Former Wyndham Sales Rep Answering Questions

[Eric B]

Hey whatever works right?

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Whenever they ask if we're married, we do ask them if they mean to each other....

 

[scootr5]

Sounds like a good one; I wonder how that would work when I check in with my wife. Guess I could just tell them she's my girlfriend....

I've done that at Glacier Canyon.

 

[lotus921v]

@RowdyRiner in your opinion how much does Wyndham corporate really know about what goes on at the resort level?

What is the best and fastest way to shut a sales person down if you have no intention of buying and just want the free gift?

What's the best and fastest way to shut down a parking pass Nazi....I mean concierge, if you do not want to deal with the back and forth about why you do not want to go to a presentation?

I was one of the lucky ones who got on the Do not sell/solicit list before they started telling people no when they asked. I have have been asked twice to go in the past couple of years.

If we want to report a sales person for deception or illegal practices, who is the best place to go to? REC? States Attorney? Owner care? BBB?

FYI, Wyndham publicly defines commercial use as advertising a rental. This applies to Facebook AirBnB, Redweek, VRBO, etc. So regardless of whether you report your income in your taxes, they will send you a nasty gram if you advertise rentals. I do know of one person who didn't advertise anything but got the letter. I'm wondering if it was because they were an admin of a large Facebook group that specially promotes renting. None of the rest of us got that letter, so I am not sure if that is the case.

Thank you for taking the time to answer these questions and satisfying our curiosity.

So I had an issue where a credit card was applied for without my signature directly after a sales presentation. I also was hugely disrespected and felt like they were trying to con me. I sent one of those emails to the guy at corporate and escalated it a few times. I forgot I asked to never be bothered again. I was trying to figure out why when I had a sales question and contacted them directly that I wouldn't get call backs. I totally forgot about it until last night. We will put it to the test for spring break and forward to see if anybody asks me, or if I got put on the list at the corporate level for pitching a huge fit and telling them I wanted the names of the salesman and manager so I could file a police report

Time will tell!

 

[Richelle]

I hope we didn't lose @RowdyRiner. His last post was 15 days ago.

 

[pedro47]

Here is a chart of the increasing ownership in WorldMark over the past few years. I could post another chart that shows a decrease in the number of members during this time. If timeshares, and WorldMark in particular, are so "evil," why do loyal WorldMark owners keep increasing their average holdings in the Club? Why does anyone own a timeshare, if timeshares are so "evil."

btw - WorldMark timeshare owners now collectively own 3,867,766,000 credits.View attachment 68125

What is the average credit for a one night stay or a seven (7) nights stay?

 

[rickandcindy23]

What is the average credit for a one night stay or a seven (7) nights stay?

You're asking how many credits for a week at a WorldMark resort? It varies. Newer resorts are credited higher. Older resorts are extremely reasonable. For example, a Dolphin's Cove 2 bedroom, 2 bathroom for 7 nights is 10,000 credits, or about $840. A 3 bedroom is 12,000 credits, so only about $168 more than a 2 bedroom. Those are incredibly nice, especially after the major update of last year.

Estes Park is pretty reasonable, too, and so is Yellowstone, but the newer resort in Granby is pointed higher and not really all that great.

I love WorldMark as a product, but we bought it to use it and it's not turned out that way.

 

[Tropicgirl13]

How long did it take you to size someone up on their knowledge?

I went to a presentation once and the guy told me a few minutes in "It's obvious I'm not going to sell you anything, but let's just chat for a bit and I'll let you guys out early". Sadly, I think my account got blacklisted because I have never been invited back.

I think I have been black listed as well...... After purchasing one in Hawaii, only to cancel 6 days later.

 

[Breezy52]

I think I have been black listed as well...... After purchasing one in Hawaii, only to cancel 6 days later.

I am now making my 2023 resolution to get blacklisted!

 

[rickandcindy23]

I am now making my 2023 resolution to get blacklisted!

Become a mega renter, and you will accomplish that goal! They hate us.

 

[Tropicgirl13]

Become a mega renter, and you will accomplish that goal! They hate us.

I have to figure out how to be a mega renter and not a timeshare listener......

 

[pedro47]

You're asking how many credits for a week at a WorldMark resort? It varies. Newer resorts are credited higher. Older resorts are extremely reasonable. For example, a Dolphin's Cove 2 bedroom, 2 bathroom for 7 nights is 10,000 credits, or about $840. A 3 bedroom is 12,000 credits, so only about $168 more than a 2 bedroom. Those are incredibly nice, especially after the major update of last year.

Estes Park is pretty reasonable, too, and so is Yellowstone, but the newer resort in Granby is pointed higher and not really all that great.

I love WorldMark as a product, but we bought it to use it and it's not turned out that way.

You're asking how many credits for a week at a WorldMark resort? It varies. Newer resorts are credited higher. Older resorts are extremely reasonable. For example, a Dolphin's Cove 2 bedroom, 2 bathroom for 7 nights is 10,000 credits, or about $840. A 3 bedroom is 12,000 credits, so only about $168 more than a 2 bedroom. Those are incredibly nice, especially after the major update of last year.

Estes Park is pretty reasonable, too, and so is Yellowstone, but the newer resort in Granby is pointed higher and not really all that great.

I love WorldMark as a product, but we bought it to use it and it's not turned out that way.

THANK!

 

[CO skier]

What is the average credit for a one night stay or a seven (7) nights stay?

