club Wyndham Select gives you a deeded ownership at one resort, called your Home Resort. This gives you Advanced Reservation Priority to book at your Home Resort beginning 13 months in advance of your check-in date. Club Wyndham Access gives you a certificate of ownership in multiple resorts, giving you priority to book at over 70 resorts beginning 13 months in advance of your check-in date. Both allow you to book at any Club Wyndham resort beginning 10 months in advance of check-in during the Standard Booking Window.

 

[Mongoose]

sigh...good thing they are choosing such simple solutions (and then changing them) to avoid confusing owners!

Correction on the names: Suggest Hyatt Residence Club (HRC & HPC) and Hyatt Vacation Club Platinum Program.

 

[dioxide45]

did that change?

I could have sworn i read that HRC was for the hyatt side, and HVC was for the welk side?

was seriously not joking when i made the confusing spaghetti video!

Here is a link to the thread where owners received an email about the name change;

Why does this make me nervous?

Just received this email: A good vacation changes everything. Your vacations are about to get even better. This summer, Hyatt Residence Club will become Hyatt Vacation Club. You’ll still enjoy your Ownership just as you do today. But you’ll notice things starting to look and...

tugbbs.com

 

[Mongoose]

For Holiday Inn Club Vacations there are also differences between Land Trust and Deeded weeks. There are legacy deeds that give you access to the week, but no points. Then there are Smokey Mountain, South Beach and Lake Geneva where the deeded weeks convert to points on resale that can be used at any resort. All of their new sales are land trusts which on resale restrict you to a single location and are useless and have no value. The three I mention do have resale value equivalent to WM.

 

[SueDonJ]

changing names in the future is not difficult (or at least i hope not)

what about folks who are trying to sell what they have now though? that is the sticking point we have.

i dont think putting all vistana points listings, nor marriott points listings under the name "abound by marriott vacations" would do anything more than cause a TON of emails sent to us when folks try to post listings!

But all Marriott-branded pure-points ownerships ARE Abound by Marriott Vacations ownerships! If someone is selling Marriott points, they're selling Abound Trust Points.

I might be confused in thinking that you were trying to distinguish among points systems? That's why I first mentioned that I'd change from your MVCI label to the Abound label, because MVCI generally refers to the Marriott-branded Weeks that come under the MVW umbrella. I didn't mean that the three Vistana points-based options shouldn't also be in your list.

But if you're also looking at Weeks-based ads, Marriott Weeks should still be listed as "MVCI / Resort / Season / Unit Size / Unit View (or whatever is the typical ad info.) It doesn't matter with ANY of these if a current owner has enrolled the Week in the Abound Exchange Company because the enrollment doesn't transfer to the new owner and upon resale the Week becomes ineligible for enrollment by the new owner.

With MOST Vistana Weeks, the same thing applies - enrollment ceases upon transfer and the Week becomes ineligible for enrollment by the new owner. But as I've been corrected, apparently there are select Vistana intervals for which enrollment does transfer - in those cases the resale would still be of the underlying Vistana Week/Points and not a resale of the Abound Exchange Points for which the interval can be elected. So, the ad would be listed as "Vistana / Resort / etc" or "Vistana / Flex / etc" or "Vistana / Adventuras / etc." (and possibly there could be space for the Seller to note that Abound Exchange Company eligibility transfers with the sale?)

Trying to boil all this down to the most basic, does it help to know that there are ZERO Marriott or Vistana or any other ownerships for which an owner has elected a permanent exchange of an existing ownership to Abound Trust Points? It can't happen. That's why only people who have purchased Abound Trust Points can be selling an Abound points-based membership that comes under the Marriott umbrella, and why everybody who is selling any intervals that are eligible for Abound Exchange Points elections is selling the underlying ownerships and not the Abound Exchange Points for which the Sellers are eligible. Marriott, Vistana, the brand doesn't matter. No intervals can be permanently exchanged for Abound Exchange Points, and Abound Exchange Points are not something that can be sold. (Rented, yes, but not sold.)

 

[dioxide45]

But all Marriott-branded pure-points ownerships ARE Abound by Marriott Vacations ownerships! If someone is selling points that come under the Marriott Vacations Worldwide umbrella, they're selling Abound Trust Points.

This isn't the case for Westin Flex, Sheraton Flex and Westin Aventuras. When you sell those, you aren't selling Abound points.

 

[TUGBrian]

its all clear as mud!

 

[SueDonJ]

This isn't the case for Westin Flex, Sheraton Flex and Westin Aventuras. When you sell those, you aren't selling Abound points.

Eeeeesh. I still think of only Abound by Marriott Vacations as Marriott-branded, and the Westin and Sheraton points systems as Vistana-branded, even though all of them come under the Marriott Vacations Worldwide umbrella. I tried to differentiate that later in the post, in the fourth paragraph where I noted typical ads for the Vistana-branded points systems to be separate from Abound ads.

 

[TUGBrian]

and for this, weeks based listings would not apply...those would be a completely separate input mechanism when someone chooses a specific resort to post a listing for.

 

[TUGBrian]

Eeeeesh. I still think of only Abound by Marriott Vacations as Marriott-branded, and the Westin and Sheraton points systems as Vistana-branded, even though all of them come under the Marriott Vacations Worldwide umbrella. I tried to differentiate that later in the post, in the fourth paragraph where I noted typical ads for the Vistana-branded points systems to be separate from Abound ads.

that was my thought as well, and was hoping that "marriott / abound" and "vistana / abound" might cover that with a blanket?