This is exactly what you would expect them to tell an owner when trying to sell them more ownership. I'm going to choose to believe Denise's source instead who said Vistana elite statuses are mapped to corresponding MVC statuses regardless of DC conversion levels, just 'cause I want it to be true
Good to know. This wasn’t our net price, because we also traded in a unit that I got for free to begin with, so I think the out the door price was really $14,000 if memory serves.
Is the 3rd line, SVV, 2BR/LO in High Season? I found the reference of High Season in your earlier post and saw that it was 81K SO. But this new post said 2BR.
Yes 3rd line is an SVV 81,000 L/O = Gold Plus on SVN chart
Are you saying SVV Gold Plus (normally worth 81,000) will be worth 2,950 DPs?
So I just finished an owner update at WDW. My strategy today was to go in playing dumb, I said I wasn't looking to buy anything but just wanted to learn about the new changes and how they would affect me.
My salesperson said I should have been contacted previously and gotten a Zoom presentation to share all the details with me and offer me a chance to enroll in the new program. He was quite surprised when I told him I had not been contacted. So then he went away to get the offers I apparently should have received.
His whole pitch was really oriented around getting me to turn my existing 81,000 EOY Westin Flex into EY (either keeping 81,000 EY or another option to take 69,000 EY) which is what would get me into the Marriott program and give me access to those resorts. He was clear that I needed to buy something more if I wanted to have access to the Marriott properties, but that if I upgraded my Flex that would give me the trading power of my entire portfolio on the Marriott side.
He emphasized several times that the Marriott program was much more generous and that 81,000 Westin Flex would get me two weeks in almost any of the resorts, including Maui and here in Palm Desert, so it would be very advantageous for me to buy more and enroll in the Marriott program because I'd get much more usage time in the Marriott program. And so many owners are opting for the new program that there's just not going to be much inventory left in the VSN.
I could go on and on, but basically I think it was all lies. From what I think I know, I will be able to elect into the DP program year-by-year and I don't need to purchase anything to do so. He also told me that I'd be Chairman's Club level in the Marriott program, which would allow me to book everything at 13 months which only 30% of their owners can do, so I'd have easy availability everywhere since I would have earlier access than 70% of owners.
It was all a big and complicated combination of half-truths and outright lies from both programs, and I was disappointed that I didn't really learn anything useful. I was not provided any information on what my existing ownership would be worth in the DP program (because I apparently won't have access to that program unless I buy more!)
Oh, he also said that they were about two weeks away from switching to only selling Marriott DP points, and that they were about twice as expensive for the same usage, with higher MFs. So buy now!
I was hoping to enhance my understanding but I don't think I was told anything of value. After an hour he sent me out to the lobby to get my incentive and I was on my way.
Excellent summary. Yes, that's basically what he said. A quote: "they are giving you all kinds of new travel options, so of course they ask for a little bit in return."
I am certainly not surprised. Several times we have been told the "you should have been contacted and offered X" already. I am not sure why they think that is some type of legitimate sales tactic. Perhaps that since they are still offering whatever it was that you should have been offered already but weren't is more likely to make you buy?So I just finished an owner update at WDW. My strategy today was to go in playing dumb, I said I wasn't looking to buy anything but just wanted to learn about the new changes and how they would affect me.
My salesperson said I should have been contacted previously and gotten a Zoom presentation to share all the details with me and offer me a chance to enroll in the new program. He was quite surprised when I told him I had not been contacted. So then he went away to get the offers I apparently should have received.
His whole pitch was really oriented around getting me to turn my existing 81,000 EOY Westin Flex into EY (either keeping 81,000 EY or another option to take 69,000 EY) which is what would get me into the Marriott program and give me access to those resorts. He was clear that I needed to buy something more if I wanted to have access to the Marriott properties, but that if I upgraded my Flex that would give me the trading power of my entire portfolio on the Marriott side.
He emphasized several times that the Marriott program was much more generous and that 81,000 Westin Flex would get me two weeks in almost any of the resorts, including Maui and here in Palm Desert, so it would be very advantageous for me to buy more and enroll in the Marriott program because I'd get much more usage time in the Marriott program. And so many owners are opting for the new program that there's just not going to be much inventory left in the VSN.
I could go on and on, but basically I think it was all lies. From what I think I know, I will be able to elect into the DP program year-by-year and I don't need to purchase anything to do so. He also told me that I'd be Chairman's Club level in the Marriott program, which would allow me to book everything at 13 months which only 30% of their owners can do, so I'd have easy availability everywhere since I would have earlier access than 70% of owners.
