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[dioxide45]

Thanks for clarifying. Okay so no elite, no Bonvoy but those features are not worth much and Bonvoy conversion is a poor use of MF that are almost $3000 a week so I don't consider those of value. It's the mandatory SO for resale buyers that is the huge benefit.

Correct. The other benefits of VSN are of little utility. Mandatory really just means StarOptions which are the main benefit.

 

[kozykritter]

Marriott resale points only have to pay the $3 per point to be allowed to use the MVC Exchange Company to have full access to the system.

Help me out here because my mind is muddled after my latest sales presentation, a common ailment among owners. Resale points are DC trust points, yes? Meaning they would have access to all the DC trust inventory plus the inventory in the MVC Exchange Company resulting from elected DPs? Or is it something different?

When they tried to sell me a 1000 points to create hybrid ownership and make my elected Vistana ownership fully able to book from the DC trust inventory as well as MVC Exchange, I of course said I could go out and get some points resale to achieve the same thing by paying the junk fees and they said that those points aren't treated the same as DC points purchased directly. That left me confused! Maybe to get this extra access to the DC trust for all your ownership including Vistana you have to buy directly from them.

 

[VacationForever]

Help me out here because my mind is muddled after my latest sales presentation, a common ailment among owners. Resale points are DC trust points, yes? Meaning they would have access to all the DC trust inventory plus the inventory in the MVC Exchange Company resulting from elected DPs? Or is it something different?

When they tried to sell me a 1000 points to create hybrid ownership and make my elected Vistana ownership fully able to book from the DC trust inventory as well as MVC Exchange, I of course said I could go out and get some points resale to achieve the same thing by paying the junk fees and they said that those points aren't treated the same as DC points purchased directly. That left me confused! Maybe to get this extra access to the DC trust for all your ownership including Vistana you have to buy directly from them.

Trust points have access to DC Trust and MVC Exchange inventories. Resale trust points act just like developer bought trust points when junk fees are paid, except that they cannot be used to enroll resale deeds.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Question: How far in advance can a DC-enrolled owner at the highest level book accommodations?

That might be better asked on the Marriott forum.

 

[dioxide45]

Resale points are DC trust points, yes? Meaning they would have access to all the DC trust inventory plus the inventory in the MVC Exchange Company resulting from elected DPs? Or is it something different?

Correct, the only real difference here when comparing to Vistana Flex products is that DC points don't have a priority period when booking trust inventory. They could, but there is no defined timeframe. Most trust inventory goes to the MVC Exchange Company very early. As early as 12 months in advance. Where a Vistana Flex owner can't book exchanger (VSN) inventory until 8 months.

 

[dioxide45]

Question: How far in advance can a DC-enrolled owner at the highest level book accommodations?

That might be better asked on the Marriott forum.

13 months (based on inventory release dates).

 

[TravelTime]

Yes, but that wasn’t the comparison I was making. I was saying they are selling you something for $15/point which you can sell only for only $2-$3/point. If you want to say it’s $5-$6 to buy the points resale because of some artificial fee then that’s true. It doesn’t change the fact that the “true” value is $2-$3 and that’s what you get ;today) if you sell them.


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That is true if you try to sell them. However, everyone on TUG faces choices and each person values different things:

1-Buy retail DPs from MVC for $15 pp - most expensive option and lose almost all value when you walk out the door*
2-Buy DPs resales for an average of $6 pp -moderate price, might get back half the cost*
3-Buy a “hybrid” enrolled week directly from Marriott - moderate price, might get back half or less the cost depending on the week purchased*
*Able to exchange in MVC system, use II and use as a week (if enrolled week), and choose views, unit size, #days
and some resorts not available without DPs such as Ritz Carlton residence clubs
4-Buy a resale week - cheapest price and usually resale value is stable but not always, not the most flexible option) and only have access to II exchanges
5-Stay at hotels - often most expensive option for what you get but can use Bonvoy points, just 1 room, no kitchen, a great option for locations without timeshares
6-Rent on AirBnB - often there’s a lack of quality control, need to deal with an owner’s whims, could have roaches and spider webs LOL someone just told me about this happening to them in Northstar Lake Tahoe of all places!
7-Rent weeks from other owners - often but not always the same cost as MFs except in high demand locations like Hawaii, deal with owner’s whims, often non-refundable
8-Rent DPs from another owner - usually cost of MFs, non-refundable, must be used in use year, may not find any available

Maybe there are other options I missed like owning a fractional or a second home but I purposely excluded these. I am sure there are other pros and cons of each option.

