Legacy HRC (= 'HVC'), ? worth buying as resale now with increases in MFs & II devaluations ?

[mountainboy]

With the significant 20+% increase in MFs in last 2 years & significant devaluation in II trades, is it worth buying a Legacy HRC/HVC resale now?
Asking Pro HRC/HVC tuggers @SteveinHNL , @TUGBrian , @echino , @ScoopKona , @Kal , @mjm1 , @WalnutBaron & others.
Thx a mill!

 

[socaltimeshare]

1. Increase in MFs was not 20% in 2 years (that is overstated). Increase in my units was somewhat comparable to nationwide inflation. Hotel prices are up too.
2.No change in internal (club) exchange valuations. Same value there as before.
3.II still a good value. Before it was a better value.

 

[mountainboy]

1. Increase in MFs was not 20% in 2 years (that is overstated). Increase in my units was somewhat comparable to nationwide inflation. Hotel prices are up too.
2.No change in internal (club) exchange valuations. Same value there as before.
3.II still a good value. Before it was a better value.

saw many folks report 20+% increases in last 2 years in MF thread for HVC, hence the ask...
Glad still see value there...
What's with Aspen & Escala Lodge (Park City) both being effectively out from HRC?
Cuts back the footprint even further :-(....

 

[mjm1]

We own at Pinon Pointe and continue to believe it offers a great value. We mostly stay at the resort or trade within the Hyatt resort system rather than trading in II. II isn’t as great of a value as it used to be, but it’s still good.

 

[ScoopKona]

I got three weeks on my single maintenance fee this year. I expect this will be normal going forward. This wasn't a normal year for us in that we completed our massive move to Hawaii. Next year, I hope to go back to business as usual.

 

[mountainboy]

We own at Pinon Pointe and continue to believe it offers a great value. We mostly stay at the resort or trade within the Hyatt resort system rather than trading in II. II isn’t as great of a value as it used to be, but it’s still good.

I got three weeks on my single maintenance fee this year. I expect this will be normal going forward. This wasn't a normal year for us in that we completed our massive move to Hawaii. Next year, I hope to go back to business as usual.

Great to hear!
Looks like Park city is out (even though present at old points chart posted at TUG as a sticky)... Also Aspen seems out & Breck has significantly decreased number of HVC units (& sold many to others). HKB is hard to trade into. Leaves a fairly tight footprint to trade internally, right? What kind of internal trades are folks getting?
Also newbie Q: if one buys a trader at HYN for lower MF like both of you, when can you put an internal HVC/HRC trade request (or find anything on website) for trading into? (? start of HRPP or only at start of CUP)?
Is HRPP only for booking into home resort or into any of the HVC/HRC (legacy) club resorts?
TY!

 

[DAman]

Great to hear!
Looks like Park city is out (even though present at old points chart posted at TUG as a sticky)... Also Aspen seems out & Breck has significantly decreased number of HVC units (& sold many to others). HKB is hard to trade into. Leaves a fairly tight footprint to trade internally, right? What kind of internal trades are folks getting?
Also newbie Q: if one buys a trader at HYN for lower MF like both of you, when can you put an internal HVC/HRC trade request (or find anything on website) for trading into? (? start of HRPP or only at start of CUP)?
Is HRPP only for booking into home resort or into any of the HVC/HRC (legacy) club resorts?
TY!

I did an internal trade into Aspen for the upcoming ski season. Six nights in a one bedroom unit in February. 870 points.

There are good ways to use points. It’s a little harder internally these days. II seems to be a lot harder. I’m reserving judgment until 2026 regarding II as I have several ongoing requests for ski locations.

Park City never was available for booking.

Think of HRPP as CUP. The points can be used anywhere once they are available one year before your week.

 

[mountainboy]

What would be a good purchase price for a HNP Platinum 2k points Resale?

 

[boraxo]

• I think annual maintenance fees were $1480 (same price regardless of Silver/Gold/Plat etc) when we purchased in 2020.
• Fee for 2025 is $1981 which includes new $34 garbage fee for credit card payments (I consider this mandatory as I'm not giving 3rd party my ACH account info or risk check washing)
• Inflation calculator suggests inflation over past 5 years was approx. 25% - so if fees matched inflation rate the current fees would be $1850

So yes, the fees have risen faster than the rate of inflation. However I expect that insurance premiums have skyrocketed for some properties (including mine at HHS) due to high risk of natural disasters. So IMO the maintenance fee increases are reasonable under the circumstances.

As for whether it makes sense to buy, only you can determine that. There are two components:

• Amortized cost of purchase. For example, if you pay $5000 for your week, you annual cost (money you could be earning by investing $5k) is $300-400 depending on your ROI.
• Annual maintenance fee - varies by property but let's ballpark at $2k per year.
• Total annual cost of ownership is $2300-2400 (obviously higher if your purchase cost is higher)
• This assumes you could resell your unit when you are done with no loss (which may or may not be true).

