CLOSED: Thread Dedicated to the Upcoming/Anticipated Integration of Vistana & Marriott Ownerships (Marriott Link + Vistana Discussion)

[Mroze]

I agree. I would never devalue our Westin weeks by moving them to anything Marriott. I wish they would just leave the systems separate. This is such a crazy idea to me.

Not sure when or where this rumor started "The VSN-System could go away".
To the contrary, Denise's contact mentioned that "VSN-Members would continue to exchange as before if they chose to do so".
I saw a Training-Video that explicitly states that "Enrolled VSN-Owners will have an additional option each year to elect Marriott-DP".
However, "VSN-Owners could continue to transact business as usual if they so choose".

Effectively the VSN is not going away. Nothing changes if owners choose to not want to participate.

• This applies to both Enrolled & Non-Enrolled.
  • Enrolled owners would have one more option [DCP-System]
• This applies to both Direct & Resale contracts.
• This applies to both Mandatory-Resale [II & VSN] & Voluntary-Resale weeks [II].

Future: Anything can happen in the future. I don't think even Marriott knows what will happen to inventory & availability within the VSN as that depends on the value VSN-Owners find in the new DP.
Past is all I have as a reference point. Being a resale-owner [Pre-2010], I have seen good things [1-Fee-DCP, Free-II-Membership, Free-II-Exchanges, Unlimited-II-Changes] happen after the DCP-System.
Pre-2010 all I had was II and it worked well. Post-2010, I have continued to use II for exchanges into 2BR-Hawaii-Units [Westin-Maui/Princeville, Marriott-Lahaina/Oahu] using a Studio/1BR without even paying a Size-Upgrade fee. This year, for the first time in over a decade we chose to elect DCP-Points for my Deeded-Weeks because I have too many units deposited with II [COVID et al] and like the DCP-Flexibility/Options/Choices [Free-Banking/Borrowing, 2+Years, Free-Changes/Cancel, Points-Discounts, Liberal-Election-Windows, II-Options].

Speculation: I think the worst thing Marriott could have done is the Soft-Launch which [unlike the "2010-Surprise" DCP-System with no notice] has caused speculation to run rampant. I dread waiting another 6-8 weeks and wonder how much yarn we will spin out of thin air. Having read every single post on this thread, I have seen ZERO new facts [from Marriott or Denise's contact], however, I have seen numerous new theories building on top of others. Using the 7-Whisper analogy, I can see myself causing unnecessary stress as the message gets diluted while we speculate the multiple permutations and "what ifs". Some of us speculate on a wish/hope more than a fact which is human nature. I think we need to take time to digest what we have and "wait-and-see" what happens as the magnitude of the impact of these changes will be as varied as the varied types of ownership's we all have.

 

[TravelTime]

But you talking about DC program causing resale weeks devaluation. In 2009, Marriott weeks could only use II to trade. They had no clue that they were going to get an internal trading system. If I buy a resale week now, I also have the option to use II to trade.

Owners, retail and resale purchase, before DC program got the benefit of being able to enroll.

Maybe we are miscommunicating. I am not talking about II. To me, II is not a benefit. Maybe your second point is what I mean. I thought if you purchased resale prior to 2010, that you could enroll the week for $595 or so. I thought if you purchased a week resale after 2010, then you have to buy points or a hybrid week direct from MVC to enroll the resale week.

Oh maybe I get what you mean. Before 2010, there was no DP program so are you saying no one lost anything since there was nothing to enroll into prior to 2010? Then why did MVC bother to let weeks owners grandfather in at all if they lost nothing? They could use II before and they could use II after. No loss. It did create a 2 tiered system with weeks purchased prior to 2010 being much more valuable than weeks purchased after, at least in my opinion since I really value the DP program.

In a way, what you might be saying is no different than Disney. Prior to 2020, there were no new resorts. They got rid of being able to exchange into new resorts for resale buyers. DVC owners hated that but technically resale buyers lost nothing. If you sold a contract after 2020, the new buyers could still exchange into the same resorts they had access to prior to 2020, just no new resorts built after the 2020 cut off date. There were so many complaints that Disney was trying to devalue the resale market. Disney did grandfather in all existing owners. So no one lost anything when you look at it from this POV.

To me, MVC did devalue resale because when the DP program started, they did not let resale week owners elect DPs like they did for week owners prior to 2010. While technically no one lost anything since DPs did not exist prior to 2010, it was a loss of a potential benefit that never came to be.

