CLOSED: Thread Dedicated to the Upcoming/Anticipated Integration of Vistana & Marriott Ownerships (Marriott Link + Vistana Discussion)

[remowidget]

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[remowidget]

Worth it??

It depends upon you. Do you want the star options? If so, maybe. If not, no.

 

[SandyPGravel]

A common theme I have noticed from reading about Vistana-owner updates is the MVC sales staff stating/implying that to play in the DP pool, even if you are 5* maxed out with a gazillion SO you need to buy a small package 1000 DP(as an example.) But, anyone with current DP points and no Vistana ownership, will be able to book an available Vistana week that's been added to the pool (either through deposit or MVC acquiring weeks), without a required additional purchase?

Am I understanding what is being relayed or am I way out in left field? I realize many sales staff will say anything to make a buck, but I'm wondering if the MVC-owner updates are spinning a similar tale regarding buying more to be able to access the Vistana weeks?

 

[dioxide45]

A common theme I have noticed from reading about Vistana-owner updates is the MVC sales staff stating/implying that to play in the DP pool, even if you are 5* maxed out with a gazillion SO you need to buy a small package 1000 DP(as an example.) But, anyone with current DP points and no Vistana ownership, will be able to book an available Vistana week that's been added to the pool (either through deposit or MVC acquiring weeks), without a required additional purchase?

Am I understanding what is being relayed or am I way out in left field? I realize many sales staff will say anything to make a buck, but I'm wondering if the MVC-owner updates are spinning a similar tale regarding buying more to be able to access the Vistana weeks?

Based on some of the earlier reports, there will be no buy in or fee for Vistana owners that are eligible. That could change, but I suspect most people being told that are done so in order to attempt for the salesperson to get a sale, nothing more.

 

[dsmrp]

A common theme I have noticed from reading about Vistana-owner updates is the MVC sales staff stating/implying that to play in the DP pool, even if you are 5* maxed out with a gazillion SO you need to buy a small package 1000 DP(as an example.) But, anyone with current DP points and no Vistana ownership, will be able to book an available Vistana week that's been added to the pool (either through deposit or MVC acquiring weeks), without a required additional purchase?

Am I understanding what is being relayed or am I way out in left field? I realize many sales staff will say anything to make a buck, but I'm wondering if the MVC-owner updates are spinning a similar tale regarding buying more to be able to access the Vistana weeks?

What I recall from previous posts is buy DC pts in order to access inventory in the DC trust. Otherwise the DC inventory available to Vistana owners electing for DC, are what other Marriott owners have relinquished for DC points. These units should be in a separate pool than the trust.

I think previously Vistana sales were not able to sell DC points. But after the final rollout later this month or next, that's all they'll be selling.

 

[aimersyo]

It sounds like there were two separate interactions. The first person, a few months ago, said that they wouldn't be able to access Marriott resorts. The second person, phone call today, said that they would be able to access Marriott resorts. She also gave the # of DPs. She didn't contradict herself, but did contradict the person from a few months back.

Anyway, tomorrow is June 1. Will we get a formal announcement? LOL!

Correct, when I as at WDW, the sales guy was trying to get me to buy more flex options (sorry, I still don't know all the lingo), and at that time he told me I would not have access to the MDC unless i bought into it. I was very annoyed at the time, because it definitely felt as though he would say anything misleading to get me to buy more.

Last week I got an unsolicited owners call which contradicted what I was told a few months ago. That my current Flex Options absolutely will be able to be used at the Marriott properties.

 

[kozykritter]

Hold on to your hats for this one! I have MVC Summit Watch and Mountainside stays over the next three weeks and received an advance call from the local resort marketing people inviting me to a sales presentation during my Park City stays. The super nice lady kept referring to me as a Marriott owner even though I only own Sheraton Flex and for the incentive they offered me Bonvoy points, a visa card or Marriott DP. I told her that I don't currently own MVC and have no Marriott account to put DP into as they haven't launched the new program so I haven't enrolled my Flex into DC to create an account. She told me that I have already been assigned a Marriott owner number and have an account with them that she was looking at right now! It's just not funded with my ownership yet. I nearly fell off my chair...mind blown!