Everyone values different things and cost is not primary for many people. I value flexibility, choice, views and getting what I want more than cost.

When we are giving advice to new Tuggers as well as existing ones, we may want to share all the options and pros/cons of each.

 

[kozykritter]

Most trust inventory goes to the MVC Exchange Company very early. As early as 12 months in advance.

Wait, I thought DC trust inventory only transferred to the MVC exchange company when a trust points were used to book inventory held in the exchange and a equal amount of inventory was moved over from the trust to complete the exchange. How does DC trust inventory arrive in the exchange otherwise? I was told by the salespeople that as a Vistana owner electing points the only time I would access DC trust inventory was as a result of the scenario above.

 

[dioxide45]

Wait, I thought DC trust inventory only transferred to the MVC exchange company when a trust points were used to book inventory held in the exchange and a equal amount of inventory was moved over from the trust to complete the exchange. How does DC trust inventory arrive in the exchange otherwise? I was told by the salespeople that as a Vistana owner electing points the only time I would access DC trust inventory was as a result of the scenario above.

That isn't how it actually works. It could work that way, but in reality Marriott just dumps most of the trust inventory in to the MCV Exchange Company and then allows it to facilitate all reservations and bookings. Based on reports, very few Trust reservations actually show that they booked reservations from the DC Trust.

Right now, trust points and elected points are pretty much equal. Marriott could change it to where they keep more inventory in the trust and don't release it to exchange until a trust owner books exchange, but that isn't how it happens right now.

 

[kozykritter]

That isn't how it actually works. It could work that way, but in reality Marriott just dumps most of the trust inventory in to the MCV Exchange Company and then allows it to facilitate all reservations and bookings. Based on reports, very few Trust reservations actually show that they booked reservations from the DC Trust.

Right now, trust points and elected points are pretty much equal. Marriott could change it to where they keep more inventory in the trust and don't release it to exchange until a trust owner books exchange, but that isn't how it happens right now.

Wow, thanks for that info. One of the questions today in my post sales presentation survey was to rate my knowledge of the MVC on a scale from 1 to 10. I chose 7 but now I think 3 or 4 probably would have been more appropriate

 

[mkbii]

Lots of good questions.

So for WKOVRN 2BR OF, we will get 8325 DPs EOY in its use year. I have another EOY that I get points for so to me, it works out just fine whether they are annual or EOY. For status, MVC averages the points as if they were annual. So that means 8325 are divided in half to figure out your status level but awarded in the usage year. Since you can bank and borrow points, the year awarded makes less difference. It does help that I am Presidential so I get 1.5 years to use the points after I bank them. There is no fee to bank points. I have never borrowed so I am not sure about that. I have not heard of a fee for borrowing.

In terms of how many vacations you can get from 8325 DPs, it is really quite a lot depending on the unit size, season, view and location. A few examples of things I have booked using DPs:

4250 DPs: Marco Island 2 BR Gulf front in June (there are many view categories here but this is the highest view category, which I booked for next summer)

5725 DPs: Ko Olina 2 BR Ocean view (equivalent to ocean front at WKOVRN) in summer (can go as low as 4925 DPs in shoulder season)

3675 DPs: Ritz Carlton St Thomas 2BR suite (all oceanfront at this resort) in summer - on our way here now, assuming we ever get here. Our plane has mechanical difficulties!

5875 DPs: Waiohai Beach Club in Kauai 2 BR Ocean View in summer (can go as low as 5025 in shoulder seasons…however most people think island view at this resort is just fine…I think it’s because ocean views at this resort are not as incredible like at other resorts so island view saves about 1000 DPs or so)

For Marbella in Spain, the 2BRs are mostly high 2000s to low 3000s in DPs with a few high weeks in the summer being a little over 4000 DPs. Just giving some more examples to show how many vacations you can take using 8325 DPs.

For the above, you use a lot fewer DPs if you chose a different view or unit size and more points if you choose a higher season. But very few locations are going to be over 6000-7000 DPs even in high season. Maui is probably the highest in the program.

You can take a look at the points charts here:

https://vacationpointexchange.com/pointschart/points_charts_2023.pdf

Nowadays, I book when the booking window opens to get exactly what I want. Prior to Covid, I was not having to worry quite as much about the booking window.