If you assume one week of usage then your per night cost is approx. $300 for a 2BR unit. I typically get 9 nights so my cost is a bit lower.

Do you want to lock yourself into paying $300/nt for a vacation rental? Would you typically pay this amount for the equivalent hotel rooms or airbnb/vrbo?

For us this was a no brainer as we were often paying $250/nt x 2 rooms at the adjacent Hyatt hotel property. But the internal booking engine is much worse than I expected. I value II at zero as I have never been able to use points there but obviously II is a key component for other folks.

 

[mountainboy]

• I think annual maintenance fees were $1480 (same price regardless of Silver/Gold/Plat etc) when we purchased in 2020.
• Fee for 2025 is $1981 which includes new $34 garbage fee for credit card payments (I consider this mandatory as I'm not giving 3rd party my ACH account info or risk check washing)
• Inflation calculator suggests inflation over past 5 years was approx. 25% - so if fees matched inflation rate the current fees would be $1850

So yes, the fees have risen faster than the rate of inflation. However I expect that insurance premiums have skyrocketed for some properties (including mine at HHS) due to high risk of natural disasters. So IMO the maintenance fee increases are reasonable under the circumstances.

As for whether it makes sense to buy, only you can determine that. There are two components:

• Amortized cost of purchase. For example, if you pay $5000 for your week, you annual cost (money you could be earning by investing $5k) is $300-400 depending on your ROI.
• Annual maintenance fee - varies by property but let's ballpark at $2k per year.
• Total annual cost of ownership is $2300-2400 (obviously higher if your purchase cost is higher)
• This assumes you could resell your unit when you are done with no loss (which may or may not be true).

If you assume one week of usage then your per night cost is approx. $300 for a 2BR unit. I typically get 9 nights so my cost is a bit lower.

Do you want to lock yourself into paying $300/nt for a vacation rental? Would you typically pay this amount for the equivalent hotel rooms or airbnb/vrbo?

For us this was a no brainer as we were often paying $250/nt x 2 rooms at the adjacent Hyatt hotel property. But the internal booking engine is much worse than I expected. I value II at zero as I have never been able to use points there but obviously II is a key component for other folks.

very helpful!
newbie here; for now, will hold off HRC purchase.
dipping toes in Worldmark (as I love their locations close to National Parks (& in the West) & at worst, can use my credits at local loxns in state, if necessary) & legacy HGVC (for aspirational Hawaii/Breck/PC trips).
Happy New Year !

 

[tugsnowbird]

I did an internal trade into Aspen for the upcoming ski season. Six nights in a one bedroom unit in February. 870 points.

There are good ways to use points. It’s a little harder internally these days. II seems to be a lot harder. I’m reserving judgment until 2026 regarding II as I have several ongoing requests for ski locations.

Park City never was available for booking.

Think of HRPP as CUP. The points can be used anywhere once they are available one year before your week.

newbie here, but interested in maybe purchasing a low MF HVC property like HYN, and use the points to book ski vacations at other HVC resorts.

Question: how is the availability at hot ski destination like Aspen/BeaverCreek during diamond/platinum seasons?

Also, if I purchase from a resale, what's the closing cost like? Any fees charged by HVC?

 

[DAman]

I’m not sure if the Hyatt transfer fee has gone up. It was $595 if I remember correctly.

Ski weeks are available but not plentiful. You either check frequently or put in a request. I check frequently.

I have never booked Beaver Creek but I’ve seen availability there for ski weeks and partial weeks.

Booking ski weeks requires flexibility on both date of travel and unit size.

 

[tugsnowbird]

I’m not sure if the Hyatt transfer fee has gone up. It was $595 if I remember correctly.

Ski weeks are available but not plentiful. You either check frequently or put in a request. I check frequently.

I have never booked Beaver Creek but I’ve seen availability there for ski weeks and partial weeks.

Booking ski weeks requires flexibility on both date of travel and unit size.

thanks, that's very helpful information.

When I look at HYN resales, I notice that there are different MFs on different lists. Is it true the MFs are different between say a diamond week and platinum week in the same property? Also do all owners have the same priority during CUP (first come first serve) or the diamond week owners have some priority?

If I want to rent out my reservation, I think I can request guest certificate on Hyatt internal exchanges (CUP/LCUP), but not for II (EEE)?

 

[DAman]

MF’s are not different based on season.

You have a deeded week and unit in legacy Hyatt. You have priority for your deeded week and unit. No additional priority. All owners are equal.

You are allowed to rent your deeded week and unit. Nothing else.

I believe Aspen requires a booking of three nights minimum.