With the "merger" (her words), they have reached the point where we Vistana-ites are considered Marriott owners, all without lifting a finger on our part. Of course we can't yet use their system but those days are fast approaching. This explains why she knew so much about my reservations, room preferences, recent sales presentations, etc, something I never experienced at those properties as an exchanger or renter. She said DP pops up now as an incentive option for me because of this, and if I chose it, it would go into that owner account and be waiting for me when I gained access (after the launch).

It actually felt good to learn all this, like the stepchild that suddenly gets recognized by the family and warmly invited to the table. I guess this supports my ongoing theory that all Vistana accounts will be/have been migrated onto Marriott's IT platform and will be accessed there, even if through backend access via Vistana.com. This information creates more questions like will I be able to access and use the DP in 2022, even if I don't enroll my Flex into DC? Someone mentioned they were told that Vistana Elite levels were going away and everyone would have Marriott Elite levels instead...this would make sense for them creating Marriott owner accounts as I'm a 3*. So many questions!

 

[emeryjre]

How soon will all this be implemented and the new program be in writing? A week in June has already gone by

 

[kozykritter]

How soon will all this be implemented and the new program be in writing? A week in June has already gone by

I was told early July at a presentation on Saturday. The sales people had been told July 1st by higher ups but that is subject to change. You probably won't see anything in writing until it launches. That is why this thread has 96 pages...to speculate!

 

[emeryjre]

At some point I read early June in this 96 page thread. So now I will ask again around July 7th.

 

[dsmrp]

Hold on to your hats for this one! I have MVC Summit Watch and Mountainside stays over the next three weeks and received an advance call from the local resort marketing people inviting me to a sales presentation during my Park City stays. The super nice lady kept referring to me as a Marriott owner even though I only own Sheraton Flex and for the incentive they offered me Bonvoy points, a visa card or Marriott DP. I told her that I don't currently own MVC and have no Marriott account to put DP into as they haven't launched the new program so I haven't enrolled my Flex into DC to create an account. She told me that I have already been assigned a Marriott owner number and have an account with them that she was looking at right now! It's just not funded with my ownership yet. I nearly fell off my chair...mind blown!

With the "merger" (her words), they have reached the point where we Vistana-ites are considered Marriott owners, all without lifting a finger on our part. Of course we can't yet use their system but those days are fast approaching. This explains why she knew so much about my reservations, room preferences, recent sales presentations, etc, something I never experienced at those properties as an exchanger or renter. She said DP pops up now as an incentive option for me because of this, and if I chose it, it would go into that owner account and be waiting for me when I gained access (after the launch).

It actually felt good to learn all this, like the stepchild that suddenly gets recognized by the family and warmly invited to the table. I guess this supports my ongoing theory that all Vistana accounts will be/have been migrated onto Marriott's IT platform and will be accessed there, even if through backend access via Vistana.com. This information creates more questions like will I be able to access and use the DP in 2022, even if I don't enroll my Flex into DC? Someone mentioned they were told that Vistana Elite levels were going away and everyone would have Marriott Elite levels instead...this would make sense for them creating Marriott owner accounts as I'm a 3*. So many questions!

Hmm, if we're considered " Marriott owners",
would be great if that extended to Marriott preference for II exchanges .

I have a VSN stay in about a month.
Hope the concierge contacts us with a good update mtg offer

 

[Eric B]

Hmm, if we're considered " Marriott owners",
would be great if that extended to Marriott preference for II exchanges .

I have a VSN stay in about a month.
Hope the concierge contacts us with a good update mtg offer

Well, shouldn't we unwashed resale Vistana owners also be "Marriott owners" now, too?

 

[kozykritter]

Well, shouldn't we unwashed resale Vistana owners also be "Marriott owners" now, too?