To me, the most attractive part of qualifying my Vistana week is I can get more vacations at more destinations in what I consider to be equivalent view types in 2BR units for 8325 DPs. If I lock off my 2BR at WKOVRN, then I only get a 1BR and a studio. If I want to visit other VSE resorts, I need to use SOs at 8 months when most inventory I would desire would be unavailable. I also prefer booking at 13 or 12 months, depending on when the resort opens its inventory for booking with DPs.

1st time posting. Sorry if this is not the correct way. I'm looking for a conversion chart for the MVC/Vistana system. I own both. MVC Maui 2b/2b OF 7475 dp Ann, 1b/2b OV deeded secondary market ann. Vistana Nanea 2b/2b RV 148100 EOY, WKOV 1b OV 81000 EOY. Thanks

 

[dioxide45]

1st time posting. Sorry if this is not the correct way. I'm looking for a conversion chart for the MVC/Vistana system. I own both. MVC Maui 2b/2b OF 7475 dp Ann, 1b/2b OV deeded secondary market ann. Vistana Nanea 2b/2b RV 148100 EOY, WKOV 1b OV 81000 EOY. Thanks

No such published chart exists.

 

[William Seward]

No such published chart exists.

Maybe this will help

I spoke to our Nanea sales rep. She said Westin148100 will convert to 6200+ Marriott points.

That July 01, is the target date for going live. Who knows..........

Bill Seward

 

[dioxide45]

Maybe this will help

I spoke to our Nanea sales rep. She said Westin148100 will convert to 6200+ Marriott points.

That July 01, is the target date for going live. Who knows..........

Bill Seward

Yeah, that is all we get. Numbers reported out of sales meetings. No such charts, in writing, anywhere.

 

[VacationForever]

Maybe this will help

I spoke to our Nanea sales rep. She said Westin148100 will convert to 6200+ Marriott points.

That July 01, is the target date for going live. Who knows..........

Bill Seward

Westin Flex or Nanea Flex?

 

[mkbii]

No such published chart exists.

 

[mkbii]

Thanks. I saw different post with conversions and conversion rates and thought there was a "chart" I was told at my MVC meeting
6800 for my Nanea or 3900 because its EOY and 0 for my WKOV because its resale but nothing in writing.

 

[dioxide45]

Thanks. I saw different post with conversions and conversion rates and thought there was a "chart" I was told at my MVC meeting
6800 for my Nanea or 3900 because its EOY and 0 for my WKOV because its resale but nothing in writing.

We have seen some handwritten stuff come out of presentations, but nothing formal where you can go to a website or pull out a book and look at it.

 

[jabberwocky]

We have seen some handwritten stuff come out of presentations, but nothing formal where you can go to a website or pull out a book and look at it.

In fairness, there are books and charts in the presentations. They just haven’t been widely distributed to the public yet.

 

[dioxide45]

In fairness, there are books and charts in the presentations. They just haven’t been widely distributed to the public yet.

I think the only printed material seen is charts for booking resorts with points, no printed material for what a week or flex would elect for.

 

[jabberwocky]

I think the only printed material seen is charts for booking resorts with points, no printed material for what a week or flex would elect for.

I don’t think they will ever produce such a document with election values (this would make the skim too obvious). Do they have a directory of what all of the MVC resort weeks elect to?

 

[dioxide45]

I don’t think they will ever produce such a document with election values (this would make the skim too obvious). Do they have a directory of what all of the MVC resort weeks elect to?

No directory, but each owner can go online to see what their week elects for before they enroll.

 

[jabberwocky]

No directory, but each owner can go online to see what their week elects for.

That’s what I thought. We are supposed to be able to do the same when the “tool” (The terms used by our salesperson) is rolled out to members. Sales currently has access and can do a printout, but they won’t let you take it with you - which is highly annoying.

 

[Red elephant]

That’s what I thought. We are supposed to be able to do the same when the “tool” (The terms used by our salesperson) is rolled out to members. Sales currently has access and can do a printout, but they won’t let you take it with you - which is highly annoying.

When I had my presentation at Marco Island they printed mine out and gave it to me. My connection at central sales emailed it to me. So you can get it if you want it.

 

[remowidget]

That’s what I thought. We are supposed to be able to do the same when the “tool” (The terms used by our salesperson) is rolled out to members. Sales currently has access and can do a printout, but they won’t let you take it with you - which is highly annoying.

I just did an update a few weeks ago and I would have loved to see the printout. She wouldn't give me any specific details.