 

[SteveinHNL]

With the significant 20+% increase in MFs in last 2 years & significant devaluation in II trades, is it worth buying a Legacy HRC/HVC resale now?
Asking Pro HRC/HVC tuggers @SteveinHNL , @TUGBrian , @echino , @ScoopKona , @Kal , @mjm1 , @WalnutBaron & others.
Thx a mill!

We own 2 Pinon Pointe diamond weeks 2200 pts x 2 = 4400 points. MFs are about $3300 ($1650 x 2) We use them for 1 week in Maui, 1 week in Lake Tahoe in September, and 4 nights in Carmel. I find that to be an excellent value for visiting these properties that we really enjoy. When we bought our weeks they came with some miscellaneous included points that we transferred to EEE points for use in Interval International and have enjoyed staying at Four Seasons Aviara. The key to the trades we do, particular in Maui and Four Seasons, is being flexible. Weeks will become available but you have to jump on them. If you are dead set on traveling in a particular week for you those would be extremely low percentage trades. For Lake Tahoe, we focus on 1 specific week in September each year and have been successful in getting that week.

 

[bdurstta]

I got three weeks on my single maintenance fee this year. I expect this will be normal going forward. This wasn't a normal year for us in that we completed our massive move to Hawaii. Next year, I hope to go back to business as usual.

Please PM me how you did this! I get about maybe 10 days for my week. Always open to learning new things.
Barbara

 

[ScoopKona]

Please PM me how you did this! I get about maybe 10 days for my week. Always open to learning new things.
Barbara

There's no need to PM because it's all up there in a sticky post. The point values have changed. The basic strategy has not.

 

[Tucsonadventurer]

Please PM me how you did this! I get about maybe 10 days for my week. Always open to learning new things.
Barbara

When we first bought our weeks we were all about stretching it and could get 4 or 5 weeks out of one week but we did combinatiions of off season, midweek stays, studios, and back then interval. Now that we own more and use a lot of hotel points as well, we are more discerning. If we can get one 2 bedroom in Maui we are thrilled as our our kids and grandkids. It is easy to stretch your points though. That's why there are always 3 day weekend inventory when nothing else is available

 

[PerryKing]

saw many folks report 20+% increases in last 2 years in MF thread for HVC, hence the ask...
Glad still see value there...
What's with Aspen & Escala Lodge (Park City) both being effectively out from HRC?
Cuts back the footprint even further :-(....

Aspen has been out for several years now. But since the Hyatt VC actually still owns more than a few of the units at Aspen that's why you see them pop up once in a while at Aspen for reserving on the HVC Lounge website.

Escala / Park City was never a factor in club use. Some contracted access than did not last. It was never an official HVC property. Same with the proposed one in NYC that never happened.

 

[PerryKing]

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[PerryKing]

FROM Mountainboy: " Breck has significantly decreased number of HVC units (& sold many to others) " ??

Where how did you come up with that idea? I don't think so. Nothing has changed there except they are now offering Portfolio Points reservations on some of the availability. My ski week 11, 3 bedroom, 4th floor, mountain view is for rent if you want to ski this March.

 

[dioxide45]

Please PM me how you did this! I get about maybe 10 days for my week. Always open to learning new things.
Barbara

Are you using Interval International to exchnage? It doesn't quite work like this through the internal Hyatt points club.

 

[GTLINZ]

Please PM me how you did this! I get about maybe 10 days for my week. Always open to learning new things.
Barbara

Scoop has talked about this for years. He is referencing 3 interval studios, and he works it and has posted before he has stayed all over the world.

Before the points change we could get any studio for 430 points, and he used to post that he was be able to get 5 interval studios a year (he must own Diamond).

We do a mix of Interval studios and midweek studio/1br stays and get far more than a week out of our ownership. But we also stay in studios, which does not work for everyone.

 

[dioxide45]

Scoop has talked about this for years. He is referencing 3 interval studios, and he works it and has posted before he has stayed all over the world.

Before the points change we could get any studio for 430 points, and he used to post that he was be able to get 5 interval studios a year (he must own Diamond).

We do a mix of Interval studios and midweek studio/1br stays and get far more than a week out of our ownership. But we also stay in studios, which does not work for everyone.

It should also be noted that this isn't a strategy if you like to stay at other Hyatt resorts since you can't use Hyatt points through II for other Hyatt resorts.

 

[GTLINZ]

The Hyatt block thru interval for HRC was likely put in place to stop gaming of the system. I'll use a studio for comparison. Before you could book a prime studio week which would cost 750 points internally for 430 points. The interval fee has alway been higher than internal booking fee - so that was a bit of a tradeoff - but before you would have saved a lot of points if you could have book HRC using Interval instead of internally (assuming there was availability).

Now, peak interval for a studio is 700 which is close - and the fee is much higher. So booking a studio week internally is now not many more points for peak, and now often less than Interval for off season. And internal bookings allow for less than a week.