Good idea. Thanks for letting me know. Maybe I can wear my TUG shirt to updates.
@dgalati ‘s Ovation posts already clarified that one can Ovate WITHOUT current use points.
You want false, this is false. Why does it make a difference that Delaware is a deficiency state?
Thanks for noticing that. I looked back at the contract. It’s a RTU. My mistake. Looks like the choice of law is Delaware or any other state of the PTVO’s choosing.
I wasn’t bashing Ron Parise, whom I praised in previous posts.
Is it possible that a VIP owner can book a reservation with resale points in the VIP 50% discount window and if so are they using the system to their advantage or would this be considered a loophole?
Full disclosure. I said that many posts ago. As long as you have full disclosure that's fine. I even used the example of removing a light fixture after the sale of a home. If fully disclosed ahead, no problem. The problem comes whether or not Wyndham will accept the contract. If Wyndham does not accept a deed, it can still be used for that week in that unit, in case of UDI any week in in the assigned units. So you may also have to disclose that as well. In the case of CWA you bought into a trust under the rules of the club. You own part of all 70+ resorts. That ulturnative does not exist unless Wyndham accepts it.
It's a loophole, IMHO, that will be closed at some point. Just as Wyndham has calculators in place to limit ARP reservations, it's just coding to limit the number of discounts you get to only the VIP eligible points, Developer plus PIC. Thankfully, I own very few resale points.
@Braindead care to explain why Ron Parise didn't get blamed for what he did (i.e. large-scale, strip operation, and selling or deeding back to Wyndham), but I did for my potential, isolated strip operation and, if possible, deeding back to Wyndham? I even got blamed for thousands of TS owners not paying MF.
You have to understand that there are VIP benefits that are tied to the VIP level and not associated epwith any points. That is one of them. No loophole. I bought to the Platium level. Being Platium I receive a 50% discount for being Platium. That is not associated with any points. I also own a Select contract which I hacpve ARO at National Harbor. That entitles me the ability to not only ARP AT NATIONAL HARBOR, but all Select only resorts but an additional 50+ resorts that are both CWA and Select using MY RARP at 11 months. Again because I am a VIP PLATIUM not associated with what kind of points I own. I can use ANY points at 11 months. Use year, deposit forward, or resale. Even though the directory rptelos you you can only use deposit forward points at 10 months.
You missed the point. Once you participate in the Ovations process, it's my understanding that you will be on the 'do not gift' list and that you will not be going to any timeshare presentations. You won't need the T-Shirt.
Did you ask about using current use year points before giving back to Ovations?
Yes, as long as I have future use points, they'd accept "for now." They use a lot of "for now" language.
I never thought of you & the others of being scammers, but I sure took the heat earlier in this thread for standing up for all of you by saying you’re not scammers@Braindead, I don't mean to ignore you. But honestly, I had stopped following this quite some time ago. I'm not interested in buying, using, selling, etc. Just not my thing and I lost interest (too many other things going on) and I couldn't keep up. But I do see my name mentioned and so will comment briefly. Yes, for sure, I did cancel and rebook. I never felt it was a scam, nor do I now. It was something Wyndham sales people would use as a selling tip. They would leave out that there was a risk involved (your reservation could get picked up by someone else or on rare occasions (overbooked resorts or maintenance issues) and come back).
While we are in the confessional, I also rolled points. Again, something Wyndham used as a sales incentive. Only they said you had to have developer purchased contracts in order for it to work (surprise, resale contracts sufficed). BTW, my father was ready to purchase MORE points from Wyndham, and would have had I not been there. He was in his early 80's at that time. Instead, I purchased my first resale contract following that meeting.
Sales people did not try to sell the stripping, to my knowledge. And I don't think Wyndham had a good handle on what was going on (which continues to blow me away and gets back to my shame on Wyndham comments). And for the record, it was something I chose not participate in. Not meaning to sound holy than thou, just where I chose to draw the line.
I like to think that maybe by now I've recovered the unbelievable amount of money my father spent for his VIP account. No guilt in using the account in the manner it was advertised and big bucks were spent.
As far as resale earning VIP benefits? If Wyndham wanted to stop it, sure they could. I say too may VIPers buy resale just for that reason. And they pay the maintenance on those accounts. And Wyndham needs that revenue stream. Otherwise, they would stop it. And we all know that could happen at any time. But until then, I'm in. And feel now guilt, do not consider it scamming. Wyndham is fully aware this is how the system works, I sure don't feel like I'm doing anything wrong.
I manage the account for my family and that guides the decisions I make. Sure, it has gotten to a point where I'm the one deciding what's ethical, risky, etc. I've drawn the line on areas that I thought would put the account at risk. I have my family to answer to, and that is what matters to me.
On a humorous side note, when I first realized we could cancel and rebook, I called Wyndham and asked if it was really okay. They confirmed, happily, sure you can. And they would help you. But the first couple times they told me, and I believed them, that I had to use guest confirmations to put different names on the reservations. In the old system that was not true, until 15 days from checkin, and I bet I burned 10 guest confirmations before I figured it out. The price we pay for education
Lost in this thread is:
I've never been screwed from realigned use years. I'm sure others have. But I was very careful about accepting Jan. 1 free use years or calling in to make sure there realignment only to Jan 1st use year. I actually like Wyndham for doing this.
After talking to a senior owner services rep in Austin (owners meeting), I believe that is one (big) reason they aren't prorating anymore for resale.
I have to think Wyndham makes $$ off not prorating resale contracts anymore. I've never had a problem with getting the use year I want. Then again, I call weekly. What never ceases to amaze me is that I often know more than the customer service reps. For example, he/she didn't know the program fee was $0.58 after 233k pts? Really? Of that there's a difference in program fees for resale ($135+) and retail ($155+) buyers? Really?