People on this thread are complaining that Vistana is being devalued. But looking at it from the same POV, Vistana owners are losing nothing as long as they can still use SOs like before. To me, it is irrelevant what MVC is awarding for DPs for Vistana resorts if you are not electing DPs.

You can look at it both ways. I see it as a great advantage to weeks owners who owned prior to 2010.

Okay, so what am I missing here?

 

[CalGalTraveler]

If you lock off at WKOVRN OF 2 BR, you would get a 1BR and studio. I would never use a studio even for just my husband and me. With SOs, at some nice locations, it is possible to get a 1 BR for 81,000 SOs but off season and at 8 months assuming stuff is left. Now we have 2 kids so we could only use a 2 BR.

With DPs, if it is true you can get 8300 DPs for a WKOVRN OF 2 BR, you could actually use 3900 DPs for a 2BR OF at the Ritz St Thomas so you could get 2 weeks there in June/July before hurricane season and still have some DPs left over. You can book this at 13 months, which I did last year and I have 15 nights there coming up this June. It was approx 10,000 DPs for 15 nights. This is not much more than 8300 that we would get for WKOVRN OF 2BR. This is just an example. There are other nice beachfront resorts that have a similar DP value for 2BR OF or island view. I tend to go for ocean view. Even at Ko Olina, you can get OV (they do not have OF category) which is spectacular for 4900-5800 DPs per week. So you could easily get 1.5 weeks for sure in 2 BR ocean view at many locations and 2+ weeks at some locations.

That sounds like a good value, however you have 13 month reservations and Elite because you are already invested in the MVC DP system. You can look for availability in advance. And yet you said you still do not see sufficient value to buy in.

For someone who doesn't have 13 month nor elite, I question whether one would be able to find that kind of availability at these resorts before depositing and would not want to risk giving up OF Maui and not getting it. Most WKORV owners are likely in this category. Plus they are happy going to Maui every year. Why spend $20k - $30k buy in to get 12 month reservations, risk. It seems we could rent out the WKORVN unit and use the money to rent exactly where we want to go. Much safer and no additional DP MF obligation.

 

[VacationForever]

Maybe we are miscommunicating. I am not talking about II. To me, II is not a benefit. Maybe your second point is what I mean. I thought if you purchased resale prior to 2010, that you could enroll the week for $595 or so. I thought if you purchased a week resale after 2010, then you have to buy points or a hybrid week direct from MVC to enroll the resale week.

Oh maybe I get what you mean. Before 2010, there was no DP program so are you saying no one lost anything since there was nothing to enroll into prior to 2010? Then why did MVC bother to let weeks owners grandfather in at all if they lost nothing? They could use II before and they could use II after. No loss. It did create a 2 tiered system with weeks purchased prior to 2010 being much more valuable than weeks purchased after, at least in my opinion since I really value the DP program.

In a way, what you might be saying is no different than Disney. Prior to 2020, there were no new resorts. They got rid of being able to exchange into new resorts for resale buyers. DVC owners hated that but technically resale buyers lost nothing. If you sold a contract after 2020, the new buyers could still exchange into the same resorts they had access to prior to 2020, just no new resorts built after the 2020 cut off date. There were so many complaints that Disney was trying to devalue the resale market. Disney did grandfather in all existing owners. So no one lost anything when you look at it from this POV.

To me, MVC did devalue resale because when the DP program started, they did not let resale week owners elect DPs like they did for week owners prior to 2010. While technically no one lost anything since DPs did not exist prior to 2010, it was a loss of a potential benefit that never came to be.

People on this thread are complaining that Vistana is being devalued. But looking at it from the same POV, Vistana owners are losing nothing as long as they can still use SOs like before. To me, it is irrelevant what MVC is awarding for DPs for Vistana resorts if you are not electing DPs.

You can look at it both ways. I see it as a great advantage to weeks owners who owned prior to 2010.

Okay, so what am I missing here?

What you are missing is the time machine. Why would resale price be affected? If I had bought resale in 2009, I would have bought it to use or to trade in II. If I buy a resale week now, I am also buying to use or to trade in II. You can't say it was more valuable in 2009. In June 2010, weeks owner found out that they hit the jackpot, which did not affect the price in 2009. Unless, of course if we all had a time machine, we would go back to buy in 2009 and chase up the resale price.