It was all a big and complicated combination of half-truths and outright lies from both programs, and I was disappointed that I didn't really learn anything useful. I was not provided any information on what my existing ownership would be worth in the DP program (because I apparently won't have access to that program unless I buy more!)
Oh, he also said that they were about two weeks away from switching to only selling Marriott DP points, and that they were about twice as expensive for the same usage, with higher MFs. So buy now!
I was hoping to enhance my understanding but I don't think I was told anything of value. After an hour he sent me out to the lobby to get my incentive and I was on my way.
He was trying to make it sound like they had these special offers that they were holding for me, lol. Interestingly enough, the special offers were basically exactly the same as the offers I got at my last owner update last Fall.
So I just finished an owner update at WDW. My strategy today was to go in playing dumb, I said I wasn't looking to buy anything but just wanted to learn about the new changes and how they would affect me.
My salesperson said I should have been contacted previously and gotten a Zoom presentation to share all the details with me and offer me a chance to enroll in the new program. He was quite surprised when I told him I had not been contacted. So then he went away to get the offers I apparently should have received.
His whole pitch was really oriented around getting me to turn my existing 81,000 EOY Westin Flex into EY (either keeping 81,000 EY or another option to take 69,000 EY) which is what would get me into the Marriott program and give me access to those resorts. He was clear that I needed to buy something more if I wanted to have access to the Marriott properties, but that if I upgraded my Flex that would give me the trading power of my entire portfolio on the Marriott side.
He emphasized several times that the Marriott program was much more generous and that 81,000 Westin Flex would get me two weeks in almost any of the resorts, including Maui and here in Palm Desert, so it would be very advantageous for me to buy more and enroll in the Marriott program because I'd get much more usage time in the Marriott program. And so many owners are opting for the new program that there's just not going to be much inventory left in the VSN.
I could go on and on, but basically I think it was all lies. From what I think I know, I will be able to elect into the DP program year-by-year and I don't need to purchase anything to do so. He also told me that I'd be Chairman's Club level in the Marriott program, which would allow me to book everything at 13 months which only 30% of their owners can do, so I'd have easy availability everywhere since I would have earlier access than 70% of owners.
It was all a big and complicated combination of half-truths and outright lies from both programs, and I was disappointed that I didn't really learn anything useful. I was not provided any information on what my existing ownership would be worth in the DP program (because I apparently won't have access to that program unless I buy more!)
Oh, he also said that they were about two weeks away from switching to only selling Marriott DP points, and that they were about twice as expensive for the same usage, with higher MFs. So buy now!
I was hoping to enhance my understanding but I don't think I was told anything of value. After an hour he sent me out to the lobby to get my incentive and I was on my way.
SVV 2BR LO Gold Plus season is worth 2575 DP per earlier post on page 28.
That seems somewhat in line with Marriott's Grande Vista. It gets 2,175 but is only a 1BR and a studio when locked off. The units at Grande Vista are nicer, but the ones at SVV are more like two 1BR units.
I own a SVR 2Br LO (Lakes) which floats 1 to 52, with a fixed week which is in the high season. I get 95,700 SOs which is the same as the weeks which float 1-52 and the fixed week being in the prime season. Time will tell.
Oh, adding another tidbit from today's owner update, he told me that my 81,000 Westin Flex EOY SOs (or maybe this was the 69,000 EY he was trying to get me to upgrade to) would get me 2,422 DPs, and that would get me two weeks (or nearly two weeks) at most of the Marriott resorts. Of course, those 81,000 SOs will get me two weeks (or nearly two weeks) at many of the Vistana resorts too, if I can find availability at 8 months, so I didn’t really see this is a great improvement. He was trying to sell me on how wonderful the MVC properties are, but I think they’re pretty much all inferior to the Westin-branded properties.
I like coming to WDW in late October; it isn’t busy and the weather is usually great. I have always been easily able to book with SOs at 8 months, and I can get 13 nights in the *premium* 1 BR side (the large side of the lockoff, not the small side) for 81,000 points. I wouldn’t be able to do that well in, say, January… but I never come at that time.
The same holds true for Gold Plus at Lagunamar. We used our 81K SVV StarOptions to spend 13 nights in a 1BR at Lagunamar in May. Great use of points. Won't ever be able to get the same value using DC points.