The median credits required for all resorts are 8,000 for 7 nights in a 1 bedroom and 10,000 credits for 7 nights in a 2 bedroom. At the average ownership level of 17,000-18,000 credits, that is less than $800 for the 1 bedroom week and less than $1,000 for the 2 bedroom week. I think these costs will hold true in 2023 even after the 7.9% increase in maintenance fees.

On a nightly basis, Friday and Saturday nights are twice the credit cost as Monday through Thursday nights, which is why I avoid Friday and Saturday nights whenever possible (90% of the time for me).

 

[pedro47]

The median credits required for all resorts are 8,000 for 7 nights in a 1 bedroom and 10,000 credits for 7 nights in a 2 bedroom. At the average ownership level of 17,000-18,000 credits, that is less than $800 for the 1 bedroom week and less than $1,000 for the 2 bedroom week. I think these costs will hold true in 2023 even after the 7.9% increase in maintenance fees.

On a nightly basis, Friday and Saturday nights are twice the credit cost as Monday through Thursday nights, which is why I avoid Friday and Saturday nights whenever possible (90% of the time for me).

Thanks, that is the answer, I was searching for.

 

[RowdyRiner]

So TS sales individuals are independent contractors for tax purposes.

Not all. Wyndham you're a regular W-2 Employee.

 

[RowdyRiner]

@RowdyRiner in your opinion how much does Wyndham corporate really know about what goes on at the resort level?

What is the best and fastest way to shut a sales person down if you have no intention of buying and just want the free gift?

What's the best and fastest way to shut down a parking pass Nazi....I mean concierge, if you do not want to deal with the back and forth about why you do not want to go to a presentation?

I was one of the lucky ones who got on the Do not sell/solicit list before they started telling people no when they asked. I have have been asked twice to go in the past couple of years.

If we want to report a sales person for deception or illegal practices, who is the best place to go to? REC? States Attorney? Owner care? BBB?

FYI, Wyndham publicly defines commercial use as advertising a rental. This applies to Facebook AirBnB, Redweek, VRBO, etc. So regardless of whether you report your income in your taxes, they will send you a nasty gram if you advertise rentals. I do know of one person who didn't advertise anything but got the letter. I'm wondering if it was because they were an admin of a large Facebook group that specially promotes renting. None of the rest of us got that letter, so I am not sure if that is the case.

Thank you for taking the time to answer these questions and satisfying our curiosity.

Wyndham Corporate knows all and does not care as long as they're making money. The best way to shut down Salesman and Marketing (Concierge) is to say you're going through bankruptcy or you're in a Lawsuit to Cancel Ownership. As far as complaining, you can call Owner Care but that hardly does anything. Lawyers won't mess with it without money, and the REC wants proof prior, so a recording or screenshots of some sort. Also, to clarify. I pay taxes on all my income, people were just being annoying and it was too easy to elicit a response.

 

[RowdyRiner]

I hope we didn't lose @RowdyRiner. His last post was 15 days ago.

I'm here. Sorry for delay. Holidays and death in the family so I haven't checked in until today.

 

[Lisa P]

Sorry to hear of your loss - especially hard near holidays. Thank you for sharing your impressions and experiences here.

 

[HitchHiker71]

I'm here. Sorry for delay. Holidays and death in the family so I haven't checked in until today.

So sorry to hear about a death in your family. Sincerest condolences on your loss.

 

[ronparise]

Not all. Wyndham you're a regular W-2 Employee.

I dont know about Wyndham but there was a day that I worked on 100% commission and was a w-2 employee, with benefits, health care, a pension plan and 401k

 

[RowdyRiner]

I dont know about Wyndham but there was a day that I worked on 100% commission and was a w-2 employee, with benefits, health care, a pension plan and 401k

Well yes with Wyndham you are still 100% Commission because you pay the Draw back and yes you get benefits.

 

[CO skier]

but the newer resort in Granby is pointed higher and not really all that great.

I spent 4 nights (Monday through Thursday) over New Years right after the 4 Bedroom Casitas opened at WorldMark Granby. It was like having our own million dollar mountain cabin! Private hot tub on the deck (it was so cold our hair collected icicles, but we just cranked-up the temperature and drank some wine). It was wellllll worth whatever credits we paid.

Any other timeshares -- Marriot, Hilton, Vistana -- have stand alone 3 and 4 bedroom mountain cabins with private hot tubs in their systems?

 

[Breezy52]

I'm here. Sorry for delay. Holidays and death in the family so I haven't checked in until today.

Take care, take your time

 

[pedro47]

I'm here. Sorry for delay. Holidays and death in the family so I haven't checked in until today.

I'm very sorry to hear about the loss in your family. It is never a good time to lose a family member or a friend.

Please take care of yourself and your family.

 

[pedro47]

I spent 4 nights (Monday through Thursday) over New Years right after the 4 Bedroom Casitas opened at WorldMark Granby. It was like having our own million dollar mountain cabin! Private hot tub on the deck (it was so cold our hair collected icicles, but we just cranked-up the temperature and drank some wine). It was wellllll worth whatever credits we paid.

Any other timeshares -- Marriot, Hilton, Vistana -- have stand alone 3 and 4 bedroom mountain cabins with private hot tubs in their systems?

Sound liked a penthouse.

 

[Breezy52]

This isn’t in the mountains, but it simply wonderful, the Worldmark at Deer Harbor on orcas Island. Each unit has a hot tub on the deck. There is one each of a three bedroom and a two bedroom right on the harbor front. We’ve been to orcas five times and it’s one of our favorites, although it is getting rather crowded or such a small island. for the first time we have snagged the three bedroom next summer. Which will be great if family can come, although for ourselves, the studios are just awesome best studios in the system.