MVC resale weeks that are now purchased work exactly the same way as in 2009. Unlike Disney, post 2010 resale weeks have access to all new MVC resorts in II. MVC allowed all existing owners to enroll in 2010 because they needed inventory. The situation is a little different for Vistana because the Flex points program has been running for a few years now. Between that and their continued push for owners to turn in their weeks into Flex points help build inventory which Marriott lacked when they introduced the DC program in 2010.

Similarly, in my view, Vistana weeks owners have lost nothing if their weeks are not enrolled.

 

[TravelTime]

That sounds like a good value, however you have 13 month reservations and Elite because you are already invested in the MVC DP system. You can look for availability in advance. And yet you said you still do not see sufficient value to buy in.

For someone who doesn't have 13 month nor elite, I question whether one would be able to find that kind of availability at these resorts before depositing and would not want to risk giving up OF Maui and not getting it. Not worth $20k - $30k buy in to get 12 month reservations, risk. It seems we could rent out the WKORVN unit and use the money to rent exactly where we want to go. Much safer and no additional DP MF obligation.

I am Presidential with MVC already. If I would have purchased what he proposed, I would move up to Chairman’s Club. Right now, the only extra benefit is 2 years banking for Chairman vs 1.5 years for what I have now.

At Select level (4000-6999 DPs) you can book one week at 13 months. With the conversion rate of WKOVRN OF 2BR, you would become Select. The banking is only 1 year at Select level vs 2 years with SOs so this might not be attractive to some Vistana people esp those who purchased just to use SOs. I think for people whose Vistana property is worth less than ours, and they do not already own any DPs, then perhaps electing DPs is not as attractive as continuing with VSE.

Frankly, I agree in the end that Vistana only owners should just stick with VSE. I am sure if I only owned Vistana, I would not even consider the MVC system. Like you said, you have a sure thing now so why give it up.

 

[DanCali]

At Select level (4000-6999 DPs) you can book one week at 13 months. With the conversion rate of WKOVRN OF 2BR, you would become Select.

I actually thought you get to Executive with the WKORVN OV/OF conversion rates?

 

[CPNY]

If you lock off at WKOVRN OF 2 BR, you would get a 1BR and studio. I would never use a studio even for just my husband and me. With SOs, at some nice locations, it is possible to get a 1 BR for 81,000 SOs but off season and at 8 months assuming stuff is left. Now we have 2 kids so we could only use a 2 BR.

With DPs, if it is true you can get 8300 DPs for a WKOVRN OF 2 BR, you could actually use 3900 DPs for a 2BR OF at the Ritz St Thomas so you could get 2 weeks there in June/July before hurricane season and still have some DPs left over. You can book this at 13 months, which I did last year and I have 15 nights there coming up this June. It was approx 10,000 DPs for 15 nights. This is not much more than 8300 that we would get for WKOVRN OF 2BR. This is just an example. There are other nice beachfront resorts that have a similar DP value for 2BR OF or island view. I tend to go for ocean view. Even at Ko Olina, you can get OV (they do not have OF category) which is spectacular for 4900-5800 DPs per week. So you could easily get 1.5 weeks for sure in 2 BR ocean view at many locations and 2+ weeks at some locations.

At least that studio gets a full fridge, a cooktop, and a washer dryer. Unlike studios “hotel rooms with microwaves” at “another brand’s” resorts.

 

[jabberwocky]

I actually thought you get to Executive with the WKORVN OV/OF conversion rates?

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If you own an EY week, yes, you’ll be Executive. For us lowly EOY people we have divide by 2.

 

[CPNY]

Not sure when or where this rumor started "The VSN-System could go away".
To the contrary, Denise's contact mentioned that "VSN-Members would continue to exchange as before if they chose to do so".
I saw a Training-Video that explicitly states that "Enrolled VSN-Owners will have an additional option each year to elect Marriott-DP".
However, "VSN-Owners could continue to transact business as usual if they so choose".

Effectively the VSN is not going away. Nothing changes if owners choose to not want to participate.

• This applies to both Enrolled & Non-Enrolled.
  • Enrolled owners would have one more option [DCP-System]
• This applies to both Direct & Resale contracts.
• This applies to both Mandatory [II & VSN] & Voluntary weeks [II].