Haha. I don't think there are any poor relations in this game. Anyone that is a Vistana owner is now a Marriott owner. How that functions might be the only difference

 

[Eric B]

Haha. I don't think there are any poor relations in this game. Anyone that is a Vistana owner is now a Marriott owner. How that functions might be the only difference

Roger that. I just wonder how much more it'll wind up costing the operations side to keep out the mandatory resale owners and mandatory resale ownerships of folks with both. Think I'll just be happy to keep using the VSN if they lock me out of the rest in any case.

 

[TravelTime]

Our Vistana ownership are already qualified so no additional enrollment would be needed. We intend to continue to use SOs and II to trade, unless we have a need for more DC points to book a specific DC reservation.

Your situation is perfect. You have the best of all worlds since your Vistana week in already enrolled.

 

[remowidget]

Hmm, if we're considered " Marriott owners",
would be great if that extended to Marriott preference for II exchanges .

We already have a Marriott preference for II exchanges. It sounds like the associated fees for Marriott & Vistana will go away as well. Of course this is for weeks enrolled in the system.

 

[dsmrp]

Well, shouldn't we unwashed resale Vistana owners also be "Marriott owners" now, too?

I'd give resale Vistana owners Marriott preference in II. That would be a nice gesture to make Vistana resale II
pref same as Marriott resale. And an easy programming change too. However I'm pretty sure Marriott has different definitions or shades of Marriott ownership.

 

[remowidget]

Well, shouldn't we unwashed resale Vistana owners also be "Marriott owners" now, too?

I think that is what is going to happen. We will all be Marriott owners.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

I hope there is not a clause that eliminates our mandatory resale status if we elect to participate in the DP program. That would be a complete show-stopper. Will be looking at the fine print very closely before making any elective change.

 

[DanCali]

What a great explanation of why you want to convert. I am impressed with all of that. But you obviously bought Westin North Oceanfront from the developer. We are resale oceanfront owners We still paid a lot for us because we are not rich people. I don't think we can be talked into anything that will cost us big bucks. I am not an easy sell on anything.

This is a good perspective. In the end my view is that whatever you buy from Marriott to enroll a week can be translated into an “enrollment fee”.

In you pay $30k for something worth $6k on the resale market if you try to sell it, and get some extra incentives worth $3k when you buy, then that difference of 21k is your “enrollment fee”. If they let you enroll 2weeks as part of that purchase it’s better than 1 week (Vistana would let you do 5 weeks for a $30k purchase).

If the “enrollment fee” was labeled as such, I suspect that very few would pay $10k+ to enroll a week into an exchange system. But when it’s wrapped around a product with high MF and a rental value equal to MF it somehow becomes more appealing…


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[remowidget]

If the “enrollment fee” was labeled as such, I suspect that very few would pay $10k+ to enroll a week into an exchange system. But when it’s wrapped around a product with high MF and a rental value equal to MF it somehow becomes more appealing…

Not disagreeing with the logic, but aren't Marriott Destination Point resales required to pay a $3 per point enrollment fee?

 

[jabberwocky]

I hope there is not a clause that eliminates our mandatory resale status if we elect to participate in the DP program. That would be a complete show-stopper. Will be looking at the fine print very closely before making any elective change.

I don’t think they can do this without eliminating the VSN. The mandatory clause is written into the association charter. They can’t pull individual VOIs out of the system.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

@jabberwocky Good point. But what about mandatory deeds that are in Flex trust?

 

[VacationForever]

Not disagreeing with the logic, but aren't Marriott Destination Point resales required to pay a $3 per point enrollment fee?

You cannot enroll a resale week by buying resale DC points.

 

[TravelTime]

I hope there is not a clause that eliminates our mandatory resale status if we elect to participate in the DP program. That would be a complete show-stopper. Will be looking at the fine print very closely before making any elective change.

I would be surprised if this happens. I enrolled a Marriott week that I bought resale. I can use it exactly as I purchased it or I can elect for DPs. Just more choices.