Future: Anything can happen in the future. I don't think even Marriott knows what will happen to inventory & availability within the VSN as that depends on the value VSN-Owners find in the new DP.
Past is all I have as a reference point. Being a resale-owner [Pre-2010], I have seen good things [1-Fee-DCP, Free-II-Membership, Free-II-Exchanges, Unlimited-II-Changes] happen after the DCP-System.
Pre-2010 all I had was II and it worked well. Post-2010, I have continued to use II for exchanges into 2BR-Hawaii-Units [Westin-Maui/Princeville, Marriott-Lahaina/Oahu] using a Studio/1BR without even paying a Size-Upgrade fee. This year, for the first time in over a decade we chose to elect DCP-Points for my Deeded-Weeks because I have too many units deposited with II and like the DCP-Flexibility/Options/Choices [Free-Banking/Borrowing, 2+Years, Free-Changes/Cancel, Points-Discounts, Liberal-Election-Windows, II-Options].

Speculation: I think the worst thing Marriott could have done is the Soft-Launch which [unlike the "2010-Surprise" DCP-System with no notice] has caused speculation to run rampant. I dread waiting another 6-8 weeks and wonder how much yarn we will spin out of thin air. Having read every single post on this thread, I have seen ZERO new facts [from Marriott or Denise's contact], however, I have seen numerous new theories building on top of others. Using the 7-Whisper analogy, I can see myself causing unnecessary stress as the message gets diluted while we speculate the multiple permutations and "what ifs". Some of us speculate on a wish/hope more than a fact which is human nature. I think we need to take time to digest what we have and "wait-and-see" what happens as the magnitude of the impact of these changes will be as varied as the varied types of ownership's we all have.

I agree, especially on the wish/hope speculation. I wish and hope that my unenrolled mandatory resale weeks can have no fee internal interval exchanges and no banking fee. I’d be plenty satisfied with that without the ability to convert to DC points. Same way resale mandatory cannot convert to bonvoy or exchange SO for resort credits, I don’t see us being able to convert to DC. Bring on the Interval benefits!

 

[Red elephant]

Not sure when or where this rumor started "The VSN-System could go away".
To the contrary, Denise's contact mentioned that "VSN-Members would continue to exchange as before if they chose to do so".
I saw a Training-Video that explicitly states that "Enrolled VSN-Owners will have an additional option each year to elect Marriott-DP".
However, "VSN-Owners could continue to transact business as usual if they so choose".

Effectively the VSN is not going away. Nothing changes if owners choose to not want to participate.

• This applies to both Enrolled & Non-Enrolled.
  • Enrolled owners would have one more option [DCP-System]
• This applies to both Direct & Resale contracts.
• This applies to both Mandatory [II & VSN] & Voluntary weeks [II].

Future: Anything can happen in the future. I don't think even Marriott knows what will happen to inventory & availability within the VSN as that depends on the value VSN-Owners find in the new DP.
Past is all I have as a reference point. Being a resale-owner [Pre-2010], I have seen good things [1-Fee-DCP, Free-II-Membership, Free-II-Exchanges, Unlimited-II-Changes] happen after the DCP-System.
Pre-2010 all I had was II and it worked well. Post-2010, I have continued to use II for exchanges into 2BR-Hawaii-Units [Westin-Maui/Princeville, Marriott-Lahaina/Oahu] using a Studio/1BR without even paying a Size-Upgrade fee. This year, for the first time in over a decade we chose to elect DCP-Points for my Deeded-Weeks because I have too many units deposited with II and like the DCP-Flexibility/Options/Choices [Free-Banking/Borrowing, 2+Years, Free-Changes/Cancel, Points-Discounts, Liberal-Election-Windows, II-Options].

Speculation: I think the worst thing Marriott could have done is the Soft-Launch which [unlike the "2010-Surprise" DCP-System with no notice] has caused speculation to run rampant. I dread waiting another 6-8 weeks and wonder how much yarn we will spin out of thin air. Having read every single post on this thread, I have seen ZERO new facts [from Marriott or Denise's contact], however, I have seen numerous new theories building on top of others. Using the 7-Whisper analogy, I can see myself causing unnecessary stress as the message gets diluted while we speculate the multiple permutations and "what ifs". Some of us speculate on a wish/hope more than a fact which is human nature. I think we need to take time to digest what we have and "wait-and-see" what happens as the magnitude of the impact of these changes will be as varied as the varied types of ownership's we all have.

What we have been getting that’s new are the conversation points allocated for each week. That’s on purpose I think as Marriott wants Vistana owners to start thinking about converting before the hard launch and getting people to enroll their weeks.

 

[Ken555]

What we have been getting that’s new are the conversation points allocated for each week. That’s on purpose I think as Marriott wants Vistana owners to start thinking about converting before the hard launch and getting people to enroll their weeks.

Or…it’s simply another way to create an artificial urgency to upgrade weeks and generate sales.


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[Red elephant]

I agree, especially on the wish/hope speculation. I wish and hope that my unenrolled mandatory resale weeks can have no fee internal interval exchanges and no banking fee. I’d be plenty satisfied with that without the ability to convert to DC points. Same way resale mandatory cannot convert to bonvoy or exchange SO for resort credits, I don’t see us being able to convert to DC. Bring on the Interval benefits!

This is probably the one benefit the one fee for all. As I believe you will need to enroll your weeks in order to play in the sandbox.
I wonder if we as Vistana owners will have same priority on interval since we have same fees?

 

[Ken555]

At least that studio gets a full fridge, a cooktop, and a washer dryer. Unlike studios “hotel rooms with microwaves” at “another brand’s” resorts.

Exactly. The Westin studios (in Hawaii and elsewhere) are small but amenity rich. I have no difficulty spending a week or more in one…but I wouldn’t dream of it in a hotel room.


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[Red elephant]

Or…it’s simply another way to create an artificial urgency to upgrade weeks and generate sales.


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For some reason I don’t think so. But we shall see as it’s not too long away.

 

[Red elephant]

Exactly. The Westin studios (in Hawaii and elsewhere) are small but amenity rich. I have no difficulty spending a week or more in one…but I wouldn’t dream of it in a hotel room.


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I would not either. With my 2 bd in Nanea home options I spent two weeks in a 1 bedroom in Maui.

 

[Ken555]

For some reason I don’t think so. But we shall see as it’s not too long away.

Oh, that was partly sarcasm… but really, the timeshare industry knows exactly how to generate enthusiasm and create artificial urgency with sales, limited time deals, etc. Don’t ignore that without published details it’s more than likely they are having higher numbers of owners updates than normal…and correspondingly higher close rates.


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[CalGalTraveler]

If you own an EY week, yes, you’ll be Executive. For us lowly EOY people we have divide by 2.

Ugh! So only 12 month reservations and not enough points to book a corner of a janitors closet at an MVC resort plus $20k - $30k DPs + MF

 

[jabberwocky]

Ugh! So only 12 month reservations and not enough points to book a corner of a janitors closet at an MVC resort plus $20k - $30k DPs + MF

Yes. If that was your only holding. I’m not sure what percentage of WKORV-N OF are EOY, but based on the number of listing a I see on Redweek and elsewhere it seems to be pretty high (south seems to have mainly annual OF - but I’ve been hunting for an EOY one there.)

In a way I’m lucky. Even if they don’t count our mandatory WKORVN deed towards elite status, we still have enough with our other developer/retroed deeds for Executive status. If for some reason we get lucky and they do enroll mandatory deeds, then we would be Presidential.

At any rate, I won’t be paying $10-30k just to possibly enroll that single week. I’d rather buy another mandatory deed or a bunch of VAC stock. Both will likely not lose as much value as a developer purchase.

 

[remowidget]

This is probably the one benefit the one fee for all. As I believe you will need to enroll your weeks in order to play in the sandbox.
I wonder if we as Vistana owners will have same priority on interval since we have same fees?

We already have the same priority in interval.

I keep forgetting this, but another advantage of resale mandatory is you are in VSN, so you get a VSN Interval account.

Voluntary resale owners must purchase their own separate interval account. I don't know if they get priority in interval trades. Although you can choose to not pay for an account, where as you must pay for one if you own retail or mandatory resale.

If you own retail or mandatory as well as voluntary, you would need two interval accounts to trade from both.

 

[Mroze]

What we have been getting that’s new are the conversation points allocated for each week. That’s on purpose I think as Marriott wants Vistana owners to start thinking about converting before the hard launch and getting people to enroll their weeks.

Agree. The only delta-info [since the Soft-Launch] has been the Points-Charts.

Implementation/Execution
However, the Points-Charts are the minutia details [most likely locked-#'s] depicting the #-Points needed to book a week.
What's more relevant is the #-Points owners will accrue for their weeks owned, which will likely be 10%-20% below the average of those charts.

Fundamentals
What's even more relevant is the foundation of the new integration program.
These would be the guiding policies and principles like:

• What are the Eligibility-Rules?
  • Would Direct-Purchases be automatically Enrolled? If yes, will there be a fee?
  • Would Mandatory-Resale weeks be treated like Direct-Purchase weeks?
    • Would Mandatory-Resale be asked to Retro to Enroll?
  • Would Voluntary-Resale be permitted to participate by paying a fee?
    • Would Voluntary-Resale be asked to Retro to Enroll?
• Will there be an Enrollment-Fee? If yes, is it $100's or $1000's?
• What happens for people with Hybrid-Accounts [Direct, Resale-Voluntary, Resale-Mandatory]?
• VSN-Owners would be able to continue to use the VSN as before [Including exchange via II].
  • Would Hybrid VSN-Owners who Enroll have Multiple II-Accounts? 1 WITH DCP-Benefits + 1-WITHOUT?

There are probably many more policy details that have not been answered by the Soft-Launch which is causing uncertainty leading to speculation and thus stress.

 

[TravelTime]

I actually thought you get to Executive with the WKORVN OV/OF conversion rates?

View attachment 52757

I was talking about the EOY since she and I both have that one and not the annual. So it’s half every year.

 

[Red elephant]

Agree. The only delta-info [since the Soft-Launch] has been the Points-Charts.

Implementation/Execution
However, the Points-Charts are the minutia details [most likely locked-#'s] depicting the #-Points needed to book a week.
What's more relevant is the #-Points owners will accrue for their weeks owned, which will likely be 10%-20% below the average of those charts.

Fundamentals
What's even more relevant is the foundation of the new integration program.
These would be the guiding policies and principles like:

• What are the Eligibility-Rules?
  • Would Direct-Purchases be automatically Enrolled? If yes, will there be a fee?
  • Would Mandatory-Resale weeks be treated like Direct-Purchase weeks?
    • Would Mandatory-Resale be asked to Retro to Enroll?
  • Would Voluntary-Resale be permitted to participate by paying a fee?
    • Would Voluntary-Resale be asked to Retro to Enroll?
• Will there be an Enrollment-Fee? If yes, is it $100's or $1000's?
• What happens for people with Hybrid-Accounts [Direct, Resale-Voluntary, Resale-Mandatory]?
• VSN-Owners would be able to continue to use the VSN as before [Including exchange via II].
  • Would Hybrid VSN-Owners who Enroll have Multiple II-Accounts? 1 WITH DCP-Benefits + 1-WITHOUT?

There are probably many more policy details that have not been answered by the Soft-Launch which is causing uncertainty leading to speculation and thus stress.

From what I was told only qualified weeks/points will be allowed to participate with no added cost. That’s those that can convert to bonvoy .
Anyone else will need to qualify their ownership to participate period . No other enrollment fees.
Vistana owners will be Just like the owners on Marriott side with unqualified and qualified products but only qualified product owners participate in DC.
It’s just that we have VSN, interval and now DC choices and Marriott has interval and DC.

 

[Sicnarf]

So, will Vistana.com no longer exists when full integration finally happens? Will ALL MVC owners be using one system?

 

[kozykritter]

I agree, especially on the wish/hope speculation. I wish and hope that my unenrolled mandatory resale weeks can have no fee internal interval exchanges and no banking fee. I’d be plenty satisfied with that without the ability to convert to DC points. Same way resale mandatory cannot convert to bonvoy or exchange SO for resort credits, I don’t see us being able to convert to DC. Bring on the Interval benefits!

One thing that hasn't been made clear in all the soft launch "info" shared so far is what constitutes a VSN internal II exchange as far as being fee free after the VSN dues are raised to MVC levels.

Right now VSN members pay $164 for Vistana to Vistana and Vistana to MVC trades in II. Marriott members pay no fee for MVC to MVC trades and the same $164 for MVC to Vistana trades. It is very possible that only the Vistana to Vistana II trades will be included in the VSN dues for free, similar to the MVC model. Of course they may also eliminate the $164 trade fee between Vistana and MVC properties for both systems as well. Murky, murky stuff!

 

[CalGalTraveler]

From what I was told only qualified weeks/points will be allowed to participate with no added cost. That’s those that can convert to bonvoy .
Anyone else will need to qualify their ownership to participate period . No other enrollment fees.
Vistana owners will be Just like the owners on Marriott side with unqualified and qualified products but only qualified product owners participate in DC.
It’s just that we have VSN, interval and now DC choices and Marriott has interval and DC.

That may convince some WKORV owners to enroll. Some long time owners may deposit, especially those that are aging and may want an MVC closer to home.

It is nice MVC is recognizing those that paid retail in the past. We are resale so will enjoy what we have and use SOs when needed. We've already saved thousands over retail.